Treaty Oak Revival

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So you would be running a 4-hour podcast or Yeah, 4 hours is good. You may get my whole life story in 4 hours. Well, that wouldn't be the worst thing in the world. Right.

Lawton, Oklahoma, but it didn't start in Oklahoma. No, I actually live in Duncan, Oklahoma. So, I live which is right like 30 minutes away from Lawton. It's just Lawton's a bigger area, so I always tell people that as a reference point.

And if they don't know where that is, I say I live about an hour and a half south of Oklahoma City. Yeah. But it's my bunch of farmland, right? Oh, yeah, all farmland.

It's so much cheaper, too, than Texas. It's the cheapest. But it's so nice. It is.

Oh, yeah, it's all nice. Like down there like and you got to you got to understand I'm coming from Odessa, Texas. So, going from the desert to Oklahoma where there's seasons and the leaves change, there's trees, there's actual trees and green grass and stuff. It's cool.

Yeah, no dust. There's no I met my wife in Odessa. Um she's actually my lead guitar player's cousin. And he kind of introduced me to her, but didn't expect me to do anything with her.

But then I just wound up You consummated that early. Yeah, definitely. Yeah. He expected you not to do anything.

Oh, yeah, he begged me not to do it. Ironically, you just went ahead and proposed. Oh, yeah, right there. No time for a foolery, you just went right for it.

Yeah, I met her at a bar kind of near where we used to go hang out and rehearse. And uh I was driving home and my lead guitar player, Jeremiah, he called me and he was like, "Hey, I need you to come by this bar and meet my cousin, but you can't like you can't fall in love with her or anything." That was When was this? Like roughly how long ago?

Like 3 years ago, man. Uh yeah, almost 3 years ago. So, that would have been like right on the front end of y'all starting to catch some real steam, right? Right, yeah.

Yeah. Or would that would have been before? Before. Yeah, when uh when I met her and when I eventually just moved down there and started living with her because I uh when I started going up there to visit her, I looked around and I was like, this is the this is the place to be.

I'd rather I'd much rather be here and I'm not going to convince her to move to Midland, Odessa, you know, you can it's hard to convince anybody to do that. But uh yeah. So, so you I when I moved up there, I'm like, I'm just I'm just going to stay here. So, I've been there ever since.

Well, so is y'all meet at a show? No, we met at that bar. That uh yeah, he called me up and he was like, "Hey, come to this bar. I want you to meet my cousin, but like don't try to try anything with her."

I said, "Okay." So, I went up there and I started being a kind of like an Can I cuss on here? Yeah, yeah, man, you just be yourself, yeah. Yeah, I just uh I was kind of being an [expletive] to her because I didn't want He is my friend and I didn't want to right off the bat just try to hit it off with her, but Sure.

Shh, I feel like me being an [expletive] maybe made her a little bit more interested or something like that. the opposite direction. Right. He's like, "Dude, I just said don't try anything with her.

I didn't say be an asshole." Right, so I didn't and still wound up working out. Yeah. So, you went with the I heard is it called negging?

You got to be careful with that word, too. Yeah, you really do. Being negative. Yeah.

Right? It's like elementary school where you make fun of them and they kind of like you a little bit more. Yeah, you just talk [expletive] So, it worked? It worked.

Yeah, that night well, I went home from the bar. I said you know, I hugged her and said goodbye and said bye to everybody and went home. And as soon as I got home, she added me on Facebook. And so I messaged her on Facebook.

I was like, "What's up?" Whoa. And uh yeah, basically the conversation kept going. I was like, "When am I going to get to see you again?"

She said, "Well, I'm going to leave I'm leaving for Oklahoma tomorrow." I said, "Oklahoma?" She's like, "Yeah, I live there." I was like, "Fuck, man."

That's like 6 hours away. And she was like, "Well, you want to How much you like me?" So, I just I the first time I went I think it was like 2:00 in the morning and I just said, "Fuck it." And I drove there and stayed there for a couple days.

All off Facebook, huh? Yeah, kind of. Kind of. Yeah.

Y'all exchange pictures on Facebook? I don't think I should ask that. No, not yet. I we talked on Facebook long enough to where I finally got her phone number and I stopped I don't like messaging on social media that much.

I do it when I'm bored, but Well, as you said, it's your guitar player's cousin. Yes. So, what did he say? Uh we kind of kept it hidden from him for a while.

Scandalous. Yeah, a little bit. Still he still doesn't know? No, he does.

100% know. Yeah. 100%. He's going to find out when he watches this.

He's definitely found out already. He knew he knew probably the second or third week that we were dating that he was he's like, "Okay." I mean, he's been at my wedding when I got married to her, so he obviously knows. Yeah, he obviously knows now.

She's here today, actually. Really? Mhm. Oh, that's exciting.

Yeah, cuz that's only we're not that far from uh Duncan. Nope. 2 hours away, man. Oh, really?

So, it's about a short drive. Yeah, totally. So, you live there now. Mhm, yes, sir.

Yeah, what's the biggest difference between there and Were you raised in Odessa? I was born in uh a city called Harlingen, Texas. Yeah, dude, down by the border. RGV, yeah, the Rio Grande Valley.

Well, you talk about a bunch of farmers. Yeah, there's a lot of farming down there. It's great farmland. Mhm.

At least I mean, I think I don't know. Yeah, my dad was in the new My dad is in the newspaper business. So, growing up from the time I was 5 years old, we were kind of moving all over the place. So, my parents are from San Antonio, but they had me in Harlingen and my dad was a publisher at the paper in Harlingen.

And then he got reassigned to Porterville, California. Which that's kind of by Bakersfield, more northern California. So, I've been to like you I used to go we used to go vacation in Yosemite a bunch like we'd rent a cabin and go camping out there and uh lived there for a couple years and then after that we moved to Orange County, California, so southern California. And he was working in LA.

How old were you about like around that time? Seven or eight, I think. So, you did a bunch of moving before you were Yeah, yeah, it was a lot of uh leaving friends and making new friends. And then when my dad got the call to go be a publisher at a newspaper in Texas, he said, "Awesome.

I'm I want it. I want to move all my friends back to I want to move my family back to Texas and my son like I want my son to grow up somewhere and actually have a life instead of just having them keep moving around." Sure. Um so, And that was straight to Harlingen?

It was it was Harlingen, Porterville, Orange County, then Odessa. Oh, then to Odessa. Then Midland, Odessa, yes, sir. So, I've lived in Midland, Odessa for probably 20 years.

So, I went to I went to fourth grade all the way through high school, end of high school. Yeah, so most of your memories from that's probably pretty much what all you've ever known. Right, I remember Harlingen. I definitely remember a lot of stuff from my time in California.

Um Yeah. But really Odessa is the longest place I've ever lived somewhere. And he was still in the newspaper business there. Yes, yeah, he still is to this day.

He's the publisher of the Odessa American. Really? Mhm. Hey, you play your cards right.

Yeah, the funny thing about it is, you know, he basically runs the newspaper. I was never allowed to be in the newspaper as a kid. The irony. Because he's my dad.

I don't know if that's like a nepotism thing or what, but Well, according to him you weren't allowed into it or were the owners of the first time I was ever in the Odessa American was when my band played the Grand Ole Opry. Whoa. And they were like, "All right, we got to let him in now." Yeah, finally.

Yeah, so. Well, that actually kind of is cooler. I guess. Cuz it seems like Odessa, Midland is sort of a place that's like in ways like synonymous with nepotism, right?

From oil and gas. yeah. Oh, yeah. So, that's but yeah, sure, but it's kind of cool that you didn't, you know, You had to make the Opry to make it in the Right.

Yeah, and I don't know. I don't know. I never I never wanted any special treatment doing anything that I've ever done in life and that's just the way I've been, but he never Yeah, he never did it. Never put me in the paper.

Was mom around? Yeah, my mom uh she's school teacher. She's kind of always been a school teacher. Um she was even at one point she was my teacher at one of the schools that we that I went to, but yeah, she now she uh she's a uh she deals with kids with s- uh What do you call it?

Yeah. I don't I don't want to say it the wrong way. Sure. I uh like kids with dyslexia.

Oh, okay. Yeah, reading disability learning disabilities. Okay. That's the correct term.

So, she does that now She's done that for a long time. Uh she's done it for a very long time. Dang, so she's probably just super patient and just a sweetheart. No.

Oh, really? She may be patient, but um if you deal with kids that long, yeah. You can be a sweetheart, but she also learns how knows how to flip the switch if she Yeah, you can be two things at the same time. Correct.

I'm walking proof of that. Right, you know, I'm a mess, but I can be pretty cool, I think. Yeah. I know you're a farrier.

Is that what it's called? Uh fortunately I don't have to anymore. Okay, good. Which is awesome.

Yeah. Well, if you were, my wife's looking for a farrier. She's got She's got horses, yeah. Well, shoot.

I'll do her horses. That'd be sick. I was like, "Hey, Jared does them." I was like, "Maybe we can maybe do this."

like what does she do? Does she uh She um right now well, she used to she used to work for the post office um in Duncan Marlow area. And then she got let go from there and now she's like grooming dogs on the side and she runs a wedding venue. That's awesome.

My wife's a She hustles, man. It's she does it all most of the time. Like she buys and sells stuff, horses animals, all sorts of stuff. I don't I don't know.

It's hard to say what she actually does half the time. She's just doing so much. And she's at home all the time taking care of my kid. So.

Yeah. Our kid. Yeah, well so it is y'alls or It is ours, yeah. Yeah, okay.

Don't let that be known. It is my kid. or you just found it somewhere? Yeah, we found him.

Yeah, we found him. Towing around in Oklahoma. She bought him, too. That's not funny.

Yeah, she probably did. So, what kind of horses does she have? Are they kind of like trail horses or She's just got a paint horse. We got a paint horse and she's got a mini a miniature pony.

Oh, gosh. Yeah. His name's Sancho. He's kind of Those are the worst ones.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. He's got the little man syndrome and everything. Yeah.

It's funny like if anything comes in contact with him that's shorter than him, he'll chase after it. But like me, I'm good cuz I'm taller than him. But my wife, she's kind of a little short girl. So, sometimes So, he chases her?

Sometimes he gets a little nippy with her. The worst I've ever gotten hurt is from uh or I guess they were little mini donkeys. Oh, really? Itty-bitty little things.

And one kicked me in the face. man. Well, you have cuz you have to get on your hands and knees to trim them. Yeah.

So, it's like good luck. It just kicked me in the face and like knocked me out. Yeah, we had a guy come do the uh the miniature horse's hooves and it was pretty fun to watch. Did you So, you didn't help him?

No, I did. Yeah, I had the whole We had to hold that horse down, dude. Like You did? Oh, yeah.

But you had to lay him down? No, we didn't have to lay him down, but I had to I had to sit there and hold him Yeah. so he wouldn't run away. So, you got the whole thing It reminds me of my wife.

She's here tonight, too. Oh, really? Yeah, they need to meet cuz like my wife's the same way. Just What does she do?

Yeah, I mean she's a horse trainer. Oh, really? Yeah. She trains horses, but she's just a hustler.

Like I had never I've been around that like in elements in my life, but I'd never really been around somebody quite like You know, it would just be like she just shows up with a trailer or something else and flips it and she's just hustling. Right, that's what I'm saying like when you ask what my wife does like I really don't know. Like it's a different thing every day, I feel like. She's either buying or selling or running that venue or cutting dog's hair.

Yeah. How So, had you dated many people before her? Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Not this long, but yeah. So, how does she deal with a lot of the traveling just being sep gone and It was a lot. Uh it was it took a long time for her to get used to that kind of thing.

It always does. Like it's even I mean it's weird for me. Like when I first started going out, I was like, "Man, this is what we do for work now? We just go out on the road all the time and when we're home, we're home and it took her a while to also I think view it as less of I'm going out there and having fun with my friends and doing and having a good time.

When really I see it to this day as a job. And she's gone to enough shows now to where she knows like uh when he's going out there, he's there to work. And he's focused. Which that's not to mean we don't have fun, you know, but Yeah, it is tough at times where it is a job and you're serious about it.

It's not all glitz and glam. There's not a ton of it. And there's little struggles and stuff and you have to work hard at it, but at the same time there's no reason to not appreciate how fun it really is. Right.

I think that you know, and the other thing that's hard for people to understand especially too is when you get home like they immediately are like, "Okay, let's go do all this stuff." And like let's go run these errands. Let's go you know, do this, that, and the other. And when I get home from like a weekend or a week long on the road I'm like, "Dude, I want to sleep for 4 days.

Like I don't want to do any of the things you're thinking about." But I have to. Like at the end of the day when I get home, I'm like "All right. I'll go to bed early, but I need to and try to catch up on sleep, but I need to go you know, hang out with the family while I can cuz you know, the next You only get so much time with your family before you got to go back and do the road thing."

And you seem like a pretty social person. Like you like hanging and Oh, yeah. Yeah, and I my wife is kind of in between. Like she's a homebody, but I mean she can get out and have fun, but yeah, I think too The weird The weird thing is I felt like it was harder for her to get used to it at first.

And I thought it was going to be dang near impossible when we had our kid. But I felt like when we had our kid, I felt like it almost got easier because it gave her something to do and it you know, sh- she had uh something that relied on her when I wasn't there, but it there were times, too, when it could be kind of hard. Yeah, or especially with the perception that you're just out here having the time of your life and then Right. I mean make no mistake, it's probably more fun to be out here doing this than to like deal with a screaming child.

Right. So, I could understand. I don't know. I deal with some screaming children sometimes in my band.

Yeah, you have you have a band, for sure. No, you're like 40% kidding. Yeah, 40%. But yeah, I don't I don't know.

Like that question it just took her a while, but after a while you either get used to it or you don't get used to it. And she's stuck around this long, so I figure she's pretty much gotten used to it. There's still some times where that it gets hard, but you know, we power through them. I keep in touch with her all the time and uh just try to get it in where you can, you know.

Yeah. Like how was your transition into I mean, I'll call it stardom. It exploded. Yeah.

It was It was a lot. It still is a lot. Like I feel like every day it's I wake up and there's some other crazy thing that is going on. And I've just kind of told myself to just keep the head down and keep going.

Obviously be thankful and grateful that these things are happening to me and that and us, you know. It's not just me. It's everybody. This whole thing is has changed everybody in our crews' lives, you know.

We would have never thought I would have never thought if you would have told me you know, 5 years ago that any of this would have happened, I would have told you were high or crazy. Um Why? Just being from where we're from like especially in like Odessa Midland where there's not a huge music scene and very few people have ever came out of there, I feel like, and actually done what we've done. So, the fact that you know, we even got to play outside of Texas was a was a huge deal for us.

Like that was blew my mind that we were going to play anywhere else besides outside of, you know, rural West Texas. But yeah, it's weird. Um and it gets a little weirder every day. So, but I just I just take it as it comes and keep on we keep on going.

Thankfully I have my band, too. They're all going through it with me, so I'm not going it alone, you know. So, they're always there to we're always there to support each other whenever stuff may get a little bit too overwhelming or anything. Yeah, what was the original sort of nucleus of why this all started?

Did y'all just start jamming and writing songs and Mhm. Yeah, so it all started with a the band that I joined cuz it was a band before I joined and they were like a cover band and they played, you know, classic rock and 90s 2000s music. And they would just go and practice in the back of this vacuum shop in Odessa, Texas. There was this vacuum shop in this strip mall and my best friend's uncle owned it.

And uh so that band was practicing there and one day their lead singer left and the owner, my buddy's uncle, called me and said, "Hey, man. Uh there's a band that practices in my shop uh on Mondays and they need a singer. So, if would you that be something you were interested in?" were just jamming.

Yeah, they were just jamming, man. And they would play they would play things here and there, but that's how it was like the shop where the vacuum shop or the shopping center where the vacuum shop was five stores down from a liquor store. So, every day you get there, go to the liquor store, buy your beer and your liquor or whatever. Then you go over to the shop, everybody plug in, and we just start jamming, drinking, and having a good time.

Was that just like cover songs? Yeah, covers. And then but when I joined uh you know, I was I basically tried out. So, I went there and they had me play a few of the songs, the cover songs that they were playing and I'm not the best guitar player and I'm not a enormous classic rock fan, either.

So, I mean, I have But the songs they were telling me to play, I was like, "Man, I have I don't really have a lot of experience with those songs." So, I just kind of started playing some of my music. Like I told him, I said, "Hey, have y'all ever tried writing and playing original music?" And they said, "Yeah, but the last guy, it just kind of wasn't working out very well."

So, I said, "Well, I got I got like four or five songs that I've written that I think are probably pretty good." And I played it for them and they're like, "Hell yeah." They're like, "Hell yeah, man, this is good. Uh let's try to put something to it."

And that's kind of how it started. And then uh How long do you think you were jamming with them? A year, a couple years? Just doing that type of setup?

Just that jamming type thing? Probably a year. Oh, wow. A year and then um my friend's uncle, the guy who owned it, he died.

Like really suddenly. And when he died the family you know, had to deal with all of his assets, which the store was one of them. And they let us know, they're like, "Hey, we're closing like we're selling that shop. So, y'all need to come and get all y'all's stuff and move it out."

And when that happened, I was like, "Well, [expletive] We're not like where are we going to play? Where are we going to practice?" That was like our one spot where we could go and let loose and work on stuff or just jam and drink and have a good time. And it was to the point at that point where that was the most fun I was having all week, you know?

That's the only thing I looked forward to at the end of the at the start of every week was I get to go to that shop and I get to play music with my friends and I get to drink and have a good time. And you doing for work at that time? I was working for a natural gas heavy industrial EPC company. So, you were just like I was I was working in like the worst places imaginable, like Pecos, Texas, Balmorhea, Texas, uh Greeley, Colorado, uh Carlsbad, Jal, Orla, New Mexico, Texas, wherever.

It was building gas plants. That's what we did. We build these huge cryogenic gas processing plants and each of them would take you know, anywhere from 8 months to a year and a half, depending on how big they were. So, I was always either living in a camper out there and I would come into town on certain days if I needed to, like come into Midland-Odessa from Pecos or Balmorhea or wherever.

And I would just you know, jam with them. Is that the number one thing you would look forward to? Oh, yeah, because everything else was I was walking around in 112° heat or you know, 20° cold. So awesome, dude.

Just in the middle of nowhere watching people build [expletive] and trying to get it done on time. Yeah, cuz like I've been going out to Nashville for the last couple years. Like probably every like few months I'll go out there and I've like started writing with some people. Mhm.

Like most of the people I've gotten linked up with are all pretty cool cats and stuff, but when you're just out at the bars and you're hanging out with like a lot of different people from a lot of different walks of life and you're around the whole showbiz world. Yeah. And uh it's been interesting how you can feel that people are trying like so desperately to find like who they are as an artist, finding what to write about and like even just like melodies and stuff. I just think stuff comes through if you're living a real life and you're doing something authentic.

You don't necessarily have to be some like degenerate loser to be able to write good music. I've never really bought into that. No, not at all. But it helps.

Like it's something to write about, I guess, but Anyways. it's A lot of it's just creativity. I think it's just doing something. Yeah.

Just do some [expletive] Getting out there and living life. 100%. That's pretty much If you're like everyday your existence is just riding a scooter to your cubicle in Nashville to try to write songs about the common working man. Right.

Probably not going to happen. And I well and I think too like some of the best songs are the ones you don't plan on writing that day, you know? Or you don't plan on like sitting down. Like a lot of them to me just kind of come.

The best ones just kind of come in my head. Do you Yeah, sorry. I may sound a little weird. Do you normally do you normally write with the guitar or do you write in your head with just melodies?

I write in my head with melodies most of the time. Something will just come to my to my mind and then I'll just run somewhere and record it in my notes or write it down or whatever. Is that something you had to learn how to do or did you just naturally I don't know. I guess you could say I naturally did it, but I've always just heard the music in my head with the lyrics.

So, that's the cool part about my band is I'll write the song and I'll hear the melody and I can I can play the melody on the guitar, too. But I also hear like their parts sometimes in my head or I hear like a riff that I want them to play. And I somehow communicate that to them. I'm not good with I'm like guitar, I'm all self-taught.

I play by ear. I mean, obviously now I know chords and stuff, but back then I didn't I just didn't know what I was doing. I just played. So, when I was trying to make my originals into a full band songs with these guys, I basically on some parts I'd be like, "It sounds like na."

And they'd be like, "Like this?" and play it. And I'd be like, "Yeah. That's how it sounded in my head."

But you didn't have to consciously think about I want to create this music in my head. Like I put down your instrument cuz I tell people a lot uh like that was a that was a step that I had to make. Not that I like make great music or anything, but like it's a step that I had to make. I feel like I started making better melodies and better music once I just put down my instrument.

Right. And I forced myself to just create it in my head before I ever touch my instrument. I think too like I feel like you have to be in a in a certain headspace to write, at least for me. And sometimes I do find myself just sitting there and just messing around.

And then Yeah, obviously I kind of slowly start mumbling some stuff and then maybe start singing some words and putting it together a progression. But there's when people always ask the question all the time, "How do you write songs?" or like how do you write a good song? It's impossible to answer that cuz there's so many I've written songs so many different ways and so many different situations that there's no set by the book rules to writing a hit or a good song.

It's just it either comes or it doesn't and you know, And make no mistake, some of y'all's music, there's probably some record label execs that five four five years ago, if you were to just show them that music, those people are not like forward thinkers. They're not artists. They like to duplicate something that's happening. Yeah.

So, if they hear anything that like doesn't perfectly exemplify something else that's already popular, like I'm talking on the nose. It's not good. Yeah, they're don't get it. No.

Well, I don't I don't understand it. Where's the money in that? Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

So, they probably wouldn't even It's like, "What are what are they singing about? What is it?" you know? Cuz you have a unique voice, too.

But Stephen and I were talking about that, how you're like you have a like a country voice. I actually thought because of where your voice sits, Mhm. uh I thought it had kind of like a like a Shenandoah thing. I don't know that guy's first name.

The dudes that do two dozen roses. Yeah. But just where your voice sits, like I would be able to hear your voice out just in the wild and be like, "Oh [expletive] that guy, his voice would be like just it would mix really well on any record and live, too, cuz it sits in a certain register and just cuts through a mix really well." I struggle with that.

I can't cuz I got a lower voice, so it just So, you know what I mean? Right. Yeah, I don't I don't I never thought I was a good singer ever anything at all. I just I always sing in the car, I sing in the shower, you know?

And I've all I've always when I wrote songs, I sing them the way I want to sing them. And they told me it sounded good, so we just ran with it and like no one said I can sound I can sing better than that. It's like, Nah, Sam sings just fine. So, when you said that you weren't And I have Lance singing harmonies with me.

Oh, bro. And he's like my blood harmony or whatever. Like I can't I couldn't join another band unless he joins that band with me because that's to me that mine and his voice are one in the same. And we just got really, really lucky with that.

I would agree cuz there's harmonies everywhere. Right. Like through most of the verses on every song, which is a bold move, too. No one does that.

it. Like Yeah. good. Yeah.

If they blend well, you're like using both of them to create the one tone. It's super dope and very unique. But very rarely, it's a very band thing, which gets lost. That's why it's fascinating that you guys spent a lot of time just playing together cuz that's kind of That doesn't happen as much nowadays.

Right. And we try to like we try to keep it that way as much as we can as is it is a band. Like it's Even when we were doing this podcast, I was like, "Do you want all of us or just one of us?" Because most of these I like having them there because I can't speak for everybody on this thing, you know?

I can try my best. I have a I have a pretty good memory of how I have a pretty good memory of how I have a pretty I have a pretty good memory. Yeah. But yeah, it's always just been a big family with us, man.

They're all They're like my second family. You know, we get together outside of just playing and hang out. Our families know each other's families. I mean, they all came to My son just turned 1 two or three days ago and almost half my band was there.

Yeah. You know. Yeah. And I like it that way.

I wouldn't have it any other way. I And we all get treated the same. Everything's equal. Everything's fair.

So Uh yeah. We are a band. We're a band. It's not Sam Cante and the whatevers.

I think And I never wanted to be that way, too. That was like one thing when I first joined is I told him I said, "This is This is y'all's band. I'm just the singer coming in. Like y'all are already a band."

But when I joined and we started singing these songs and making this music, they felt like "We need to call this band something else because it's something different now than what it was before you joined." So we thought of like a hundred different band names, man, and we landed on Treaty Oak Revival because we wanted it to be something Texas related cuz we're all from Texas. So uh Our drummer to do with the Austin Our drummer Yeah, our drummer at the time was like, "Well, what about the Treaty Oak tree?" Like the tree in Austin where they used to meet up and you know, make peace and everything like that.

I said, "Yeah, that sounds kind of cool." Yeah. And I just tacked Revival onto the end of it because I like Creedence Clearwater Revival and Folk Soul Revival and it sounds kind of cool. So What's a little ironic, too, you said you weren't super into classic rock.

I say that, man. I just When I say I'm not into classic rock, I just don't mean like I'm not going to go out of my way to put it on, but I still band that comes to mind that you're like, "I just don't like them" when you think of classic rock? Yeah, like Aerosmith. Oh, funny.

I just watched his uh Howard Stern like the Beatles. You may hate me for that, but I'm not like a huge Beatles fan. That's actually really funny. Yeah, you with me on that one?

So I've grown in appreciation In the last year, I've grown in appreciation for the Beatles. I do like some of their songs. But that's I will say I respect the [expletive] out of them. That's the thing.

Like I don't I feel like I don't hate anybody. I try not to hate anybody. It's just not my It's not my cup of tea. Like I'm not going to put on Hey Jude or something like that in my car every day.

No. Like A lot of it's really hokey, too. I will say that Come Together dum Come Together, I do like that one. But that doesn't even sound like a Beatles song.

Exactly. That's what I'm saying. That's what makes it cool. Yeah.

I don't like I like the ones that don't sound like the Beatles. But some of them are really hokey. Right. Here Comes the Sun doo Oh, shoot me.

I'm out. But at for the time period they were like, you know they were really onto something and they were super special for the time. But yeah, it is like sacrilege within like musical Like Yeah, if like super artsy musical people are like, you know, like the Beatles is my thing. There's like certain bands that people It's almost like a checklist like you got to be into this band.

Aerosmith's a funny one, though. I just never like It's never something that I really got into. Can't say I love them. There's something about his voice that I always found to be fascinating.

Yeah. He's a He's a fascinating guy. He's a weirdo. I mean, he What he looks like uh Jack Sparrow.

Yeah. I guess like classic rock for me would be like Lynyrd Skynyrd and Creedence and I used to listen to like a lot of Jefferson Starship and Jefferson Airplane, ELO uh Who else, man? I love AC/DC. Um I don't know.

See, like that's what I'm saying. Like I try to think. But I listen to so much music. Like I listen to everything.

I listen to hip-hop. Yeah. Country, rock, metal emo music, like whatever. I listen to it all.

For sure. Well, we're like a product of the internet. I think that changed with the generations. We just got pummeled with so much different stuff.

Yeah. YouTube and Yeah. Well, Spotify was when it was just like game over. Like now there's so much music I don't know what to do with myself.

So I just kind of I don't know. Go nuts sometimes. It's really weird to think about that you can have all the music that has ever existed in the entire world in real time. Like right there.

Like It's crazy. If you really think about it, that's insane. And you can go down rabbit holes, too. I'll sit there sometimes and I'll find one artist and I'll listen like their whole catalog.

And then you go and it says recommended underneath and then you just start clicking those artists and then those artists have recommended artists. The recommended is trippy, though. Oh, yeah. But you find some of the greatest things ever.

That's probably how a lot of people found out who we So Cody, last time I saw Cody uh we were talking because we use the same distributor for our music and there was like apparently one time Cody was looking at his page and like his listeners also listen to thing at the bottom. He looked at it and his was just bizarre. It was like all these It was like trap It was like Japanese trap music and Trap music? Dude, I'm talking the most out there a bunch of these Asian bands and stuff, which like I got nothing against Asian bands, but you know, Cody West isn't exactly an Asian man.

Jap- Japanese trap, you know. Maybe sometimes. We But uh and then so he knew that I had the same distributor, so he went and looked at my stuff and my stuff had the same like stuff going on down there. Like it had nothing to do with our music.

That's weird. Really weird. And then even sometimes there's some like bands that are on there that I'm like, "Really? You think I" Which is the It's like an algorithm thing, probably.

Maybe the algorithm glitched or something that day. Yeah. In general, though, sometimes the artists or listeners also listen to is a little bit out there where But that's a humbling, too, because you're like, "Really? You think I sound like them?

Oh. Huh. Okay." Like you can't really argue with it.

No. Right? Yeah. Like the listener's always right.

Yeah, I know. Sometimes, maybe. I don't know. I think they're always right.

Yeah. Whether or not I agree with them is a different thing. Just like But some sometimes like they told us I think one comment said I sounded like uh like Jason Aldean with Brantley Gilbert riffs or something like that. Oh, riffs.

Well, no. I was like, "Yeah, maybe. I guess." I get way of more of the Midwest emo thing, which is what I love about it in terms of guitar parts.

Right. You know, that arpeggiated uh riff stuff, but Brantley Gilbert's weird. That's a weird one. And you said Jason Aldean?

Yeah. Like they said I sounded like Jason Aldean and our guitar parts sounded like Brantley Gilbert. Yeah, well, if you sound like Brantley Gilbert I was like, "Cool, man. Like I Those guys are cool, I guess."

This was a comment. Very successful. Yeah. Yeah, it was a comment.

Do you know what it was on? Instagram, I'm pretty sure. That one sticks with you. Yeah.

It Not that I have anything against those guys, but it's just really out of left field. Like I was like, "How did you put that together?" Like I just You could have said so many things else. Like we've heard the country Blink-182 or something like that.

what they weren't saying is whether or not they like it. Right. You know, so that's where you have to get I Why somebody likes something is kind of Like that can be debated. And most people, if you don't make music, you've never really analyzed why you like something.

You just But you know whether or not you do or you don't. That's always like 100% accurate. But why? Cuz some people come up with some wacky reasons why they like something and you're like That's not why you like that.

Yeah, we've kind of finally started When we first started out we just saw nothing but positive comments. Like everyone saying, "Oh, I love this band. They're so great. Their music's great.

Their music's awesome." And now since we've released a few projects under our belt now we finally started to get like haters and like people hating on the music, which is fun to see cuz I've always wanted to have people Like I'm like, "Come on, man. You can't like it that much." Not everybody can like it that much.

You got to find something you hate about it. And then people start doing I'm like, "Oh, yeah. I knew it." I knew you [expletive] didn't like it, dude.

It's a little insincere for somebody to like something so Yeah. But then they come out with they say like a Brantley Gilbert Jason Aldean comment and I'm like That's a little out there, dude, but okay. If you're just wanting to hate on something, I understand. I think there's a little part of the Texas thing that we like We just like a little bit of [expletive] talking.

Oh, yeah. Or a little bit in the same way that like that's how you got you know, your wife. Yeah. Talk a little trash, you know.

If you come on a little strong, it's like, "Hey, bro." Do you ever Do you ever get Do you ever get people um that feel like they need to be like overly uninterested in you? Maybe like in a normal daily sense. Like if you just were to meet somebody.

Do you ever like engage with people that are kind of a little bit off like I don't know. Like they just don't really engage with you that much or they might be even a little bit rude to you just to prove that like they're not that interested in you. Like where it's a little weird. Where you're like, "Dude, you can still be nice to me.

You don't have to act Right. Are you Are you saying like have I ever met somebody who's like not a fan of our music and is like trying to talk to me or something like that? Or somebody that is. Oh, somebody that is?

Yeah, but they So, full transparency, I've done it. Like out of nervousness. Not to you, but like Yeah, give me an example. Like I hear you.

um Oh, this is a funny one and this is pretty transparent, too. The first time I ever met Parker McCollum. Mhm. Okay, I was standing backstage at LJT and he was about to go on stage.

And like there's this element of uh And like we've written songs together and stuff now, too. So, he's like a cool dude, but there's an element of you don't want to bug somebody. You also the whole line of like act like you've been there before. Oh, yeah.

Which is kind of [expletive] I understand the like the premise of it is like don't be a germ. You know, don't like fawn over somebody. At the same time, don't go the opposite direction and like act too cool. Yeah, okay.

I see what you're saying now. Yeah. over there and in my head I'm like I'm like, "Well, I don't want to bug him." Yeah.

Act like you've been there. So, I just stand there doing my thing talking to somebody. He comes over and is like, "Hey, dude. I'm Parker."

And I'm like, "I'm Jared." And then I feel like kind of a douche where it's just like We clearly made eye contact and I don't go over there and say hi because it's like don't be a germ. When it's like, "Well, you But you're just being friendly. You're just being nice."

so weird, man. Like for me, I when somebody's like nervous to talk to me now, I'm like, "Dude, why are you I'm just a [expletive] guy." But then like I'll Like even Cody like when I saw him today, I kind of got a little nervous when I talked to him because dude, like we used to tour He's Cody that we're just talking about this. He's part of the reason He's part of the reason like why we got to play like Hell, yeah.

He kind of helped us break out. Like he took us him and Khan Barnes uh we were like really good friends We're really good friends with Khan, but we're good friends with Cody, too. But they used to take us out like they were the first person people who take us to Green Hall, to Floores Country Store. And those were like those were like the craziest things ever.

Like we couldn't believe we were playing those venues. But he was nice enough to take us to take us out with them and we got a [expletive] ton of fans from going out and playing with those guys. Even if we didn't sound as great as we do now back then, but it was it was like the opportunity of a lifetime to go play with him. guess that's the dirty little secret is like nobody is really that comfortable in their own skin.

Right. Like nobody's just not nervous. Right. Well, like also, too, I'm a Cody West fan.

Like I love Cody. I was I went to Cody West concerts before I ever played with him or met him or was a friend of him. So, yeah, there's always going to be that little part of me that's going to be like it's kind of weird that I'm It's not weird. I'm hanging out with you.

But it's not. It's not weird. Well, yeah, maybe it's weird you're hanging out. It just It just feels It's not weird you're a fan.

I've got I've definitely gotten over that. The idea Now I can just be like, "Hey." Like I like you. I like you.

it's just that No, I think it's that what I was trying to say is like it's that intimidation factor that you were talking about of going up and talking to somebody who you know is like a Parker McCollum or something. And it's interesting you're doing it out of way of uh like you don't want to be a germ. You don't want to You don't want to No, yeah. You don't want to be lame.

Yeah, but then because you're doing that, you end up kind of looking like a prick. Yeah. Like you're too cool, which is so lame. just be who you are.

So, at this point in my life now, I'm just like, "Hey, dude. I'm a fan. You're awesome." Yeah, dude.

If they get weirded out by that, then that's on them. Yeah. Like I'm just being myself. Yeah, I like what you do.

This is not rocket science. You put it out for the whole world to see. wrong with that, either. Yeah.

I mean, there's nothing to be embarrassed about or anything. If you If you like something, like it, you know. Yeah, and like a sincere compliment um nowadays is kind of rare. Well, maybe not even nowadays.

I would much I'll put it to you this way. I would much rather somebody be like, "I love your music, man. It's so great. Like I love everything that you do.

This is awesome meeting you and every I'd rather that than Who the Who the [expletive] are you, dude? Like that kind of thing like That's a thing. Mr. Big Shot or something like that.

Yeah. See, that is That's exactly what I'm talking about. Some people will go to that opposite end of it to try to not They're like trying to be cool and it's like, "Dude, it's okay Yeah. that you like my music."

Like it's actually really flattering. It's like why I do it. Yeah. It's for you to like my music.

A lot of people will say, "Uh I don't mean to be weird, but like I'm you know, I'm a big fan of your music." And I'm like, "Dude, it's not weird that you like my music. What's weird is that I spent like 8 hours in a dark room making the music." Like that's weird.

The fact that you like it is not weird. Yeah. Me making it pretty bizarre. Like sit by yourself.

Yeah, that's weird. I don't know if you do it in the dark. I don't do it in the dark sometimes. Some of them I do it in the light.

I was waiting for you to bail me out on that. it in the dark, but I've Yeah. I've done it in the dark. Did you just clip that one?

Yeah, I've done it in the dark. it in the dark. Yeah, I don't I Yeah. And that's something that I've had to grown grow accustomed to pretty quick, you know.

Especially with how fast things have gotten huge for us. I've had to deal with some like learn how to deal with people now. It's weird. Like I can't go walk through the crowd or I can't go walk outside or Like we're at a casino right now tonight is where we're playing and shoot some craps or whatever.

I can't go to the casino right now and shoot some craps or whatever because I probably people are probably going to come up to me and be like, "Hey, what are you doing?" But I'm still going to shoot craps or I'm still going to go play slots. Sure. So, you just If anything, I'll be like, "Hey, hop in the game or whatever.

Like come on, dude. Let me come take your money." Well, you also could It's probably a part of you just being humble, too, but you could probably get your own table. Yeah, but I don't want to do anything like It'd be sick.

It would be sick. My gosh, I'll do it. Can I use your Can I use your name? Yeah, sure, dude.

I've had it done before. No. Yeah, one time there are these Have you ever heard of Game Freeman in the CC Rider? Yeah.

Well, they've got a new song I really like. I think it's their newest one, I think. Yeah. Oh, they're amazing.

Well, Game's like one of my best friends. I actually he lives in Marlow. So, he I live 15 minutes away from him. And he's like the only like real friend I have in Oklahoma.

I mean, I have more friends because of him. But he was like the first guy who I actually was like besides my wife that I would go hang out with and do [expletive] with. But he went on the Southeast run with us and we played the Texas Club in Baton Rouge, Louisiana. And there was this club and that night Shaq was DJing at that club.

Before you played? Yes. I don't know. Like after we had played.

Like it was later that night at the club. Is that where they do like the bottle service and the whole thing? Yeah, I think so. But they were like we're going to night and uh he was like, "Hey, man.

You think I can't remember if he asked me, but he literally went up to the doorman. They were like, "Who are y'all here with? Like who are you with?" He's like, "We're Tridio."

They were like, "No way." They were like, "All right, get in here, man." They dude, they got their own table. People were buying them drinks.

All sorts of [expletive] dude. It was hilarious. O'Neal DJing? Yeah.

No, he wasn't even there. I don't I don't think. It was like the wrong They went to the wrong bar or something, too. He was like playing across the street or some [expletive] But it was supposed to be Shaq.

Yeah, it was supposed to be Shaq. It was Shaq. Like he was there. It just wasn't where they were.

Yeah, it was it was weird, man. Like we never get There's always stuff cool that's going on and we never get to do any of it. Like we were supposed to go see Shaq that night, too. And this guy was supposed to come pick us up and he never did.

Like So, we just never got to go cuz we didn't have cars or anything. We weren't going to spend all that money on Ubers. It's the golden cage, dude. Yeah.

Can't you like in this thing that's so dope and so cool and so big, but yet it's like in ways you can't enjoy it. Yeah. The golden cage. You talking about like the bus or the RV?

No, I mean just like probably more broadly speaking, you know. It's like you have so much cool stuff going on and it's cool for people to know who you are and all that, but it's like, "Well, I can't go shoot craps." Right. Golden cage.

Yeah. That makes sense. Double-edged sword. My bad.

I completely I understand. you think I was talking about? I thought you were talking about I don't I don't know. Just Yeah, I understand what you mean.

Yeah. No, what did you What did you think I was saying? I thought you were talking about like the golden cage was meant like the fact that So, we were at a bus or RV or whatever and we couldn't go see Shaq because we had no other way of getting there. It was little bit like that, too.

It is kind of a golden cage, I guess. Like it's cool that you have a bus, but you can't go anywhere Yeah, well, there's just a bunch of people out front in front of the fence, but like good luck walking out in front of the fence. You sit there and look at it. Yeah.

That shit's wild. Isn't it? weird to me, man. It's got to be, man.

Like, dude, just I'm just here, man. Like it's cool. You don't got to freak out. You know?

Yeah, but part of the part of the reason like you realize like, oh, how would I have been if, you know, somebody who I've listened to and lived my life, you know, had important memories and stuff that happened in my life associated with that music and the guys who made it. And if they walk out, like I'm going to be like, holy [expletive] that's [expletive] Jared Morris or whatever. Like that's [expletive] crazy. Yeah.

It is weird to think about though cuz like part of the reason that they're freaking out is the reason that you're like having success. So it's in some ways you can't have one without the other. Yeah. Like being It's weird for me because I used to be in the crowd, you know?

Like I used to go to the concerts and be fans of the music. I still am. Like I still try. I don't go to as many concerts for golden cage reasons.

Uh can't do that because everybody in the crowd all of a sudden is like, oh, there's Sam. I know. Just incognito just watching some listening to some music. Yeah.

Just So, but I don't know. It's still strange to me now being on the other side of that and being the person who makes the music and is doing the big shows and with the all the crazy stuff on stage and selling out everywhere. It's weird. It's a really weird feeling.

Like it's something that I Maybe it's like an imposter syndrome kind of thing, too, but it just doesn't Sometimes it just doesn't feel real like what we're doing at all. Like It is real, but it's just hard to It's hard for your brain to process it. At least for me it is sometimes. Yeah.

Do you ever struggle with thankfulness because of that? I mean, I'm always thankful, but at the same time like growing up, I've never felt like I don't know. I just never felt like I was meant for this. Like I never I always kind of thought I was going to be building gas plants in the desert for the rest of my life, you know?

And I And I would jam with my boys in the shop on Mondays getting drunk. I thought that's all it was ever going to be, you know? And that's I was I was I guess I was okay with that. But when I saw the opportunity to do something with this is when you know, all the stuff started happening.

And it does feel It still feels not real, but I've gotten to the point now where I've accepted it and like I know that nobody's pulling my leg anymore, you know? Like it's all It's genuine. It's sincere. They really do like the music.

All the fans, you know, it's hard to not understand that now So like playing the kinds of shows that we're playing and having the types of success that we've had. So early on there was some feelings of like is this going to last? Do they really like it? Is this just a lot of lot of a lot of doubt and like I don't know, low self-esteem maybe or self-confidence and stuff.

Which is weird because I feel like I have a lot of confidence I mean, I have enough confidence to go out there and play on stage in front of all those people every night, but at the same time like I just It doesn't feel like I deserve it, you know? Oh. Or like it doesn't Sure. Yeah.

Maybe that's more of the thing I'm trying to get across. Yeah, maybe. Like cuz it just happened so fast you maybe But I mean, you spent a lot of time just playing and singing. I mean, maybe you didn't go to When you actually like take it and think about it, like you realize all the work that you've done and everything you've put in to get to where you are today, then you're like, yeah, it makes sense.

But I can see that. The real quick go-to thing is like this is This is weird. Why is this happening to me? You know, that kind of thing.

So. And it feels like, you know, when we first started this, our goal was just to play music play original music and do it for a living, you know? Just enough to pay the bills and have a good time. And when we played the Grand Ole Opry, that was when I That was the first time I was like, holy [expletive] like this is a real thing.

Like I can't believe this is happening right now. Because when we when we first started and we weren't anything, we used to set goals. And one of the goals I remember that I set was It was just like a throwaway goal. Like I was like, it's never going to happen, but what if we played the I want to play the Grand Ole Opry.

And then not even like a year and a half 2 years later we get the invite and I was like, holy [expletive] dude. How? Or like not I feel like we weren't even really a country band, you know? Yeah, but it can happen quick nowadays, man.

Well, and you don't realize that how many different genres and different types of people have played on that stage, you know? Like Yeah, they got Post Malone up there. Yeah. Yeah.

What I'm saying? And George Strait's never played. So. It's wild.

Yeah, no kidding. Dude, the freaking tour uh where is that thing? The backstage pass tour pass? Mhm.

What's on here? [expletive] man. So cuz there was a couple that are like Can I Can I say border What's up? Can I dip tobacco on here?

Dude, you Yeah, you just be yourself. Yeah, man. Can I get uh All right, dude. Like I'm just making sure like a beer?

I appreciate the uh thoughtfulness, too. [expletive] drink a beer. I You don't want me to be like my full self. I need to be a little reserved, man.

Easy with the language. I didn't appreciate the F-bomb, but Yeah, cool. I'll allow the snuff, but you know, you start saying words like No, I'm good, man. Start saying words like ass, I'm No, drink a beer, man.

Where is uh Why didn't you think he could drink a beer around me? I was just trying to support you in the bit. I thought we were in a bit. Oh, no.

You know? Anyways. No, I didn't I was going to drink one either way. Good.

You should. Technically, I'm in your world. I should be the one asking you if I can do things. Nah.

What Well, you did I really for real, thanks for setting us up here. Oh, anytime, man. I'm so glad that we could we could get this done. This is so For a while I was like, man, I don't know how we're going to like where the room is going to be, how we're going to have all this set up, everything like that.

I was like, how the [expletive] is this going to happen, but I have I forget that I have a team who like does their job very well and I'm like, oh, great. Like cool. They got every They had our place to set up. They got here on time.

We got to do this early, actually, and so on time. Well, these casinos, too, are the best place to do it. Like we've shot we've shot some of these now cuz they've got just a million green rooms. Like a lot of venues don't have these kind of things.

for sure. Oh, yeah. All right, so That thing. The So There's a few that were like We had a problem with people last year getting our backstage passes Yeah.

and making like duplicates and using them to get into the shows. Fake IDs. So we had to This year we decided to make one that was just so crazy and weird and off-the-wall that nobody would ever think to copy it or find a way to copy it. So we had our lead guitar player and our media person, they had like a competition to draw like the weirdest badge.

Okay. what they came up with. so do you know what's on it? Uh I think there's like a jackalope.

It says Trinity of the Bible band. Right. Which is something we've been called before. Trinity of the Bible.

People don't know how to say our name for some weird reason, man. I don't know why. say it like in a drunken Yeah, like Tree Oak Revival, Trinity River Band, Tree Oh. Tree of the Bible or Okay, so that's actually Okay.

We've had times where the name on the marquee was like completely misspelled. We'd have to go tell them to change it around. Okay, so that one's like really was just a play on that, but yeah, there's like a needle and a spoon with a happy face on there. That was the one over dinner that I went Remember when I said uh Is that heroin?

I didn't get Yeah. Remember when I said I was like they told me to play some classic rock songs that I didn't really know very well. Yeah. I'm like a I'm a bit I like Lynyrd Skynyrd, but back then I didn't know they had a song called Needle and the Spoon.

Right. And that was one of the songs that they covered. And I learned how to play it. I learned how to sing it, but I did not know that song by heart.

I had heard it before, but I did not know the song. So we always made fun of Needle and the Spoon cuz it's just such a crazy song to cover cuz it's about heroin addiction. I'm glad I asked. Yeah.

So that's why that's there. It's like an inside joke. It's all like inside jokes. That's the whole thing.

So it's really It's a lot to make it really hard for people to understand what the [expletive] that is. So It's definitely better than what I thought, you know? I was like, "Oh, that's heroin. Okay."

Yeah. We don't do heroin. Don't do heroin. For the record Um I do, but the So the jackalope Mhm.

What's up with the jackalope? Cuz you have the necklace, too. Yeah, that's just like a West Texas thing. Like in Odessa, they have like this giant jackrabbit.

Like this giant jackrabbit statue and it is kind of I guess they made it a landmark or whatever, but they did statue this thing where they did statues of the jackalope rabbit all around town like different businesses and they'd paint them different. I think they do that in a couple other cities with some different [expletive] Yeah. Like I think San Angelo has it with the rams or whatever cuz it's ASU. But anyways Uh and our team with they have a hockey team in Odessa called the Odessa Jackalopes.

So and it's a weird kind of mythical creature that kind of cool. So we thought it resembled West Texas and seemed cool to us. So we just we just kind of always used it somehow as like a character in our in our band. And then all right.

So but then up in the top left I haven't even Let me look at it again. I kind of like the idea of you not being able to see it. But I kind of like the idea of you not being able to see it. Well, then It would It would be really funny if I was just making [expletive] up.

Like if none of this was on here and you just gave me full explanations about That would be kind of weird. But there's one at the top left that is just an It's a poop emoji. Oh, on a grave. Or it's on a hill.

Okay. [expletive] on a hill. [expletive] hill, yeah. Oh, got it.

Oh, I know cuz we can't let people remake these. Yeah. That's true, too. I did just show it on camera, too.

So you guys probably need to You're going to have to change it. So like some of the stuff on that pass are song titles for new songs that haven't been released yet. Ooh, deep cut. So that's an even deeper That's cool.

nobody would know what that means. Thoughtful. So this one on the top left is So if they hear this podcast, they got the inside knowledge. Yep.

Look him dead in the eye and tell him. Rewind it and see what I said. That's going to be one of the tracks. But [expletive] Yeah.

Huh? Well, yeah, I'm glad I asked about some of those. Cuz over dinner with my wife, I was like, "Yeah, I don't I don't know what this is. know if they're into that or not.

No, it's meant to be ridiculous. Did you ever go down the drug rabbit hole much? Did I do drugs? Yeah, yeah, I mean I guess that was a nicer way of Yeah, I guess I could have just been like, "Did you do drugs?"

Yeah, I've done a lot of drugs. Really? Yeah. Not like I haven't done heroin.

I told you I haven't done heroin. So I haven't done it, but yeah, I've done quite a few drugs. Yeah, I didn't really like that was just like the kind of thing that I didn't I could get wild enough just a little pot now and then that's about it. I don't drink anymore.

I'm an alcoholic. So I'm two almost I'll be 3 years sober in September. So off alcohol. So Uh So you did that before y'all really exploded, too.

No, I did that a little bit before we kind of really took off. Oh, it was on the start of it. Yeah. Is that what like kind of led to Right.

Yeah, it's that's kind of what led to us becoming a better band was me getting my [expletive] together and not getting blacked out drunk before every show and then making an ass of myself and the rest of the guys. So Was some of that nerves or what do you Or you just want to have a good time or I just always been a real big drinker, man. I love drinking. I [expletive] love I still love it.

I'm a you know I was addicted to it. Yeah. I still think about it, too, all the time. Which is like I thought maybe you were not drinking a beer because you out of respect for me, but I don't care.

I love I love for you to drink a beer. I would love to drink a beer with you. I know that is fun. I guess I kind of am.

So cheers. I drink this now. Yeah, cheers, dude. It scratches the itch.

But you do Hey, I they're bad enough cuz I drink some of I drink the I don't really drink much before I play. I guess I've never really had the bug where like I'm It's either all or nothing. So I don't drink a ton before I play. Um I have before, but I can like turn it off now.

I like just kind of do a little bit more sober. But those non-alcoholic ones, I can have like one of those and they're just bad enough that I'm like, "I don't even think I really want any beer after Yeah, they're terrible. But I drink them, man, just because it I don't know. They take the craving away a little bit.

Yeah, it definitely does. Yeah. It's like, "Man because that's I had the conversation about it with my wife the other day. I was like, "Man I drink alcohol so much that I did genuinely like the taste of beer and whiskey and all of that.

Like I love the taste of it. So when I started drinking these, I was like, "This is [expletive] great. You know, I can drink a dozen of these and I'll be completely hydrated. I know that's the weird part.

water, beer-flavored water. Did you feel your voice change? Oh, my voice is like a thousand times better now. Better.

Well, because I was drinking like a fifth a day of whiskey, liquor. So sometimes like a fifth and a half a day. And that's not good for your vocal cords. And I was smoking cigarettes and dipping and Yeah.

It's My voice Is it higher or is it just more consistent now? Or like how does it feel different, your voice? It's clearer. It doesn't sound like scratchy and gravelly and like [expletive] It's just Yeah, it didn't sound good.

I list I go back and listen to old shows when I was drinking and [expletive] really heavy and I can't sit through it, man. Really? I've gotten to the point where I can hear my I can sit through listening to myself now like on a live recording and I don't get crinched out about it, but when I hear those old drunk singing tapes, I'm like, "God, [expletive] dude. Turn that off, man."

Dude, how yeah, a board tape or a recording of yourself live is just the most humbling was [expletive] up like yeah, I just reme- forgetting words and slurring and Yeah, it was it wasn't good, man. There was There was times when I was doing that kind of stuff and I would just walk off stage like halfway during the show. Just Yeah, like, "Yep, I'm too [expletive] up. I can't sing the rest of the show."

What would they do? They would just keep playing. And Lance, uh backup singer, would kind of take over. And he kind of had like some cover songs that he would sing and I would take a break.

So he would just go immediately to those and just milk the [expletive] out of them. He was like, "Let's see if we can get another 30 minutes out of these five songs that I know how to sing." So did they end up doing kind of like an intervention kind of thing with you? Nah.

Not really. They never really sat me down in a room or anything like that, but they definitely were like concerned. Or but you just with yourself even. You just kind of had a moment of like, "Dude, I need to figure this out."

It was when I met my wife and moved down there with her and it had gotten to the point where it was really bad. And she just told me one day, she's like "Look, I don't want to deal with this anymore. So I'm out." Like she's like, "I'm done.

I don't want I don't want I don't want to deal with this anymore, but she said, "You may want to make a change because I'm gone, but she said, "Your friends are worried about you. Your family's worried about you and your band is worried about you." And she's like, "I don't want you to lose all that." And when she kind of said that, I put it in the perspective.

I was like Yeah. I'm about to lose everything. Like not only her, which she's the love of my life. I love my wife.

But I could see it. Like my friends stopped calling me as much. They stopped wanting to hang out with me. I could tell my band was really pissed off at me all the time just because they knew you know, whatever show we were going to play, I was just going to show up and be all messed up like I usually am.

So it was Yeah, it was at that point. I was like, "I need to I need to I need to stop. I just need to quit." Did you have to go to rehab?

No. The first time that I quit, I was still in Odessa and I had to go to the hospital for that. Like I had to get medically uh I don't know what you would call that. Sobered up, right?

Yeah. Well, they would they gave they gave me a lot of like sedation drugs and stuff cuz my body was basically going into like cardiac arrest. Were you starting to already have like severe withdrawals or something? So you tried to like cold turkey it.

Yeah. Don't do it, by the way. It's super dangerous. Yeah.

I was seeing things, too. Like I had hallucinations. Yep. Delirium tremens.

Delirium tremens. And I was seeing things like as real as you sitting right there in that chair right now. And you'll stand tell one of these guys like they'd be like, "Who are you talking to?" I'd be like, "Oh, Jared's right here."

And they'd be like, "No, there's not. There's there." The DTs. Yeah, man.

It's crazy. Have you had any experience with that or anything? Yeah. Yeah, not me personally, but yeah.

You know people? Really close to me. Yeah. Yeah.

It's crazy, dude. It's insane. That's why like I've done a lot of drugs, like psychedelics, nothing compares Really? to DTs.

And I had heard That's the trippiest [expletive] I've ever seen. Apparently the science, I don't whatever. I mean, this wouldn't be the first time that I say I don't agree with the science, but that's a ridiculous statement even. Um But I've heard people say that it doesn't even matter like how bad of an alcoholic you are.

Some people associate with like how much you drank with like how bad the withdrawals and DTs are going to be. But there's some people who are um like mediocre alcoholics. I don't like they're not doing a good job. good enough alcoholics.

a great alcoholic. No, like they're not like that bad off into it, but they have severe withdrawals and DTs. And then other people who are just I mean just horrible alcoholics don't have really any withdrawals. So it's kind of like random a little bit.

weird. Because I also have friends who probably drank more if not as much as I did and they kind of sobered up and they never really felt anything. I mean, they've got the cold shakes and had trouble sleeping at night, probably had some nightmares and stuff like that, but Yeah. nothing compared to what I went through.

And I had to go to the hospital and they had to restrain me and give me medications and all sorts of stuff. I thought I was like potentially could die or have a heart attack. And then I remember I got out of the hospital on Easter and I was cleared to go home. And I think it was like 2 weeks and I went back to drinking again.

Like I started off with I was just like, "Oh, I can have some beers." But then I would start drinking beers and I'd be like, "Oh man, let's drink some liquor." And so that's the even more dangerous one. Yeah.

Is when you go back after that. And so I got back into it and then my wife said that stuff to me later on and that's when that's when I really just I quit. said that after you had already gone through all those withdrawals and Yeah, and she didn't know me she didn't know me at the time when all that stuff with the hospital happened. Oh.

In fact, when she started dating me, she didn't even really know I think I was an alcoholic. So she didn't realize that until after the fact. Did you even know? Oh, yeah.

Well, I knew I had a problem, but I was just like, "Ah." It's Yeah. normal, you know? Like Yeah, in a very Texas sort of way.

Yeah. Yeah, where it's like, "Oh, yeah." Well, where I'm from, like that's all we do. 100%.

That's all we did and we go to work out in the out in the [expletive] field and [expletive] and sweat your ass off, work your ass off, then you go home, go straight to the bar, have some cold ones, have some food, have some more cold ones, go back to the trailer or whatever, get [expletive] up, wake up, do it all over again. That's all it was. Mhm. And so I don't know.

It was great, too, when I went in this band life or doing the band stuff cuz it's all right there, you know? And then that's when it really gets kind of off the rails. So but yeah, I quit and But that finally was the time. So did you have withdrawals and DTs the second time around?

Not This is the weird part. Like it wasn't as bad and thankfully my doctor had given me some medication like he was like, "Hey, just in case anything happens ever again and you try to and like say you relapse and you go back to drinking again take these pills. And if you want to quit, just take them as it says on the bottle and you shouldn't have to deal with that stuff anymore. So when I did quit I kind of did that, but there was a time I remember, I think it was around the third day I was sober.

And I was we were living in this like barn dominium apartment type thing. It was me and her. And I remember being upstairs is where our bedroom was and I remember laying in the bed and all of a sudden I could hear like a radio show. Like it's almost like a radio playing in the background.

And I was like what the [expletive] Like I was like, "Is my phone on or something? Or is there a radio on in the house?" And I looked around and I couldn't see it and then I like laid back down in the bed and then it started coming again and then it was like a voice and it said like a fake radio station. Like it's weird what your brain can come up with.

Like it's like, "Hi, you're listening to blah. This week's hot Up next, we got a new single coming out from an up and coming West Texas country rock band, Treaty Oak Revival. This one's called No Vacancy." It was all in my head.

And yeah. That was kind of scary. And then what I found out what it was is the sound that was making my brain think that was a the ceiling fan was making a weird noise and it sounded like radio static. Yeah, so But my mind took that and turned it into like a full-on [expletive] radio show.

And that's when I ran to my pill bottle and I took one of those pills and I was like, "All right, just pretend like that never happened, man. It was just all in your head. Don't worry about it." But it's scary.

Like it's scary that it was gone like but it was that little part was still there. Like Yeah, but thank goodness it wasn't as bad as the first time. Oh, thank god. Cuz I'd always heard that like that second go around you can or the third time, that's when you like can just go into psychosis and you like never come out.

And I probably could like I probably could have. Oh, yeah, there's a chance. Yeah. But Thank goodness.

And you know, for anybody else out there trying to do it yeah, definitely go to a doctor. Yeah, don't go cold turkey it. Yeah. Don't try to do it yourself.

I promise. Yeah, and just don't get there to begin with. It's not definitely worth it. Yeah, for sure.

It is fun to have some drinks, but yeah, there's definitely different people that are susceptible to just that kind of addict nature where it's all or nothing. Yeah. And I think it's part of it is just like it's in my blood. It's in my family.

Like my I have family members who are the exact same way. And it sucks, but Yeah. Thank goodness you're on the other side though. Yeah, I'm good now.

Yeah. Yeah, voice is good, band's good, got the wife, got the kid, got the house, got the band. It's amazing. It's all good.

Uh y'all are putting out some new music soon, aren't you? Yes. Yeah. We uh The whole the whole album is on this uh this past year, this past So if y'all want to know the names for them Yeah.

Yeah, get with get with him. DM him on Twitter or something. But uh yes, we have two projects that we've been working on and I don't know how far I can get into them, so I'll just say that we promised an acoustic record uh soon and something is going to come out this year that is going to scratch that itch, I guess. And we also have another record that we're working on.

You sound so excited. I am very excited. I'm excited about all these, but it's one of those things like you can't talk about it because Really? Yeah, there's just s- I don't know.

There's stuff in the works and Yeah. It's That might be above my I don't that sounds above my pay grade, you know? But we've got a couple projects that pretty stoked about it though? Oh, I'm super excited.

Yeah, I'm so excited. Where'd y'all record at? Um well, we've recorded half Well, the project the acoustic thing that I was talking about, we recorded that at uh the Soundbank Studios in Talco, Texas with Taylor Kimble. Yeah.

Yeah. Cool. So we did that over the course of I think 4 or 5 days. The whole album?

Mhm. Oh. That's incredible. And then we went back in the studio to record our full-length like full band Yeah.

rock country record. And we've I think we've got six songs done on there. Got you. And we've got a few more that we need to go back and record and we'll be back in that studio to do that in April.

And we just got done meeting up in Dallas at this we rented out a place it's called like the music complex or something in North Richland Hills. It's pretty cool, man. It's like this It's like this music academy or something like that. It's crazy.

Woah. Uh I guess it used to be like an old city hall and then it used to be a church. It's got like a jail underneath the place. Mhm.

And but it has all these rooms and bands out of Texas will store their instruments and buses and stuff there and they have people who go in there to record, practice, you know, learn guitar, do lessons, but we rented that out and we all sat in there and got the rest of the music down. And yeah, man. It's it all sounds super cool. Yeah.

So I'm super excited to get it done, which sucks because we're probably going to have to wait until like the end of the year to put it out and I'm like really excited to start playing the new stuff and everyone to hear it, but you got to wait. Yeah. It's got to be perfect. Like for with us, we definitely are a quality over quantity band.

I like it. I would much rather put it give you like two singles and a full-length record than a bunch of singles as quick as possible, you know. I want to make sure that you know, what you're getting is the best we can possibly do. And take our time with it.

Yeah, that's rare nowadays. Yeah, perfect in the sense that like perfectly represents like you and the band. Well, like yeah, like how I mean like how would you release music? How would I release it?

Or like how did you or how do you? I've been doing a lot of singles. Yeah. But it's by way of like I don't have as big of a listenership.

So, I'm going to put out a full album this summer, but part of it is like I hate I spent so much time on it. Like and I work you know, and I just spent a lot of time on the writing and like the and just making the record. So, I hate the idea of putting out a full album and then the fifth song and the sixth song and the seventh song all gets less streams than the album. And so, I'm like well, shoot.

Like that ninth song is super dope. It's my favorite one. But it's like the one that gets the most love is just the ones at the top of the track list. That's kind of the world we live in.

Yeah, I guess I never really thought of it that way. Cuz the way I see it like if I'm listening to I put an equal amount of effort in every single one of them. So, there's a part of me that maybe if it was if it was like oh yeah, have six throwaway songs and four bangers and put the four bangers at the top. But I don't want to make music like that.

Well, so like for example, like one of my favorite songs by you is what happens when? Whoa. Yeah. That's a deep cut though, right?

Dude, I'm really flattered. Yeah, I love that song. Thanks. Yeah, it's a great song.

That was like you just you just But I look at your thing and it's like not on your top 10. That's a prime example. What the [expletive] dude? That is a song.

Yeah, I'm really flattered. So, but yeah, the thing with us is I see it as I don't want to release too many singles if it if the singles are going to be on the record because I want it to be where if I'm coming out with a record, I want it to be like it's your first time hearing that once it releases. Like cuz it feels newer that way and it feels like you're getting more that way as opposed to like oh, I've already heard half the record in singles. So, I'm just going to listen to these other songs that are on the record that I haven't heard yet.

Yeah, that's interesting. You would you would know better than me, man. I'm like I'm just you know, trying to figure it out and uh I don't I don't know what the right answer is. It sucks.

There isn't, man. And I think too like it makes sense for both ways. I think it's just preference, really. But to me, that's it feels better if I'm going into a record knowing this is all new music aside from like one or two songs that I've already heard from them.

Right. Cuz those one or two songs that you pick as the singles kind of sets the tone for the record that's about to come out. And then you hear your record and you're like oh [expletive] And then you hear the songs in sequential order like if that's how you make your record. Where you meant mean it to be listened to from start to finish.

Do you think people are listening to it like I do think we're making a move back into like people want to listen to a whole record. Oddly enough, I think we are making a move back into too, man. I think a lot of a lot of people are doing that nowadays. there's so much stuff where like nowadays we always talk about how like nobody has any attention spans anymore and like it's all about short keep people's attention and like short clips and short this.

But yet it's like I can run podcasts for an hour and a half and people watch the whole thing. So, how do like that's not short form. That's not quick Right. stuff.

An album same way. Yeah. I guess too like it depends on what audience you're trying to go for maybe as well. Like if you're going for a lot of people, if you're going for like the common person to listen to your music, you may want to do like that quick short things like get back to the chorus as quick as you can.

Like it doesn't really matter about the verse. It matters about the hook. Whether it's catchy, whether the music's catchy. Or you know, if you're like a big storyteller guy or you're very instrumental, you may want your songs to be long thought-out things that and maybe that's the audience you want is you want those people who are like I listen to music to enjoy it and hear what the person's trying to say and listen to the story and hear the music that's going on.

Like that kind of thing. I think if people if people are smart, even if they don't know why they do or don't like something, it's they can tell if you're trying to get their attention. Like they can hear the disingenuousness in Well, that's the thing too. Like I feel like as long as you're authentic in whatever you're doing, Mhm.

that's what's going to resonate with people the most. Yeah, I agree. At the end of the day. I agree.

Yeah, that's why I'm still like I dude, I love doing this with people cuz like I'll typically I don't and I don't typically like to meet people before I ever do a podcast with them, which sounds a little weird. But I like to be able to talk about. Well, and it's like you dude, there's only you only get to meet somebody for the first time once. Once, yeah.

And it's kind of interesting to do it on camera. Yeah. Cuz like and then this stuff doesn't get edited, you know? Like there's no So, it's like you could any clunkiness in the conversation like it's just on camera, which is kind of interesting to me.

But you know, there's I haven't had anybody on the podcast at this point that is different off camera. Yeah. Which has been nice. That's good.

Granted we're like pretty selective about who we uh like talk to. You know, we get a pretty good idea of like yeah, this seems like a cool cat that like I feel like I'd get along with. Um so, yeah, like once again, it's just it's nice that uh like I talked to you over there and then I know a lot of people that know you, too, and they're like man, you and Sam need to meet. Like I feel like y'all would get along.

I'm glad people are saying good things about me. Yeah, I just love the idea that somebody's the same off camera or off stage as they are on stage. Yeah. That's always refreshing to me.

That's to tie back into like why sometimes it this feels weird to me is at the end of the day, we're just normal people. We put our [expletive] pants on like everybody else does and we've all had jobs. We all have families. We all know what it's like to be on the other side of the fence.

So, you know, what you see is what you get with us a lot of the times and Pants are always on. Pants are sometimes on. Yeah. But yeah, man.

I just I don't I don't I mean obviously we go out there and we jam it up a little bit for the people, you know, you got to. It's a show, but off stage right? Yeah, jam. a Y.

Jam it up. Okay, yeah. Or ham it up, whatever you want to say. Or ham it up, yeah.

I don't know. But I just wanted to know if it was a soft J. Jam it up. Jam it up.

Ham it up. Like if it was a Spanish J. Yeah, Spanish J. A Hispanic J.

A Hispanic J. Yeah. But no, we're just normal guys, man. We there ain't nothing special about us aside from the fact I guess that we make people we make music that a lot of people resonate with and Yeah, I'll leave you with this.

Uh Dalton I had never met Dalton Domino before. Mhm. And I played a show in Lubbock uh probably about a year ago and we had met backstage. Super nice guy.

And then it was a quick conversation and somehow in that quick conversation we still ended up talking about y'all Mhm. and Treaty Oak. And uh he and I hadn't really listened to it was maybe about a year and a half ago or something. I still I hadn't like listened to a ton of y'all's stuff yet.

And he was like dude, I have never heard this is a direct quote. He goes I have never heard somebody write melodies like him. He's like he writes the best melodies I've ever heard. So, take that for what it's worth.

I don't know. That's nice. Yeah. I really I thought you were going to cry when you heard that, but I was looking for more of a reaction.

Really get him really emotional. Look, I need a little more out of you. Yeah, uh Yeah, you don't yeah, it was just it's a thought. Yeah, it's really cool.

So, if you have any feelings of like whatever, do you belong? Do you do you deserve it? Did you like yeah, screw all that. And it's cool it's great, too, that you know, we come from the Texas and like the Texas country and red dirt music scene.

Like I have now I'm in Oklahoma, so I've been I don't know. Sometimes I feel like the Oklahoma scene's kind of weird about letting Texas people in. Yeah, well, just cuz the of got to like know somebody to get into the scene over there. So, like now I kind of feel like I've been adopted a little bit into the red dirt scene.

But you know, those two scenes I feel are some of the nicest like friendliest most welcoming people ever. There's a few people obviously, you're going to have a few bad apples everywhere you go, but They get weeded out. Most all of yeah, they get you know, they fall by the wayside, but the real guys are always have been really nice to us. Always been very complimentary and helped us out in any way they could.

Like people like Cody, you know, that gave us a chance when not a whole lot of people would. But that's just the way they are, you know, in that scene. We're lucky to come from that stock, you know, that Yeah. Land man.

Yeah, dude. I love it, dude. Y'all got on Land man, right? Yeah.

We got we got on Land man, dude. It's pretty cool. How'd you Well, you weren't personally on it. No.

Our music we had we had two songs on it. We had no vacancy and boomtown. And I was really like The whole time that the whole Yellowstone thing was happening, you know, like with Shane and Tanner and Zach all being on there and their careers exploded. I was like, man, I really wish we could get on that Yellowstone show.

And then never asked us to do anything or never asked for any of our music. And I was like, oh, all right. Well, then the Land man we heard about the Land man show coming out and it's like, oh, it's based in Midland Odessa. It's about the oil field and I was like Hey, man.

We kind of fit that now. Like you kind of you kind of there's no exception to not asking us to at least put one song on there. Like we have boomtown. It's literally about working in the oil field and So, who did you do is there somebody that you pitched that to or you tell Uh we have a management we're part of a management group out of Nashville Major Bob Music and Bob Doyle and Associates it's the same company basically.

And uh So, you pushed to like get on there. You're like, we need to freaking make this happen. Well, they I guess they were reaching out to bands and stuff like that and we were we were one of the bands they reached out to and our management got in contact with them and said, hey, and they were like, yeah, we're interested in putting a couple of their songs on or really any song you'd like us to put on there, let us know because we're trying to fill up the music in the show. And we're like, hell yeah, finally.

Like we get to be on TV. So, it was it was awesome, man. But do you even know when you start that process? Do you even know which song like They told us.

Okay. Yeah. Or where or did you get to see the episode before it came out? No, I never got to see the episode before it came out.

I literally watched it when everybody else did at the premiere. where it was going to be used or how or No. Did it surprise you? Kind of.

It's weird that's another thing that was weird to me, too, is hearing your song like in a show. Like you hear other people's songs in the show and you're like, oh, that's badass. That fits perfectly, man. Hell yeah, good for that guy.

And then you hear yours and you're like what, dude? Hell no. But after you after seeing it that part slowly faded away and I was like, oh, this is cool. I like this.

I don't I don't I don't know if our music would fit in any other shows, but this fits. It feels good. how authentic to a West Texas uh I don't know oil and gas, dude, jamming your tune. Like that's I mean, that's about as I mean, they're all listening to it.

Oh, yeah. They're 100% going down the road listening to your music. Yeah, and man, like those the people in West Texas, too, are like we get it all the time. Like people are like, we can't believe you're putting it on for West Texas.

You're getting stuff done. Like we this is so crazy that this is all happening and we're like, yeah. Like it's awesome to be able to do all this. Like be on a TV show basically about where we come from and be treated like this huge artist that gets to be a part of that is awesome.

Well, you're not being just treated like a huge artist. You are enormous. For real. It's wild.

Thank you, man. Yeah. And congrats. Thank you.

Yeah. Don't let anybody like make you think it's not. I don't know. People are weird.

Yeah. This dude is weird. If there's one thing we take away from this podcast is that people are definitely weird. Dude, people are freaking I'm weird.

Me, too. But the jealousy envy thing I just didn't get that bug, thankfully. I'm really happy to. And it's actually been interesting now to be around some people that are far more successful than me.

And I was kind of curious if I might like even studying myself analyzing myself, I was kind of curious like cuz writing with some big artists and stuff and like you stand side stage and there's like they're in front of 20,000 people and you just spent 5 hours writing songs with them that if they cut one of those songs like no one will know that you were a part of it, right? So, you're kind of curious like, well, will I have an ego about that, you know? And so it's like standing side stage, I sit there and think like, well, if they were playing one of the songs that we wrote like would it bug me or would I ever stand there and be like, man, that should be me? And I just don't have that.

I would I've like I found my and I was excited, too, where it was like I think that's part of being like of vices, but that's just not one of them. But that I think that's part of being a true like songwriter, you know, is it's about the song and you know, especially when you write with people, especially if you're writing for somebody else so you know, like, hey, I'm not going to be singing this song, somebody else is. I think it's super cool to I'm less envious and more happy that, oh, look at this thing that me and this guy created and now it's become this huge deal. Yeah.

And that and to me like I'm sure it's the same with you. That's enough. Yeah. For me at the end of the day where I'm like, oh, that's awesome.

That's really cool. Yeah, cuz there's some people that there it's just all about the result or the attention they get because of it as opposed to if you do something really dope that people like, you'll get some attention. Yeah. That's great.

people some people wouldn't know. That's one of the things I always do, too, when I listen to music now and thankfully you can do it on Spotify is you can go look at the artist credits and see who wrote everything and produced it and Yeah. Yeah. And it's always cool to be like, oh, [expletive] I'm you know.

It's like the liner notes of a CD. Yeah. Like, oh, [expletive] no [expletive] he [expletive] wrote the song with that guy. I wish you could get more.

Yeah. Like I wish you knew who mixed it and like who the guitar player was and like but I don't know that I don't know why they would that on there. All right, cool. Well, have a good show.

Thanks for letting us do this. Dude, anytime. I love I love [expletive] like this. Yeah.

And yeah. I love your music. I love this podcast and anytime you want to have me on, man, I'd be happy to try to make it work. Well, we're going to follow you to every show now.

Okay. We're going to I'm going to get out there and freaking kick somebody in the face in the crowd. Yeah, you should, man. You go stage dive or something.

Singing Judy.