Tanner Usrey

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Purple in the canyon. That's where I dude. Then here we are now. We got Booger.

Now we got Stu Studio. It is gnarly, too, that we've always lived so close together. I know. And then we never really hung out at all.

Yeah. They don't like me. Well, I wouldn't say that. Sick.

No. We've known each other for a long time. So yeah, I think I was there whenever you did the uh the RGT song competition. You won it.

You were in it? No, you were you and I was with Colton Ays Tina. Now wait, what? Colton Ays.

Why do I not Why is that not ringing a bell? I don't know. What's the last name? Ayes.

Ay. He was like tall with long hair. Yeah. Huh.

But I don't know. I sound like a douche now. Yeah. a [expletive] [expletive] Wouldn't be the first time.

No, that's the first time I met you. Uh, I think so. But you already had music out ago. Uh, I think I was just starting to release music.

I might add one song. That was it. But yeah, here we are. What song was it?

Daytona Nights. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So, what?

2017. Yeah, I think so. Damn, that was a long time ago. Yeah, but it still doesn't even I don't know.

I guess now it's a long time ago. Yeah, it doesn't register that uh 2020 was six years ago. No. Yeah, it's been six years.

Yeah, we went through some weird times. Well, you would have dealt with the same thing. Yeah. Sort of.

When So, when did you put out your first record? Uh I put my that Medicine Man EP out uh 2019 right after I quit my job, my full-time job um to play music 2019. And then [expletive] CO happened. Yep.

And then that I think that's when we did the podcast because that was the only thing we could do. Yeah. But you were already having a lot of success. Yeah.

At that point I put out my first record in 2019, too. I think it was about the same time. Yeah. That all blurs.

Kind of. But yeah, I was like late on it. It took me like most of my 20s to uh get remotely good enough Yeah. to put anything out.

Yeah. I felt too How old are you? 35. Okay.

Yeah. I'm 32 now. Damn. And we're old, man.

Even when I was in my early 20s, I just never really thought that much about age. Yeah. Like I'd hang out like if somebody was cool, like I just I don't know. I freaking hang out with I've always gotten along with people regardless.

Doesn't matter. Yeah. Like even it's I don't know. I just kind of age is such a weird thing.

It's just like some people did it before other people. That's a good Connor from the drop time says time is not a line. It's a or it's not a river. It's an ocean.

Speaking of drugs, let's get into that. Speaking of drugs, let's get into the ocean time thing. Well, yeah, that it's like it's all around you and it's moving with the We're all soup. Did we do Did we do drugs?

I don't know. Maybe the alternate reality version of us did. This little freaking fridge sig is hitting hard, dude. Bastard.

All I wanted was a freaking diet. A little fridge cigarette. And he took the last I felt so bad. I offered it.

That's okay. But my lips had touched it already. I'm actually going to I'm going to sell it. I thought the value would go up if I already drank off it.

Get your DNA and sell it. That's hot. Yeah. Yeah, it is.

Yeah, it's uh yeah, age is an interesting thing. Like if you're if you're a douchebag, you're a douchebag, right? I would meet people in my early 20s that were older than me and I'm like, "That person's a douche." You know, you meet somebody that's your age and you're like, "This person's a douche."

Yeah. Or you meet people that are cool. I don't know. I just have always I've I also always enjoyed good people are good people.

Yeah. Just like we were talking about. Yeah. And there's like a there's a younger generation too that I actually find to be like pretty like a lot of the Gen Z stuff they're funny.

Yeah. Like they have a lot of phrases and stuff that I think is hilarious. There's also like a segment of society that's actually like more traditional and conservative than like my generation ever was. It's almost like Z.

Yeah. Yeah. Like the pendulum always swings. Oh, for sure.

And uh I think they observed some things that they were like uh I don't want my life to be like that. Right. All right. So, they kind of like going the other direction.

Well, in the state of the world, it's so black and white, it seems like, you know. But I have a booger. No. Do I?

There's a trick question. That's Booger. Oh, yeah. I guess you do have a booger.

Oh, see. Test failed. Booger and Top Chico. Tyler Halbertson's little wiener dog would get along.

Is that what he named it? Typo Chico. We were at I was with him in Nashville. He was He brought his wiener to the bar.

A wiener dog. Let's specify. Clarify. Clarify that.

How old is his dog? I don't know. How old is that wiener? How old is that wiener?

Um, what did you think about your last record, man? Uh, I think that was probably my favorite group of songs I've released so far. I think I really I did it with Dave Cobb. Um, and working with him is just it was a dream come true obviously, but he really Who's Dave Cobb?

Just some dude. No, for real. Tell me. I mean, like I I was like, wait, hold on.

What? No. Uh, he's a producer. He's the best producer.

He's a really good producer. What's he known for? uh Stapleton and uh Whiskey Meyers and Jason Isbel, but he was he did such a good job at like capturing my voice. Um that I feel like before that I hadn't really been able to do that the way I wanted it to.

Like I wanted to show people I got big voice, you know? Um and uh also the writing like just writing was on point for me. But yeah, I'm uh I was really happy with it for sure. Um how do you feel like he captured your voice different than before?

He did we did it live like completely live. No click track and it was like he would go through and run the song with the with the with the musicians and then we would play it like three times and he'd be like, "Tanner, by the way, that was your take." He's more about capturing the moment of instead of like the perfect cut or the perfect take. So it's like you don't have to go back and do it.

You don't go back and do it, you know, 15 tries. Yeah. It's uh you don't realize what you're doing, but you're doing it, you know. But did were there songs that does he have that moment with every song or are there songs that are like, man, I just don't feel like we got it?

No. every song. Yeah, it's pretty cool. Cool.

Cool watching them work for sure. Yeah, that's interesting. Yeah. Yeah.

But Okay. So, were there any like overdubs or anything? Uh we'd go back and like, you know, uh what's it called when you stack them? Yeah, like double track stuff.

Yeah, double track. Yeah. Yeah. Uh double tracks and stuff and harmonies.

Obviously some of the stuff you know you got to fix a little bit but pretty much the what you got from the take was what we rolled with you know and that was at the RCA studios. Uh I did it did half of it in Savannah and then half of it in RCA. He's got like a house studio on the on a river uh in Savannah, Georgia. Yeah.

It's badass. Really? Oh yeah. So what' y'all do there?

Uh everything we I think we did like four songs, five songs there. Tracked the whole band. Yeah. Oh yeah.

It's crazy. And so you use all your guys? Uh for this record I used uh his musicians. Okay.

Um look at Chris Pal was on drums and Leora Powell was on uh guitar and stuff and Dave played a lot of the guitars too. Um, but yeah, I was I was like, I'm gonna listen to what Dave's what Dave what Dave says for. Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, for sure.

How what's the process like before going into the studio when he like listens to the songs? Do you do demos? Do you uh just he just a little acoustic demo and he really figures it out? He just he comes up with like musical parts that never would have thought of.

So yeah, pretty cool. Yeah, that would be like a huge bucket list for me. Yeah, he did the Red Clay Stray stuff, too, right? Yep.

They're coming up with a new record, I think, soon. Oh, are they? Yeah. But, uh, what are you like jamming right now?

Do you listen to much music? I'm trying to get back into listening to music that I like again, you know? It's just it's hard to, you know, there's so much music to consume right now, obviously. Um, but I'm on the drop times right now big time.

Um, Taylor Honeyut. Love her. Um, guy named Timmy Skellyy. He's uh, he's got like Evan Honer vibes.

I don't know if you No, Evan. Oh, yeah. Um, but yeah, really I'm trying to like go back and find records that I really loved whenever I first started getting into playing and stuff just to kind of get back to the roots of it. So, how about you?

Uh, I listen to like a ton of instrumental stuff. Yeah. Just listen to like a lot of If I'm listening to music, there's I guess it's different phases. If I'm just hanging out with people and it's background music, I just want something fun.

Yeah, for sure. And so I listen to some pretty weird stuff. But it just needs to be fun and flowy and grooving. Yeah.

But if I'm alone like actually listening um it's kind of gotten now we went through it's weird like when we were growing up lyrics didn't seem to matter very much and there was like some really at least for like popular music. Yeah, for sure. It's like songs were pretty lyrically shallow. Yeah.

And uh and so I definitely gravitated towards more singer songwriter stuff and folky stuff. Yeah. Meaningful lyrics. Yeah.

And then now that pendulum is swung where it's like everybody's just trying to write something that's like super heavy, so profound. Yeah. And then now I've gotten a little and I've tried to do that too, you know, which it's got its place and it's cool and uh and then now I've gotten to the point that it's starting to get like a little almost not annoying, but I'm just it just doesn't sound fresh to me anymore. It's like I just don't need to hear another song about like how bad you have it and just so heartbroken.

How [expletive] up you are. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. And so now I'm like gravitating towards stuff that's just fun.

Your new stuff that I told you is like sound like Black Rebel Motorcycle Club. Oh, yeah. Thanks. So good, dude.

Thanks, man. So good. Yeah. So it's that also figure it's weird, dude.

At least for me, like the type of music that I thought I would make, right? Like I don't know. Oh, it's like you have all these thoughts about what you would sound like, should sound like, and then the further you get into it, you're like the thing that feels the most authentic and the most um easily accessible is often times the stuff that you're like, really? Yeah, this is I would have wouldn't have thought that this is where there's no genre anymore.

like their genres are so blended and like I've always had the philosophy of, you know, don't make a certain type of music. Do what the song needs to be or make the song be what it needs to be. That's why I like I feel like I've done a pretty like I can do the rocking stuff and do the soul kind ofish stuff and I can also do the singer songwriter stuff. Like it's you got to be a jack of all trades, I guess.

I don't know. Yeah. I've always been envious of your sound at times because you uh I just I like to tinker. Yeah.

And u me too, dude. That's this. And but you've always kept that freaking like I've definitely missed the market times where stuff's gotten a little bit too probably like polished or something. Uh and you've always kept that like grittiness to it and it comes off as just sincere.

Yeah. And lively, you know, and so then Yeah. I mean like this last music that I'm putting out in this last record, I'm going to put out a new another record, too, that's definitely in that vein. Yeah.

It was all about just like trying to capture like a band in a room. Yeah. Not get in the way of it. Yeah.

That's music has gotten too perfect. Recorded music has gotten like it's too perfect. I listen to stuff now with tuning on the vocals and I'm just like what are we doing? Why?

It's not supposed to be perfect. Well, and the people sing Keith Richards give gave a [expletive] like when we're talking about singers that are really great or like uh some of these people that they put tuning on, I'm like why? This person's awesome. Yeah.

You take a bunch of acoustic instruments that are recorded live. Like a guitar, you play a guitar right here, even if it's in tune. Yeah. Like there's still it's gonna sound It's not going to sound perfect.

Not technically, not according to a computer, right? Uh and there's compression in the room, there's things that happen and then you throw other the way [expletive] moves like Yeah. It's that's why I like doing recording with Dave is it was it not perfect. It's It sounds old school, you know.

I know. Yeah, that is the timeless music. That's what has that element to it. It's got to be humans.

And then now more than ever with competing against AI. Yeah. Don't even get me started on that. They're taking our water.

Well, so to answer your question, some of the music that I'm gravitating towards is stuff that probably five years ago I wouldn't have liked because it's so kind of erratic at times and it's just so human and there is a lot of imper I guess imperfections, but there's just things that don't make sense. There's a lot of surprises in it. That's music that I'm gravitating towards because it at least shows me that it's not formulaic and generated by a computer. Yeah.

You know, you think AI is going to take our job? Not ours. Yeah, there's AI can't AI can't [expletive] play a show. So, I guess there's that.

Well, even the stylistically the music that I've always tried to make and the music that I gravitate towards isn't stuff that it's great at making. Maybe it'll get there. I thought AI would like if anything it would take over the dubstep thing and like EDM stuff. It is.

But that's the first stuff to go. The super electronic stuff. Yeah. Things that the music that we never really liked.

The super formulaic generic pop crap, right? Uh and I like some pop music. Yeah. But the pop music Carpenter, unreal, dude.

Manchild is my jam. Oh yeah. Manchild. Love it.

What she say? [expletive] my life. I like my boys. Let the boy cook.

Let him cook. That's right. That's right. Should we put our shades on?

You want to? No, I'm just kidding. Steve, shades. I feel like it's Sir.

Sir. Steve. Shades. I don't know why, but I feel like if I'm on your podcast, I feel like I got to have shades.

Oh, no. Is it intimidating? I don't want it to be intimidating. No, not intimidating.

It's just like I always see in your shades. You kind of feel cool. Yeah. Feel like you're in your That's right.

Dude, I'll tell you what. With them freaking turquoise or his rings. That's right. You got to say, don't tell Casey Donahghue, he hates them.

Why? I don't know, man. He got something against jewelry. You do need to fix your glasses, though.

They're crooked. Damn. I mean, if we're going to be cool, you got to be real cool right now. Uh, you got to tilt them.

Tilt them to your left. Oh, daddy. Oh, [expletive] I'm almost there. Do it again.

You're in trouble. Why? So yeah. Oh, this is this is Yeah, we look cool.

Yeah, we look cool as [expletive] dude. Uh I look like an idiot, but No, you look great. Thanks, man. Say it again.

You look so good. Whoa. I didn't uh We're going to have to take five. I didn't say like say it low and slow like that.

Sorry. You look You look great. Yeah. See, I like the rings.

I like people just doing their thing, man. I'm style. You got style, man. Why?

Well, you know, come on. I mean, I'm pretty unoriginal at times. That is for sure. Yeah.

No, you're cool. Yeah. Also, you look great. Thank you.

It's like we're in a [expletive] repeated loop now. But yeah, like somebody not liking your rings, I think they're freaking cool. No. Yeah.

I just can't pull them off. Yeah. I think it takes a lot of confidence to respect it. Yeah.

You got to do everything with confidence. That's all. Confidence is key. Yeah.

But very elusive. Yeah, that's Yeah, that is. At least for me at times. Same.

But this whole idea that like I don't care what anybody thinks, man. Shut the [expletive] up. Yes, you do. Yeah, I don't know about all Yeah, you do.

Yeah, you're Yeah. I just think there it's not that black and white. There's varying degrees of caring. Like I don't give a [expletive] about people commenting on the internet.

No. Like No, but if you get enough of them True. where it's like this guy is a douche. It's like you don't think that's going to somehow affect you at all.

Come on. Like some dude my favorite thing is whenever like people are like they call me fat. I'm like yeah no [expletive] dude. People what do you mean on the internet?

Yeah on the internet. I'm like we're making comments about me being fat. Like it's not a [expletive] secret you know. Oh yeah.

That's so funny. Uh, I got the same with like covering Marty Robbins songs or like Dean Martin and like people will comment and be like they'll be like not as good as Marty and I just put on there like shocking news out of Delaware. Yeah, dude. Jared Morris doesn't sound as good as Marty Robbins.

Yeah, Tanner's fat. Yeah, no [expletive] dude. I like to eat, man. Come on.

Like what? Eaters gonna eat. We started on the podcast when people do um negative comments. We started to we'll just like Mike and I were talking about it like a couple months ago.

Uh I just pulled up snapple. com and uh and it has like a random uh Snapple fact generator and I just shuffle through them and find something funny and it'll just be like this guy wearing his glasses and he ain't no cowboy. He's a douchebag. He's the worst person in the world.

And then like underneath it we just comment and it's like spiny lobsters migrate group of 50 platypus. Yeah, exactly. The duck build platypus and that's all we do. And then they just lose their mind, dude.

I've started I should but I've started commenting back. I'm like you can get caught up in that [expletive] so fast. But I just did I just don't take it serious. No.

Yeah, exactly. I don't I don't take it serious but like just positive comments. I'm like oh this is a normal human. Yeah, for sure.

Yeah. Like really, dude? You're commenting, you're spouting off [expletive] to a random stranger on the internet that you don't know who's cooler than you. I do think I had to work through the idea of um you know, when you when you hear people that don't know you have such strong opinions about you.

Yeah. I had I definitely had to work through that's something Yeah. cuz I don't ultimately care what they think cuz they don't know me. Yeah.

But you didn't get the ch like Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. You didn't get the chance to.

I'm like, "Oh, but if you did, I would." Right. But then at the same time, I'm like, I don't think I want to get to know somebody like that. I know who the [expletive] I am.

For sure. You know, and I don't really want to hang out with somebody that's that opinionated about people they don't know, right? That's a weird energy. Yeah.

Are my glasses still crooked? Uh, I mean, you could you could bump them to the left again a little bit. The rubber stopper on the nose thing is it Excuse me. the little thing.

Oh, did it come off? Yeah, it came off. Oh, wait a second. I got an idea.

Hold on. Oh, pull the rubber off. That's right. Oh, practice safe sex, kids.

Whoops. Remember that one time I accidentally spit beer in your face? That was not that long ago. Not that long ago.

Yeah. But what was that a bit? That wasn't even a big deal. you just like I was laughing because you're so because you're so funny.

Thank you. Uh yeah. Well, at that same time there was probably somebody looking at me going that guy's such a douchebag. At the same time you're going to he's really funny.

Yeah. So there's somebody else saying that I hate that guy. You have the ying and the yang. That was the I can't remember what we were talking about, but yeah, you did.

You did spit. You spewed the geyser beer. I spewed on your [expletive] fa. I spewed I spewed on Put that rubber bag on.

I spewed on Jared Morris's face. Oh my gosh. Say it slower. I spewed Can you do it with like a British accent?

I spewed on Jared Morris's face. By order the peaky [expletive] blinders. a bottle that you wanted. So, in high school, I got kicked out of uh I don't want to say what class, but I got kicked out of a class because uh the teacher I got in trouble for something and she had said some I can't remember exactly what she said.

It was something like you are being bad today or like you are terrible today, whatever. And I just go oh say it slower. And then like of course the whole class laughed and uh and she was like, "Excuse me." And I was like, "Oh my gosh, maybe do it like with a British accent."

And then I got I got kicked out. It was funny. She laughed. It was funny.

But then yeah, I definitely got in trouble for that one. I really I wasn't like a bad kid, though. You know, just sometime, you know, it was the intrusive thoughts won in that moment. Oh yeah.

I think I was kind of the same way. I'm sure. Not that funny, though. You're Well, you I think you're just able to You're just more mysterious.

I'd struggle with mystery. Mystery. I just wear it on my sleeve. Yeah.

I don't know. I don't know if I'm mysterious. As he as he sits there with dark shades. You got dark shades on, too.

Uh, no. I'm pretty much a pretty much an open book. You know, I'm a fun guy. Well, I didn't say you I don't [expletive] know what we're talking about.

I didn't know I didn't say you weren't fun. You're super fun. But yeah, you definitely have an element of this. You Yeah.

See, you can you just, you know, wear it a little tighter to the vest. Yeah. I'm I need to shut up most of the time. Like I need to be told, "Hey, dude, chill."

I do, too. That's You can take it too far sometimes. I can. Not too far.

Well, it depends on what we're talking about. Like, we're talking about drinking and drugs. You got Cut that. Cut that.

You could You could take that too far. Yeah. Well, I've got really bad FOMO. I've got the worst FOMO.

Really? I'm always the Yeah. I'm always the last man standing cuz you know, you might you might miss something if you if you go to bed early, you know. Have you always been like that?

Oh, yeah. Big time. Well, I don't sleep very much anyways like or I don't sleep at night really. I'm like I'm I feel like I'm nocturnal.

Um, so it's like I'm already going to be up anyways, so it's like, let's hang out. What's going on? Yeah, let's hang out. I love hanging out, dude.

The first time we did the podcast, you remember we went over there to Oh, yeah, we did. Gosh, boy. Would it like freaking I don't even remember what they called it? What place was that?

Yeah, it like used to be a frillies. It used to be a little barbecue joint here. Yeah, it's like But then it ended up turning pool and they were doing karaoke. We did do that.

Oh my god, I wish there was video of that. Did we do karaoke? I think we did. I think you did.

That terrifies me. I love karaoke. I love so nervous. No, you get nervous at karaoke.

No question, dude. Nothing beats Nothing beats Have you ever been to Mile Zero? Have you been to Mile Zero yet? Fest.

Um, working on it. Nothing beats 400 a. m. karaoke with the boys at Rick's at Mile Zero.

It's the best. 4 a. m. 4 a.

m. Smile Zero is a 4 a. m. town.

Can I want to guess what your karaoke song is? All right. It's a female. Nope.

Nailed it. Off to a great start. Well, at least that was going to If I got that one right, you know, it was going to narrow some things down. So, it is a dude.

Yeah. Boring. I wanted it to be, you know, like Shaniah or something. Adele.

That would be sick. Pull. Adele. Yeah, that's a big one to do.

Do Adele, I think. What's the What's the karaoke song? Go to I thought you were guessing. Well, I got it wrong.

I got the first thing wrong, so now it's not fun. We are all [expletive] day. Uh. Never been to Spain.

Elvis, I don't even know that song. Yes, you do. Never been to Spain. Yeah.

Well, I never been to Spain, but I kind of like the music. Say the ladies are insane. Yeah, I know the song. You just want me to sing, huh?

Hey, look. Uh, I actually I actually don't know it, but uh we're attached to a cigar bar here where we shoot this and the owner over there is super cool. Uh, Chad Chief cigar bar. Um, shout out.

Yeah, he uh dude, is this too [expletive] The your chest button? Yeah. No, the chest or the shirt. It was just [expletive] enough.

Oh, yeah. Everything for you, buddy. Did you say zlutty? Zlutty.

Zatty. Zutty. Zatty. So, we were sitting over there and Chad's like he's wicked smart, knows so much stuff, but he's pretty you can like you basically he's relatively easy to rage bait, right?

We actually did for Micah's birthday, we did a cover band. We played like a bunch of alt9s bangers over there one night. Oh, yeah. Uh and like we came up, our band name was what was it like?

Uh Dirt McGurt and the Rage Baits or something. Yeah. Anyways, or Rage Baiting Chad was going to be my punk band. rage baiting Chad.

Oh yeah. And so I was sitting over there one night and he brought up Journey Don't Stop Believing for at some point because we always sit over there and listen to music and he goes, "You know, does Don't Stop Believing." And I go, "What? Huh?"

And he goes, "The Journey song." And I was like, "I don't think I know that one." He was like, "Stop. You I know you know that."

And I was like, "What does it sound like?" Talk about like my whole goal was just to get him to sing the chorus, you know? And I was like, "I really don't think." And he started singing it and I was like, "Maybe I know it."

I'm like, "What is the chorus like?" And then he I ended up getting him like sing the chorus. And halfway through the chorus, I just kind of like started to smile. And he was like, "Son of a bitch."

I love doing that [expletive] It's the best. Did you get your buddy to sing almost half of Don't Stop Believing. But I really haven't heard the Something in Spain Elvis thing. Yeah, you have.

Yes, you have. Where's my phone? Is my phone back there? Well, I never Here we go again.

Yeah. I don't I my favorite is freaking Heartbreak Hotel. Yeah. When he's wearing the leather jacket in Have you watched that show?

He's like in that circular stage uh with the movie or the uh actual No, no, when he does the song. I think it's like in 69 or something. Uh nice, nice. Get that copyright strike.

Yeah. What a Do people know that really well? I think so. Yeah.

Steve says, "Yes, that's uh that's mine." So, like when you when you do that karaoke are people are like, "Oh, yeah." Yeah. Really?

Yeah. Interesting. Me and Chase Saty, that's our that's mine his thing from Shane. Uh, we also do Nice and Slow by Usher, but that's me.

I don't even think I know that one. Urcher 7 o' top. We just sing for an hour on the podcast and just random songs. There is a cool podcast that I can't remember what it's called where they do they sing on it.

They get a bunch of people to You know what I'm talking about? Yeah. Oh yeah. Uh with uh Jake Isbel, I think.

So somebody just ripped up and he's like going crazy. Yeah, cuz some sometimes they nail it. Yeah, it's got to be hard to do. You just like have SM7s and Yeah.

direct with an acoustic and can't hear each other. Yeah. Speaking of acoustic, you like trains and rocks. Did you say speaking of acoustics?

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Ah, artistic.

See, I Yeah, I'm not that artistic. I'm not that kind of artistic. Yeah. Well, when you hear Okay, so everybody unanimously across the board has gotten frustrated at how loud trains are going through town at this point with the technology that we have.

It's pretty archaic and it's ridiculous that they need to honk that horn a million times. Oh man, I like going through town. I love trains because at that point and you honk that horn that many times if you're going to get hit like Yeah. You had it coming.

You're going to hear that train coming, right? It's rolling around the bend. Yeah. And like sometimes it might be dark, but for the most part like you probably haven't seen the sunshine in like I don't know when.

Yeah. Speaking of trains, let's talk about how the public transportation system in this country. We had it set up to travel so fast across the country on bullet trains. Reach.

Then the highway the highway [expletive] thing. The automobile industry made highways. Ruined it. We had it set up.

Why? Why do we make all the train tracks? Well, now it's just for trans. It's for uh cargo.

Yeah, we had we had it. We had a way to be all public transit. I don't know. And then onto something, but Well, you sort of are.

Yeah. And then we made it more inefficient with roads, right? Are they harder to maintain? They got to be than railroad tracks.

You think it's more expensive to maintain roads than railroad tracks? For sure. Yeah, there's way more of them. And they're not Well, the roads in Texas are just atrocious.

Not as bad as Louisiana. I was about to say Louisiana's pretty bad, dude. Louisiana is absurd. How Kansas has some pretty good roads.

So does Colorado. Yeah, Colorado's got great roads. All that What's all that uh weed money? They were I think when you go up north though, I think they have to build the roads better just because the ice and the snow.

Oh, that's true. Yeah. And then down here they just No, you're telling me like why can't whatever happened to going across the country on a train, you know? Have you done it?

No. It can be pretty cool cuz they ruined it. Yeah, you can still do that for sure. Oh [expletive] Oh yeah.

Yeah, it's really cool. Oh, have you done it? I've never done it like across the country, but I've taken train trips. Damn.

It's even something it can be fun even if you're just like going up to freaking OKC. It's like just take the train. Yeah. You know, it's cool.

Oh, they have like a little uh little bar. Yeah, you got a bar. You do. You won't have to You don't have to drive.

Oh, unless they want you to drive that train, right? That'd be cool. Hey, you can't go you can't [expletive] that up. Well, you just destroy a small town.

Well, you know, the kids that were into trains growing up, like those are the guys that are the engineers. Yeah. And you gave them a giant horn and a and a million ton vehicle. Yeah.

And Yeah. They're excited every time they go into Yeah. to just blare it as many times as possible. And why I do think that the guys, for whatever reason, the ones that are driving at like 4:00 a.

m. they honk them more. Why do they do that? Is it a flex?

It might be. Do you think it's like a power thing? Cuz it's absurd sometimes. And as you can tell, surely there's not government regulations on how many times you had to blow a horn.

This is also You can definitely tell my income level throughout my life. Like I've, you know, been around a lot of trains at this point. You ever hopped one? No.

Always wanted to do that. Um, no. I've thought about it. I've hung around some train tracks.

Yeah. A lot of homeless people. Oh, yeah. Uh it seems like it's a different type of person though than the person who's like in downtown Dallas.

Yeah. The the person that's rural like living in the barage. They want they just that's they're just living free, man. It's probably the same as like city folks compared to country folks.

Like you got city hobos and you got country hobos. And the country hobos are a little bit more like I'm just living free. Hey, I got an extra can of beans. Yeah.

You want some? Yeah. You know the city ones are a little weirder. Oh, big time.

Yeah. You need to get rural. Get out there. See the world.

Yeah. On a train if you want. If you want. Like they don't scare me as much when you when you see a homeless person in the country.

Americ hobo and a crackhead. Yeah. I mean, I think so. The dudes that are dumping in the streets in Austin.

Oh, dude. So bad. I was I was in LA one time. I'm not making fun of the homeless, but there was this there was this lady that walked into Panda.

We were all eating Panda and she was like asking for food. And I was like, "Yeah, I'll get you a meal." And then she was like, "Want this, this, this, this, and this." I'm like, "Dude, I was going to get you a [expletive] plate."

And that's like, "Sure, take the whole menu." Uh, like that's fine. And then she like took a dump in the street. What?

Yeah. That was such a quick she took the she took the food outside and then she took a dump in the street and I was like right there in front of God and everybody. God and everybody. You when did you look away?

It's like a train track. It's like a train wreck. You can't look away. Oh, I'm just kidding.

How long? Okay, let me ask you it different. How long did you look? I just I just saw what she was doing and I went on about my business.

I was like, for how long? How long is it appropriate? Look, dude, don't Hey, I'm asking the questions. Two seconds.

Don't pull me into this. two seconds. I looked for two like Okay. Yeah.

Like that's happening. So, was it right out in front of the door? Uh, no. It was in the street.

She like on a street corner where people are like in the crosswalk and nobody says anything. Nobody says anything. What are you going to say? Hey, stop that.

Quit pooping. It's like the first time we ever went to New York. Quit pooping. The first time we ever went to New York, we were in the van and we parked it and we come back and somebody [expletive] on our front bumper.

What an unsettling spot to do that. It's not like it's like it's not short. It's like on the bumper. Yeah.

On the front bumper on the Texas license plate. So, I wonder if they leaned up against the hood. They got on the hood like I don't know how the gymnastics that would have had to What a weird spot. Yeah.

Not that I'm pro pooping on any vehicle. Yeah. I know. It's just that's a little weird.

Uh but I always I always go back to the thought of like, man, if I would have walked up on somebody [expletive] on her bumper, what would I have done? Cuz like you can't just go push them over cuz they're going to get [expletive] on your [expletive] on they're going to [expletive] on you. Yeah. Depending on the velocity.

Correct. The Borealis the Boralis. Yeah. Boralis effect.

the erosion factor in the wind tunnel. Uh like you can't you can't go interrupt them. You can't go push them off the off the bumper cuz you're going to get [expletive] on. It's like you just sit there and just angrily sit there and stew while they make their own stew on your hood.

Oh, it was Stewie. Oh, yeah. It was Where was it? New York.

Oh my goodness gracious. That was our That's So I mean that's illegal. That's got right. It's New York.

But to defecate on somebody's property. Yeah, sure. But what are they what are you what are you going to do about it? Dude, you should you should have freaking [expletive] on their [expletive] Showed them.

I don't think they had very much [expletive] to [expletive] on. Or no, I meant like more literally. Oh. Oh, assert dominance.

Lip lift your leg up. [expletive] assert dominance. If it was going to poop on my car, it's going to be me. Yeah, you can't poop on my car.

I already pooped on my car. You already pooped on it. Boy, I bet you this bet you this is not what we thought we were going to talk about today. That's exactly why I brought you here.

You see my notes? Yeah. Yeah. It just It just says poop.

Just poop. Poop and trains. pooping trains. Dude, the trains piss me off.

I'm telling you, it should have it could have been way more efficient. Why do we not have a train a 200 mph bullet train that goes from here to Austin or here to a Houston? I mean, we do. We're not bullet trains.

Yeah, I'm telling you. Bullet trains. Why can Japan do it? I guess Japan's a little bit smaller, but So, we can't get this [expletive] right.

Come on. We already built the train tracks. We built the railway system. Yeah.

We're not I don't I don't know the history of it, but yeah, I would imagine there's all sorts of law autoat automobile industry. Yeah. And it, you know, it technically got maybe a little bit more convenient for a moment using vehicles and now it's just we have technology to make it make trains 250 miles an hour. Yeah.

And we can we can get And I'm sure you have the airline industries that don't want that either. Oh, that's true. Uh, that's what ruined it is airline industry. I hate Speaking of the Oh, I wanted to ask you about this.

Oh, my little passport debacle. I've never [expletive] heard that. It was pretty funny. Um, I also didn't understand.

Uh, I like just posted it on my story or something and then I just put it on a real and it just went absolutely insane. Yeah. I put in the comments too. I was like, "Hey, don't anybody be weird to this guy."

People were like, "You shouldn't have blurred his face." And yeah, I probably should have. I don't even know how to do that. in there.

And I was like, it's funny like the point of it was the word that he used. And then of course, what do you say? Mangled. Mutilated.

Mutilated. This thing is mutilated. I had just flown with it to Canada. Oh, I thought not that long ago.

Yeah. And it was one of the weirdest experiences that I've ever had in an airport. Yeah. I'm not going to Canada anymore.

Because I had already made it through TSA, got my bags, got checked in, everything. And they had said something about it when I was checking in, but they were like, "Ah, it's no big deal." Yeah. And uh I had already flown with that passport before.

It's just an old passport, right? And the edges were frayed. And uh but then I got up there to the for them to check my boarding pass or whatever and it wouldn't scan, you know. And they just had to have a but it's the same thing when I was actually checking my bags.

Like they had to get a manager to say it was okay or something. And the manager guy came over there and he didn't even look at me. He just looked at the gal and he just goes, "Um, yeah, this isn't going to work. We're going to have to pull him from the flight."

And I go, "What? Jesus. I'm flying to Canada." And I was produ I was producing a record for a guy up there and uh had like That's never a good That's never a good thing to hear.

He's like, "Got a flight." He wouldn't even look wouldn't even look at me. He just goes, "We got to pull him from the flight." And I go, "What?"

And he goes, "Sir, I will handle you in a moment." I go, "Oh, whoa." And then and then he goes, "Uh, we'll pull his bag and then we'll pull him from the flight." And I go, "Hold on.

I think that was something you could say to me. I don't." And he goes, "I thought you know what's going on." He goes, "Sir, I already told you I will handle you in a moment."

I go, "Okay, okie dokie. Okay." And so he's like, "Please move over here." So I just move over to the side.

And then he just taps around on his computer for like a solid minute and a half or two minutes. Long minute. Doesn't talk to me. Doesn't make eye contact with me.

And I go, "Um, sir." And he goes, "I will handle you in a moment." And I was like, "Okay." So I just stood there in silence.

And then he finally just he just goes, "Um, okay. I can get you on another flight uh for tomorrow." Or," and I just go, "Wait, wait, wait. what is happening with this flight right now?

Yeah. And he goes, "This passport, you know, then that was like where the video happened or whatever." He's like, "This passport is mutilated." And uh and I go I go, "What?

Like it seems a bit ex seems a bit drastic, doesn't it?" He said that seems a bit extreme. And he's like, "What word would you rather me use?" And I go, "I like I don't know.

Well, use this also isn't really about me just feeling better about it. Like I'm just wanting to know what's happening right now." And uh and then he just told me he's like, "Yeah, this thing you can't fly with this. They will they'll turn you away up there."

And I'd rather get there and solve that. Have to pay a fine. And I'm just like, "All right." And then the other gal that originally like called him over there.

Uh she goes, "Uh" she goes, "You know, that's just the risk that you run traveling with a passport like that." And I go, "Look, I'm not an expert on passports." I go, "I didn't realize I was rolling. How am I supposed to know?

Jesus Christ." It was so weird, dude. And then so he just goes, "Well, you know, I can't help you. You know, you can get on another flight."

And I go, "Well, but I got to get another passport." And he goes, "Well, you might be able to get an emergency passport." I go, "How does that work? I don't know what that is."

I go, "How long does that take?" And he goes, "It usually takes, you know, uh, at least a few days." Oh my god. And I go, "Well, why am I on the flight for tomorrow then?"

I don't It was It was the essence of like gaslighting where I'm just like, "Gaslight the [expletive] out of you, dude." and C customer service now like humans are starting to talk like AI. Yes, dude. I'm convinced that they're NPCs.

It's like don't give me all they're NPCs, bro. And I'm not even like he was doing his job and I didn't even realize I guess mutilated is like a technical legal term to describe a document. That's it was just weird. I wasn't even like mad at him.

I ended up just being like, well, let's just So, so at the end of it, we stood there in So, cuz he had already scolded me enough times for talking when I wasn't supposed to talk that little [expletive] like you're a little kid. Yeah, I was, dude. I And I got little my little cowboy hat on. I just look like Woody getting scolded.

And so I just sit there and by the end of it he just he sits he is typing on his computer and then he just kind of like doesn't look at me and he just stands there and just looks kind of off and around for a solid 30 to 45 seconds and we were standing there in silence and I was just like what do I [expletive] do? I'm not kidding. It was a solid and when you're sitting in silence like that with somebody for 30 40 seconds. Yeah.

Oh yeah. Very. And then at the end of it, I just I was like, "So, what is happening? What do I do?

Is that it?" And he goes he just look he goes, "Oh, yep. I have nothing for you." And I swear, dude, [expletive] robot, dude.

Yeah, dude. It was weird. And I go I go I gotta be honest, man. I think I think there might be something wrong with you.

I said, "I'm not mad, but this is one of the weirdest experiences I've ever had with a human." And then I just kind of walked off, just shuffled off. You know, you said that, too. Yeah.

Yeah. I said, "I think there might be something wrong with you." And uh and like I totally like I'm concerned for your wellbeing. Like, are you okay?

Like treat people like this. Are you having a stroke? God damn. Yeah.

Like I could call somebody. I'm not mad, man. I'm worried. You're okay.

Like, and so I just went over there and sat cuz dude, we had a freaking band lined up. We had a studio booked. I'm like supposed to go produce this stuff. I felt terrible for the guy.

Um, shoot. I mean, it was the guy I had him on the podcast, Dallas Alexander. Uh, like I was supposed to go up there and work with him. And I felt terrible.

And so part of why I videoed it was be to send Dallas. Yeah. Like, hey, this is what just happened. Um, and so I had sent it to him.

I just went over there and sat like alone and just stared at the ground for a while. Got [expletive] scolded. Yeah, dude. It was weird.

And so my They do though, but they really do. They talk to you like you're a child. And I'm like, "Sorry, if you made every gate the same rules, you wouldn't get so many questions." And I understand that they have people that are totally just total jerks and total [expletive] and are awful to them, right?

And so I think they put up this almost thing where they just give it feels like you're talking to a software program which I understand but then I try to like hey dude I I'm just trying to figure out what I need to do. It's like flying with guitars. It's like every single time it's different and every time it's like some of you sometimes you got to gate check them sometimes you can take them on and I'm like hey it fits in the overhead. They're like no it doesn't.

I'm like yes it does. it. I do it every time. Yes, it does.

It fits. I'm like, if I had to gay check, I had to gay check it. I'd just rather not. And they're like, it won't fit.

I'm like, just the way they talk. Uh-huh. And it's like American Airlines, what the [expletive] are you going to do about it? Well, T, Dude, TSA is a weird one, too, because they TSA, what the [expletive] are you going to do about it?

They act like all of their rules and protocols are the same in every airport, and they're not. Yeah. They act like we're supposed to know. Take off your shoes.

Take off your belt. Give your social security number. Like Yeah. But then the next place you go to is like, "Leave your shoes on."

Yeah. What are you doing? What are you doing? Take your shoes off.

I told you. I didn't tell you to take your shoes. And you're like, "I'm sorry." The last place, dude.

It's crazy. It's like TSA agents don't travel. Okay. And which is an insane thought, but maybe they don't.

If they're not flying a lot, they don't realize that the difference. Maybe they go back in their, you know, go back to their charging stations at night and or like Yeah. I mean, the amount of places that like Yeah, like taking your hat off. Don't like tell don't take your hat off.

Hold it in your hand. Don't hold it in your hand. Take your hoodie off. Keep your hoodie on.

Take your belt buckle off and Oh, you can leave it on. It's just a belt buckle. Like it's literally different everywhere. I think it's meant to confuse us.

Really? I think so. To keep us just Well, it's like if they don't know what's going on, neither's the people that are doing trying to do bad things. Can you explain that differently?

I if TSA doesn't even know what's going on, neither do the terrorists. Oh, yeah. Oh, it's easier to catch somebody. Yeah, cuz they Oh, yeah.

Yeah. So, the Oh, dude, I've never thought about it that way. Think about it. Is that an obvious thought?

Like, am I just dumb? No. Okay. No, it's That doesn't seem obvious.

That's like very And I don't know. I don't That makes total sense. Like, you have to keep things if you never know what the rules are. Yeah.

Or maybe there's little things they could pick up on you, right? If you're too prepared for it, right? It's like, we need to search this guy, right? I hit I hit the last time I got patted down.

Um there was a guy like pretty close to us and then there was a dude patting me down and he goes, "Sir, I'm going to uh" he goes, "I'm going to go down your leg and your inner thigh." Um was confirming that's okay. And I go, "Just don't look me in the eye." And uh the dude standing next to me just I just got his tickle plug and he just cuz they try to be so stoic and he just he was like I need to step away for a minute.

Like he was like that was the first one I got. He should be like you should be like I'm going to get you in the inner thigh. Say please first. Yeah.

At least at least say please. Said please. You got to beg for it a little bit. Quit looking up at me like that.

Gosh dang. Yeah, he got so tickled. Just be like, "Look at me." Or Yeah.

Or make eye contact. As long as you make eye contact. As long as you make eye contact. Oh my gosh.

Tell me. Tell me how good I did. Tell me I'm pretty. Put me to bed and tell me I'm pretty.

Well, now that we cleared all that up, I catch a lot of smoke for that. Dude, I'm pretty over it. like um told you I have a hat this cuz all the [expletive] that trying to get to Mile Zero back in January cuz the ice storm and it was just like a little bit of transparency would go a long way, you know? And now they just treat you like you're a [expletive] idiot.

I'm like I'm the one that paid for the for the flight. Like it's the only customer service job where the customer is apparently not right ever. Man, there are people though that are absurdly rude. Of course, and just atrocious human beings.

Yeah. Because there's been times that I've seen people get into it and I've told somebody like, "Hey, you need to chill out." Like they're a human. Oh, yeah.

For sure. They are a person. But then it's weird when the people that are respectful are the ones that kind of get like [expletive] on the most. I don't know.

It's a weird It's like one bad apple, I guess. I don't know. Yeah. Generally speaking, or Yeah.

the flight gets cancelled and like that type of stuff where a little bit transparency. Yeah, that helps. But like the person who's not calling the shots, there's no reason to take it out on them. True.

Yeah. This was a situation where he was calling the shot. Yeah, he was. Uh it was it was Yeah, we're going to take him off the plane.

What' I do? Are you Can you say that to me? Sir, is that my other person? Uh sir, this is about me.

Like Oh, that's my bad. I'll just stand over here. My mistake. Crazy behavior.

But yeah, it's um yeah, it's like I don't know. Even the idea of posting stuff on the internet, dude. I don't know. But I feel like I did it in an okay way.

Everything weird. It was my life. It happened right there in front of me. Like that's what we had to do.

Content. It was good content. I guess I really didn't even think about it that way. [expletive] word.

Yeah. I don't know. I just post stuff about my life and where I'm at and stuff I think is cool or funny or whatever. I try to make it a point that it's not like don't get weird towards this guy.

Yeah, for sure. I saw the it went insane, so it's like I couldn't even get on Instagram. Did you delete it? No.

No. No. No. Somebody told me I should.

No. And I was like whatever. It's a It's funny. People leave their mug shots up, you know.

Yeah. Who cares? Yeah. The point was using the word mutilated.

And no, I'm not a legal. I'm not a legal document scholar. Mutilated is crazy. It's so funny.

Like when you think of mutilated, you think of just like [expletive] amputated. Like your legs are blown off. Like no, no, no. Not in this instance.

I know. I'm going to tell you right now, you get an oil change, you drive out of that parking lot, that oil is now mutilated. Okay. There's no ifands or buts about it.

Mutilated. That's crazy. You drive that car off the park off the showroom floor. Mangled.

mutated and mangled. Oh, dude. Uh, so yeah, that's my life. But I'm also an idiot, you know.

Yeah, me too. I probably should have had better documentation. No, that so what? You're well.

Traver travered traveled. This boy. Yeah, Traver. That boy's a traver.

Do y'all fly a lot? Uh, yeah, we're flying a lot right now because we're not we're doing a bunch of oneoffs. Um, other than that, we're vanning it sometimes, busting it sometimes. Um, that Cody Jinx the Cody Jinx tour last year, we definitely needed a but we did bus cuz so far it's far.

It's hard to follow like it's hard to follow a bus act in a van cuz you got to be there at noon and stuff like that. So that's an interesting thing people probably wouldn't know about is the schedules for those types of big cars. Yeah, if the drive is six hours in between, you're waking up early as hell and going. But I like the bus, but dude, nothing beats a van.

Nothing beats hopping in a van with the boys. It feels like you're in a movie. You against the world, you know? So what does the bus get?

You get too detached or something? Not detached. It's just yeah, everybody kind of does their own thing, you know. It's uh not detached, but it's also you're constantly moving.

Like in a van, you at least can go back to the hotel, sleep in a bed for a night, and then wake up and have a routine. But a bus is just constantly going. So you get there, you get your [expletive] off the bus, go shower, put your stuff back on the bus, play the show, go. It's like you never really stop.

It's probably good to jump back and forth because it keeps you fresh with like perspective. Yeah. Might make you a little more thankful. Yeah.

Like this idea that people are like losing their mind out there on the road traveling on a bus. Yeah. Yeah. When they never when they never ever such a rough life.

When they never tooured in a van. Yeah. I don't buy it, man. I think it's being soft.

I think you got too many people around you. [expletive] pay your dues, man. Well, paying your dues, there's just perspective that comes with life. Like, we're dude, we're talking about playing music.

And then there's people at a high level. They're getting paid a lot of money to go travel and play. Yeah. And it's like, well, it's like I told we were talking about earlier, we have the just being what's supposed to what's supposed to be the easiest or not, it's not easy, but the best job in the We got the best job in the world.

And some people are making it so [expletive] difficult. It's by starting beef with other people for no reason. Like people you don't know. Why?

Why? Why do you care? It's crazy. Like all tide high tides raise all boats and forgotten about that.

Oh yeah, for sure. Like we're supposed to help each other out or at least But maybe it doesn't. Or if you don't like the guy, [expletive] beat his ass or you know fight and get it over with. But online beef just I don't get it.

It is weird. I don't get it. Yeah. I've had it happen a couple times, but not like in any sort of meaningful way, right?

And then I've like tried to call people and like they won't answer your phone. Yeah. You'll talk to me on my I had a photo I had a photographer uh blow me up on Facebook in some like private message board or something. And I had other photographers send it to me because they saw him like blowing me up.

And then he made a post on like Tik Tok and Instagram and stuff like that. It was weird because he was talking about me using his photos that I didn't pay him for or something. Uh, and it was just so weird, dude. And I tried to call Did you tag him?

Huh? Did you tag him? Uh, probably. There was there was one um there was a show that I did in Fort Worth and he was like just there in the crowd or whatever and he like Man, it's kind of wild.

Should I do you want to hear this story or uh he would like take photos on his phone and he was really good. Like he had taken photos down in Fort Worth at Rhinestones and he sent them to me after the show and he had some like mutual friends of mine or whatever, but they were like shots from the crowd, you know, but they were just good. Yeah. And uh I was like, "These are sick, dude."

And I used them back then and like Yeah, I tagged them in some of them and like sometimes like whatever they're like in there and maybe you don't get tagged or something, whatever. But uh it was no big deal. Well, I ended up like having lunch with him. Like I told like nobody had really had him shoot photography for him and I was like, "Dude, you're I think you have like an eye for it.

I think you're really good." And then um he went and shot a paid show for me down in Abalene and uh I paid him for all those and um so anyways, it's like a couple year and then and then after that like something got weird and uh it whatever like something happened and I was like, "Yeah, dude. I'm like, "This is too this is too much." You wanted me to like sign a contract with him and Oh, no.

I was just like, "All right, dude. I just thought you make cool photos and I wanted to do cool stuff." So, whatever. Water under the bridge, like the guy.

I think he's good. Uh, and then like a couple years later, I guess I used a photo from that initial show that he shot. Yeah. And like I guess in that one, I didn't tag him or something.

And he like went on a freaking tear uh like just saying I like steal stuff, just this whole thing. That's crazy. And so I was like, "Okay, um, all right, let's work it out." So I texted him.

I called a friend, a mutual friend, and I was like, "Hey, what's He's kind of whacking out. Um, can you say something to him?" And I texted him, and then I called him, left him a voicemail like, "Hey, dude. Let's clear it up."

Like I don't I mean, I wasn't intending to do anything weird and I apologize if you felt that way. Never got in touch with me. Yeah. See, and it's just like, "Oh, so you just were you wanted attention or whatever.

What are you looking for?" So weird. You're not looking to resolve the problem, then what are you looking for? I know.

And so I guess it's happening like in music like that, too. Everybody, man, I don't get fighting with people, man. I don't I don't get it. I'm a lover.

Actually, if you're going to do it, do it. Yeah. Yes. Don't be talk Don't be talking [expletive] Just beat each other's ass, you know?

Well, look, bro. We're in music. We're in music. So, we've got some, you know, we've got people.

If you're calling yourself an outlaw, right, in today's day and age. Yeah. Probably not. Yeah.

If you have to say it. Yeah. That's like That's like elementary school, right? If somebody says calls themselves a badass.

Yeah. Stop, dude. Yeah. Stop.

I mean, yeah. You're not. Yeah. Chill.

We're playing music. Playing music. We're rolling in tour. I'm not, but we're rolling in tour buses playing music to thousands of people.

Yeah. We're People are paying their money that they work 40 hours a week. Think about this. People are paying money that they work 40 hours a week for to come see us, act a fool.

I know. Yeah. Yeah. And then you're going to tell them that you're like struggling with your It's like, dude, you need to get some people around you that don't Which is a struggle.

There's struggles in ways. It's the one job that you know you can be a badass at and work your ass off and not go anywhere, but it's still it still beats the hell out of a regular job. It's our world that our world is not real. Like it's not a real job.

Like there's a lot of people I talk to that are working just they're day working. They're freaking Yeah. working on oil rigs. They're underwater welding.

They're shoeing horses. They're breaking colts. Like they're doing some hard Oh yeah. work.

And uh it's like I think it's an important thing to remind yourself of. But if you only have people around you that every time you [expletive] and moan and complain, they feed into it or start [expletive] with people with you. Yeah. Right.

Right. They're just feeding into this like victimhood thing. How are you at the top and you're still a victim? Right.

The world's against you. Yeah. I mean, no, you got there like that and it's why are you complaining? Or why are you starting?

Why would you punch down if people are punching down? Like you're at the top. Why are you Why? Like I said, all high tides should be raising all boats and people want to take cheap shots at people.

And I don't know that's not what country music especially in it wasn't supposed to be is it. It's like the it's like the '9s rap feuds like except with way less Yeah, it is. Yeah, dude. Which what ended up kind of ruining it was that I mean I guess still people kind of talk about it a little bit but Yeah.

Yeah, it is a little bit like that. And it'll probably ruin it. Maybe people get too big for the bridges. Yeah.

Forget where they came from. These streets. These dec streets. These Decator streets.

Ptown. It's just crazy, dude. Roser. Like years a think about in the like my biggest concern in my life is like w not enough people listen to my art, right?

You got it pretty good. Yeah. That's your That's what you're worried about. That's your complaint, right?

Come on. Oh, though. How are these people so big? It's like, shut up, dude.

How are you How are you How do you have any modum of success, right? Cuz you already hit the jacket. I'm guilty of it. I'm guilty of, you know, uh comparing myself to other people.

It's cuz social media all day. That's what you see. And I've kind of tried to take a step back. I'm making a lot of changes this year of like with label stuff, business stuff, and it's I'm trying to get back to, hey, this [expletive] is supposed to be fun.

And it's and it's not supposed to be a [expletive] I mean, it is a business, but it's not supposed to be that way. And my job is to make art for people to listen to and put I'm trying to, you know, put the blinders on and it's easier said than done sometimes because like I said, it's constantly in your face, especially with social media and there's so many so much there's so much noise. So that's kind of what I'm focusing on is just having fun again, you know? So like in a practice, raising people up like raising my friends up and raising everybody else up and playing music with my friends.

Okay. So like kind of focusing on things outside of yourself a little more. Yeah. Well, not even that.

Let just trying to be the, you know, the instead of starting [expletive] with people. Let's raise each other up. That's it. That's what Yeah.

That's what I'm trying to do. That's what I want to do this year. Now, speaking of which, I don't like your [expletive] starch jeans. Well, hey, get me started, dude.

Ain't no cowboy. You're right. Van wearing. Dude, you know what I thought about doing actually today?

Starting your vans. Uh, well, dude, I have a pair of Air Maxes that are denim. Of course you do. I bet you those look [expletive] sick, dude.

They're not I They probably do need to starch them up. Yeah. Wish they were a little darker. Yeah.

Can you dye them? But they also it's like the denim's like not real super breathable. He's sweating, dude. So they stink.

I'm just going to call it like it is. They stink. They're tough to wear cuz they stink. Gross.

You're wearing denim shoes. Denim shoes is crazy. It's insane. It's crazy.

I'm committed. I'm committed, dude. Hey, man. Hey, beauty is pain.

What? I've always thought like starching your jeans is such a ridiculous thing to do. Yeah. Makes no sense.

I can't stand it. There's no real practicality. It feels weird to me. I just can't not do it.

Yeah, but you're also you're a horseshoeer, so it protects the jeans, right? Like that's what it's for. Totally. Like I think, dude, I have jeans that probably are worth like a thousand bucks.

Yeah. Um but like just going out, why do you want to feel all scratchy? It's not scratchy. It's scratchy.

Looking sharp, bro. Crispy. Got them crispy cowboys. Crispy jean donuts.

Maybe. I'm more of a You can dive off them. You can stand them up. Stand them up by themselves.

That's the whole thing with drinking. You get a little too drunk, you can just lean on them. They'll get you home. It's really a safety thing.

Yeah. You know what's so funny about podcasts with my friends is like I'm always it's there's so much uh it's almost like you can know somebody too much. Yeah. There's so much inside there's so much inside [expletive] that we can just go all day with and but nobody's going to know.

Well, they're probably especially with their shades on. Yeah, they're probably they're probably definitely going to know. But are you putting out music this year? Uh yeah, that's plan.

And that's what I'm doing right now is I'm just writing a bunch. Um All right. We got to do a song together. Yeah, let's do it.

That's the thing now. It is. Yeah. Doing a song with me.

Yeah. Yeah. No, the whole collab thing. Everybody's doing it.

Well, I feel like that's always been a thing. No, we don't we don't have to like do one together. I just mean, let's write one. No, we can do it together.

Oh, we could do that, too, if it if it if it's cool. Yeah, if that's like a cool thing. I'm totally down. I mean, I'm not saying no.

But I love that's like why I initially got into music was like hanging out with my friends and playing guitar and stuff. Oh, I'm in. But then it becomes such a lone wolf endeavor. Yeah.

You lose that. Yeah. I truly think that's where the happiness and joy comes from in it is the collaboration with your friends when you just get stuck doing it on your own. Like when we did that Billy Dude, having everybody up at Billy Bobs, that's [expletive] sick.

Like Yeah, man. I do have a funny story about that. Oh no. Can't share it here.

Oh, okay. I didn't really sing with you that much. No, no, no, dude. I also was sitting backstage in the chair uh when you said my name.

Uhhuh. And I was like, "What a second? Wait, what?" I was talking to somebody.

I was like, "Did they just say my name?" And they were like, "What's your name?" Uh, who are you? And then I stood up and like ran out there and then you said you're like I guess Jared's not here and then I ran out.

I'm here. Present chronically late. That's hilarious, dude. This is the first time I've ever uh been.

Oh yeah, for sure. On brand. Always late on stage, laid on his taxes. Mhm.

Don't be late on your taxes, guys. And that is really the PSA that we wanted to speak. Yeah. Pay your fees.

Pay your taxes. You know what? Taxation is theft. No.

Don't pay your taxes. Don't pay your taxes, dude. If we all just didn't at one time. Yeah.

What are they going to [expletive] do? Well, the country would collapse. Uh well, it's already doing that without us. True.

With our help. It's already doing that with our help. I saw a thing that if they took what was it like the top Well, the top one or 10% pays like the majority of the taxes already. And I think it was something like if you took all of their money, like if you taxed every person in the 1%, like 100% of their money.

Yeah. Like it wouldn't even make a dent. Not even in debt. No.

Yeah. It's crazy. Yeah. We're in we're in a weird spot.

And who the [expletive] do we owe money to? The world's in debt. Who do we owe money to? The banks because they own the Fed.

Uh Federal Reserve. The Rothschilds. Oh, maybe we don't. They print the money, charge us interest to print it.

That's right. And then they they sell us land, charge us tax to and they tax us at gunpoint because if you don't pay your taxes, you go to prison. Yeah. At gunpoint.

Robbery. It is robbery. It's actually what we fought the Revolutionary War over. Yeah.

Literally. And the taxes were significantly less. It was like only 2% of their income is what they fought a revolutionary war over. And then now most people get taxed up to like 50% of their income.

Yeah. That's assuming you don't live in a state like California. And then we pay taxes on taxes. Exactly.

the money turns over and gets taxed again. Yeah. When we buy things, we get taxed. There's parasites.

And you just have massive government organizations that the more money they spend, the bigger they get a bigger budget the next year, so it incentivizes waste. Yeah. Yeah. I'm not I'm not I'm definitely not a guy.

Did we do drugs? I am a puddle right now. I am the ocean. Same.

Same. Um All right, dude. Let's get you out of here. Thanks for hanging.

Yeah. and uh rip your shirt off. All right, see y'all. The trains, man.

The train just my rival and meow. Sing the sweet melody.