Cody Ash

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Shangling [music] underneath [music] his hand around. Yeah, he runs this podcast called Downbeat. Where's that from? Um he Well, he's from the UK, but uh he runs it out of Nashville now.

So, it was out of the UK, but now it's in Nashville. Um what's his name again? Uh Craig Reynolds. Craig Reynolds.

Yeah. Yeah. He's um he's one of the illst drummers. He was a band called Straight from the Path.

All right. So, you're going to have to forgive me though, too, cuz like cuz the metal a lot of the metal rock stuff is just not my world. Micah, though, like we grew up together. We're from like small town in Texas, and he was actually a pretty gnarly drummer himself.

And he was always for real, dude. Uh and uh he was always into like metal and like pretty heavy stuff. And I just I never quite got the bug. Yeah, I guess here in the last like I'm gradually Did I hear y'all talking about Easterling?

Yeah, that's the boy. Yeah, he's nasty. And so I met him through kind of my world or whatever, the Texas country thing. And uh and so I've been chatting back and forth with him about going to a metal show and he wants to get me out there.

Dude, you should. Yeah, you absolutely should. Yeah, I it's definitely I can appreciate the drumming obviously, but I was always like a songwriter melody type guy and so some of the stuff that was heavy where the screaming was the thing that I just couldn't, you know what I mean? Yeah.

Yeah. I think I think that happens with a lot of people and that I think that's a very normal thing that it's like it's very different at first, you know? Um, but I think like once you and I think that the initial like hesitation with it is because you hear it and you're like I don't know what they're saying or like you may you know you may not understand what's happening or what's being said or so on and so forth but um once you know dive in and start actually kind of like reading what's happening um and then you start hearing the words like through the screams and then you can start like understanding what's actually being said without even having to read stuff. So, it's like it's one of those things that it might just like maybe it takes a little bit of time or, you know, or maybe it's just something that people don't like off the cuff.

But, I definitely like it start try to like I'd read into some if there's some songs you like where the chorus is like bang because there's a lot of like heater hook choruses in rock and metal, especially nowadays. Dude, the way that they can flip a beat and like a groove and all the drops and everything just are still like mind-numbing to me, dude. It's incredible. And um and especially, you know, people are insane now.

Like people are doing so many like different poly rhythms and like modulations and all kinds of different stuff now and putting all kinds of different I wish like on the kind of folky Americana side. They would obviously the tones make the tones completely different like make them like real folky sounding but try to get inspired in terms of like how do we get into this chorus more interesting and how do we get out of it maybe a little bit more interesting? How do we make this bridge from like a metal standpoint, but purely from like a more so the part? Yeah.

Rather than the tones, I haven't really heard anybody do that because they're so clever the way that y'all Are you Are you talking about like putting in a little bit more folk e sounds into metal? Is that what you're saying? No. Vice versa.

So like putting metal into folk sounds? Yeah, but more from like an arranging standpoint. Okay. Uh, and not like not huge fills or anything, but there's just like big drops and things that like I hear that you don't hear in more that you know what I'm talking about.

Yeah. Yeah. No, I think I understand what you're saying. So, like in folk music, you're saying there's not like big drops or like some of the things that metal has started to incorporate turn the entire groove on its head where it's like, whoa, I didn't know, you know what I mean?

I didn't know they were going to go there and you just don't hear that, right? And like something comes out of left field because your body thinks it's about to go one way or your mind thinks it's going one way, but then it completely takes a turn. like the two becomes the one, you know, and it's just like, oh, it's hard. It's hard.

What I'm about to explain is not going to sound interesting to you or probably anybody, but like um it's cool you brought that up because the one of the bands that I manage, they're called Devil's Cut, they um they just recorded their new record and they have a song on the record that does exactly what you're talking about. So, they're kind of like a country rock, like rock metal band. Okay. Um, and they have this one song where they go into the breakdown and then where you think the breakdown is about to end and go back into a chorus, it goes into a whole separate groove that just like picks the song up out of nowhere and it's like that's exactly one of the coolest transitions and stuff.

So like I get what you're saying is like it's crazy that or maybe it's like interesting that folk hasn't maybe tried to take some stuff from there. But then again, I don't know. I think a lot of folk people, people that listen to folk or bluegrass or anything along those lines like really probably don't know a lot about metal or probably haven't like even really looked into it because a lot of those people I think still live in the you know eastern in the coal mines and stuff which is which is sick. You know what I'm saying?

Like and a lot of people that are in the cities don't know what real folk and what real bluegrass is. Well, like in the 80s and 70s um there was Merl and Whan and stuff they you know like Whan had a bunch of disco beats. I mean, I say a bunch. There's songs that had like disco stuff going to them.

Merl, there was like some pretty heavy like Mottown funk influences to a lot of his stuff. And they were tracking drums, like separate drum tracks. They play over top of each other and play some of that funk stuff. Yeah.

And it's funny like, you know, there'll be like some cowboy dude or in the back of the bar that's just like that ain't real country. And it's like, well, you would have been the same guy saying that to Merl Haggard. Yeah. when he's like using fun and it's the same dudes that said it to whoever came after Bill Monroe.

You know what I'm saying? Like you had like Bill Monroe, whoever came after him in country like when Loretta Linen stuff came out, they were probably like, "Oh yeah, that's not real country." You know what I'm saying? They're used to hearing Bill Monroe and the Bluegrass Boys or you know, whoever else or sorry the blue I forgot who was back up.

I think it was the Bluegrass Boys. I could be wrong. But anyways, um and then you know it happens every generation. It's like the same thing happened when Shannidoa and Gar Brooks and all them were taking over the 90s.

They were like, "Oh, this ain't Willie. This ain't Johnny. This ain't," you know, [expletive] That same version of that guy is in the same bar saying like, "Man, if it ain't Gar ain't real country." Yeah.

And then like and then the same ones that are crying about it, the ones that are like, "Oh man, I miss Real Country." like this and that are the same ones that aren't listening to Cody Johnson, that aren't listening to Zack Top, that don't know that they're ain't listening to Chandler Walters and uh you know, Ernest, ain't knowing that there's like real like real country out there now still. You know what I'm saying? But they don't even want to take the time to look into it to find it.

Yeah. And it's there if you want it. Yeah. It's like they're like, "Oh, I'm tired of all the stuff on the radio."

Like then stop listening to the radio and look into these writers that are writing real country. You know, every song I mean everybody's crushing right now, but you know what I'm saying? So, it's like it but if you want like real country ain't gone either and what's on the radio ain't real country. It's just progressed in style because music progresses and changes over time and it's that's how it always will be.

Yeah. There's stuff that I don't necessarily jive with um where it really gets and that's okay. Like that's you know and we all got our like subjective opinions. The people that get mad about people not liking something is where it gets weird.

Why are you upset about that? Well, because it they make it like a personal thing. It's freaking weird. Am I weird because you don't like the stuff that I like?

Like what? Why don't you like it? Most of them would be surprised in the studio how many influences are coming in Yeah. from really obscure spots and they would have no idea.

They'd be like, "Oh, really?" They would have no idea. Yeah. They have no clue.

But really, a lot a lot of them don't like look at even who's like writing on it and like who's been writing on what and like who's all the like there's been a ton of number ones that have been written by real country artists that have come out of Nashville. I think even Texas artists have wrote a lot of number ones for Nashville artists and vice versa so on and so forth. Yeah. But just matters or I guess where you look or what you're looking for.

Yeah, for [laughter] sure. Yeah. What was your ent where you from originally? Kentucky.

Oh yeah. So you were surrounded by it. Yeah. That's why that's why I got into metal.

Um [laughter] to be honest to be different. To be real Well, yeah. Like, man, I had like a not to, you know, do the whole cry, woe is me thing. Um, you know, I didn't like I didn't have a lot of friends growing up.

I was like the fat weird kid that was in band, but also played baseball and football. Didn't really like fit in anywhere. Didn't really have like a lot of friends. Like, I was just liked cuz I if anyone [expletive] with me, it was cuz I played drums.

So, it was like I'd only get like wouldn't get invited parties or But you didn't fit in sports? No, dude. The bas the football kids would make fun of me because I wore skinny jeans. Baseball kids would make fun of me for wearing skinny jeans and listening to metal.

And then uh the band kids would like didn't [expletive] with me because I was a jock. So they you know what I'm saying? You know, so it was just a whole triangle of like Was it a big school? Nah, we were like I think my class was only like 600 or 700 maybe.

Um, which that probably sounds big to a lot of to a lot of people, but um that's that size. But that was like when like when I was born, my town only had I think when I saw I think it said like 5,000 people in it maybe or 1,800, 18800 to 5,000 people and then now it's up to like 18,000 or 20,000. So now it's like a bigger town, but growing up there it wasn't like super big. But uh so my um yeah, it wasn't like really didn't really fit in.

So, it's like I grew up in the in the [expletive] m middle of nowhere. It's called Bullet County, Mount Washington. And at the time, there was nothing out there. We had a Wind Dixie and a uh a gas station called Seores and a gas station called White Lightning.

[laughter] And uh and um Yeah. And so, of course, I was raised on like my dad listened to like Zezy Top and like 70s funk disco music. Oh, yeah. Um AC/DC.

My mom listened to uh Azie and Panta and Kid Rock and uh Fleetwood Mac and Reeba and so and Brooks and Dunn and uh all the kids that I like played baseball with growing up like all their dads listening to country. So it's like I like grew up listening to country. It was really when I started not being accepted by the country kids cuz I didn't like my family didn't like hunt. My family didn't finish my like my family was from the city and moved out to the south.

But like my mom grew up kind of hunting and fishing, but my grandfather wasn't really in my life. And so I never like went and did those things. My other grandfather passed away when I was born. And uh my dad didn't really go hunting fish.

My mom just didn't have the time to teach me to go do all these things. You know what I'm saying? And my uncles would try to some like one of my uncles um he would try to take me fishing, but it just I don't know. I was like way more into sports and just didn't understand that.

And uh so yeah, I didn't like really fit in with the kids in my town cuz I didn't have anybody that was willing to like take me out and teach me that stuff or you know how to do it. So uh I just felt like I didn't fit in. Didn't really have friends. And so then I um started listening to air metal and started listening to like Nickelback and Avenge Sevenfold and uh Slipnot and you know all those kind of bands back then and really got into metal and then found this underground metal scene which is what Jared was a part of which was how me and him met and um and just finally kind of felt accepted and so I was like yeah like I'm going to hang out in the city and I'm going to like I'm going to be cool or like you know whatever like I hang out with dudes that are older than me and like I got cooler friends that are doing cooler things that aren't like in high school and like I don't need this small town, you know, just kind of was like that just really like rebellious mentality which obviously I was just a kid and then I grew up and I was like, "Oh man, I actually like my hometown is my favorite place in the world."

Like Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's like both can be you can love you can like both.

Yeah. But I found this underground scene when I was like a junior senior in high school and kind of really felt like uh people cared about like when I'd play drums and stuff. Like when I was in the local bands that I was in, even though we were complete [expletive] it was like people still would like talk to me after the shows. And I lot I know a lot of it was like you take it with a grain of salt, you know, people say what they're going to say just to hype you up or to, you know, be your friend or whatever.

And uh or you know, to make you feel good. Not everything's true, but uh you know it felt good when people would finally be like, "Oh, dude, that was sick." Or like, "Yo, this Phil or teach me this whatever." So So you just did you kind of just didn't really feel seen.

Yeah. Well, it was like, "Dude, I was in a hair metal band and like all the dudes in the band." So this is like sophomore year. all the D my first band ever was a hair metal band and we didn't do covers like we did originals played like the high school like auditorium for like talent show and some other stuff you know or uh some like a like a pep rally event thing but uh we did originals and we were honestly we were sick we didn't get to record anything because we just didn't know how to do that and we were [clears throat] like 15 and didn't have money and um like wore teased our hair wore makeup zebra pants the whole nine yards man oh you went after Yeah, but they were like they were all popular kids.

Like they were all cool and like they would get invited to the parties. Like the girls would invite them to the parties and this and that. And there was like there was one time that they invited me to the party and um I got there and like no one talked to me and I was just like sitting in the corner just like trying to make conversation even with like my band dudes and like they whatever. And um and so then the next day we all met up and uh went to a Taco Bell and I'll never forget it.

I can sit in the same seat that I was sitting. I remember it like it was yesterday, dude, cuz it like sucked. It was like such a weird thing, but like um one of the members of the band like looked at me. We were like on the conversation of the party and I was like, "Dude, that was so fun last night just like trying to fit in."

And uh and the dude looked at me and he was like, "Yo, the only reason that you are invited that is cuz like we feel bad for you. Like you didn't get invited to that." Like he said that. Said that and I was like, "Bro, I was like, you why'd you have to say that dog?"

I was like, "You could have just not invited me. Like don't invite me cuz I could [expletive] off." It was like some weird [expletive] man. I don't know.

I just had some like some weird [expletive] growing up. You know what I'm saying? That was It sounds like you're around a lot of douchebags to be honest. And it was just, you know, just small town [expletive] and that which is cool.

It whatever. It still happens in all the small towns to this day. But uh I know it's kind of weird like my experience was different than that. Like all the all the jocks were in choir and a bunch of them were in band.

Like our football How old are you? What's that? How old are you? 34.

Okay. Oh, damn. I'm 32. Yeah.

So it's like that's what I see nowadays. Yeah. All everybody hanging out with everybody nowadays and I'm like man what? Or you know what?

Maybe I just sucked. Maybe I was weird. [laughter] Maybe I was I'm being funny. I'm being funny.

Yeah. It's like Yeah. I don't I just I didn't experience that, but I've heard a lot of people experience that type of that type of stuff. But even like Texas is a little bit different than the South.

Yeah. It wasn't It wasn't even like I wasn't even really like picked on. Like kids would like, you know, pick fun weight sometimes, you know? It's like football just like Oh, sure.

bullshitting like whatever. No, they just like didn't pay attention to you. Yeah. It was just like nothing.

No, we like didn't get hang out outside of school. Like didn't really even talk in the hallways. Like it was I don't know. It was weird.

It was interesting. I spent a lot of time in like my counselor's rooms. You know what I'm saying? Okay.

Like not even not even on some like I need to talk stuff. It was just like I didn't have nowhere to go. So, I would like go hang out in my teachers in the band room and like or I'd go hang out in the counselor's office and just like hang out in there for like lunch and [expletive] cuz I was like What really sucks is a lot of a lot of the kids that you grew up around, there's a good chance as they got older, like if they knew that was going on, like they would want to go back and just like be buddies with you or something. When you get older and you realize like people like you would never want somebody to feel like that maybe.

I don't know, man. I don't think a lot of people in that small town give a [expletive] really care. Yeah, I think once a lot of people get stuck, they get stuck. But some I think some people do change, I think.

But I, you know, I could, like I said, I could be wrong. Like, and I don't know. I mean, none of it affected me enough to where like, you know, I would ever be angry or care about it. You know, when I see like some of these kids that made me feel that way, like I buy them a beer and hang out kind of situation.

You know what I'm saying? Like, I don't care. I just know. I remember it.

Well, you turned out to be a huge loser. So, I know. Really struggling now. Yeah.

Damn. I'm really struggling. [laughter] Hey, but we here in Vegas, baby. That's what I'm talking about.

Drop the mic. Drop [laughter] the mic. Say it slower. Drop the drive.

This is sick, dude. I can't I can't believe we pulled this off. This is really awesome. Yeah, dude.

I'm glad you're here. Yeah. How have you been? How's How long have you been out here?

Oh gosh. Since Thursday. Oh, a week now. Oh yeah.

Oh yeah. We're doing You're alive. We're doing [laughter] I've been pretty good. I've been real good, dude.

Oh yeah. Yeah. I've been real good. Good.

Yeah. Uh Michael was saying you guys have had a bunch of stuff lined up and everything. Yeah, we've been shooting a bunch of podcasts and like bunch of rodeo cats. Yeah.

Yeah. That's what's funny, man, is like your style and like where you come from and the music that you're from and stuff. Most of the dudes all like rodeoing and like riding bucking horses and stuff like they're they would all like vibe with you, dude. I Yo, we played that the rodeo in Nashville and um so we got to be like that's the music city rodeo.

Yeah, music city rodeo. So we played the music city rodeo this year and um we were backstage at Brick Bridgestone and there was a bunch of cowboys back there and I was like so [expletive] badass, dude. I'll never be as badass as any of you [expletive] Yeah, they're saying the same thing about you. Yeah.

I'm like no, you realize you just [expletive] wrangled a bull, mother. You just rode a bull like I just go play drums. What do you mean, [laughter] dude? Wouldn't last [expletive] 5 seconds on that thing.

That's so sick. There's a guy that rides uh bucking horses. He rides bearback horses and his name is Rocker Steiner. Young kid.

Oh yeah, I've heard his name. Yeah, dude. I've seen this stuff. He knows.

Oh yeah, he's like leather jacket like does the whole thing. He's a stud, bro. Oh, he's a stud. Yeah, that's cool.

But he's all about that like rockar. O, as he should be, dude. I think we lack a lot of those. But he gets a lot of [expletive] from the kind of more uh every person that comes off as a rockstar has Yeah.

You know what I'm saying? Like look at Molly Crew. Look at look at the real rock stars. Look at like [laughter] [snorts] Nickelback all got [expletive] Metallica gets [expletive] all the time.

Molly Crew got [expletive] all the time. Poison got [expletive] all the time. Any even Drake [expletive] all the time. Kendrick Lamar [expletive] all the time.

Beef like Eminem gets [expletive] all like the real rock stars. Everybody hates them. Yeah, dude. But a lot of people love them.

So you were So you were playing when you said you were playing in like the metal scene with Easterling. Was that like Christian metal? Um so like [snorts] for me personally it was I like Is that what it's called? I don't even know.

No, no, no there. So it's just called metal core but there was there like early in the scene a lot of the metal core bands were like were Christian very Christianbased. Okay. Um like very Christianbased lyrics.

Like if you go back and listen, I mean even Fit for a King now still has like pretty Christian based stuff but like um but if you go back and listen to like early Fit for a King, early Memphis Mayfire, um early Attack, early of Men or uh yeah, early of Men um early Devil Wars Prada, early Underathrow, like there's all these metal bands like and then we can keep going. Early Gideon, early um August [snorts] Burns Red, like text and delight. Like all these bands were like uh were like Christian for today. Dude, I can we could keep there was so many good ones.

Oh my gosh. Um was it Winds of Plague one, too? Hey, what was the what was the one I liked? Oh, Seosin.

Seen was Seos was awesome. They weren't that wasn't the same. I don't know if I don't know if they were or not. They were pretty dope though.

I remember they were pretty melodic, weren't they? Yeah, they were melodic. Very melodic. Um, but dude, there was like so many like Christian based like metal core bands like and we're talking like back in starting in like 0405 like in the underground metal core scene.

And uh as time went on, you know, a you know, a lot of people kind of grew up and maybe found other faiths or other things or stuck with the same faith but just stopped preaching it in songs, you know, whatever happens in life that we go through. Um but uh yeah, there was a lot of there was a lot of those Christian medical bands. But I the funny story with me was like I never like I went to church with my grandma, you know what I'm saying? Um, I don't I uh so I got offered to join this band called O Kingdom and it was like one of my first um one of my first like bigger metal core bands in the local scene and I was like their lyrics were very like Christian based and I was like dude I like I cuss you know what I'm saying?

I don't really like live by the Bible. I don't really go to church. You know what I'm saying? I believe in God.

I believe in Jesus. I have my very close I have a very close relationship with him in my own way. I believe and um but I was like I if this is a Christian band, I don't know if like you guys respect those ideas or you know whatever. And uh and he was like they were like oh like the vocalist is just very religious and that's what he likes to write about.

And I was like okay cool because I really like y'all's music and I don't care. I just like playing music like and I'll respect whatever like And so we like started playing and then the vocalist kind of went through some things in life and um started writing about the things that became a little bit more heavier. Um and uh and then we ended up getting a new vocalist. And so it's like we started they I started as joining them as a Christian band, but then it kind of turned into like the that vocalist quit.

So we got other vocalists and kind of just didn't just kind of like stop the Christian writing. You know what I'm saying? So, I don't know how that works with anybody else, but that's how it was for us. But, we didn't meet because of the Christian thing.

We met because I was uh so obsessed with trying to network and meet other musicians and like just get my name out there that there was this band called My Ticket Home from Columbus. Wasn't a big band at all, but I was I loved them. And their vocalist had done a feature on my local band's album, but and I didn't it was like before I joined. And so I drove to Chicago to watch them play in a skate park and I had to work the next day.

So I drove to Chicago just to like say, "Hey, my name's Cody. You did guest vocals on my band's record and just to do a face to face and meet them and see them and just to like exchange numbers and maybe be friends or whatever." Well, that band had Jared's band on tour with them. Okay.

So there So it was they were called uh there was Fit for King and a band called um My Ticket Home. So I'm going to watch My Ticket Home. I don't know Jared exists. I don't know fit for a king exists.

Drive to Chicago, which is like a 6-hour drive, get to the venue, watch them, and I'm like, "Okay, I have to gear up. I need to go back and take a nap at my friend's house and then going to go back to work the next morning and I'm go and talk to my ticket home and kind of did what I set out to do." And they [clears throat] were like, "Yo, you have to stay and watch this band. They're called Fit for a King.

They're insane." And I was like, "I don't have time. I got to get back to Kentucky." So on so forth.

So, go back to Kentucky and on the ride home I was like, "Okay, like at least I didn't get to see this band, but I'm going to download the record and or I'm going to buy the record and check it out." So, I put it in, fell in love, like immediately became my favorite band. So, I was like a huge fanboy of Jared's band for like four years. Like, that's all I listen to.

Favorite bands, like so on so forth. Well, they were on a tour that came through Kentucky. And a big thing when you're like just a smaller band that's touring in a van and trailer, I don't know how it is now, but at least back then, uh there wasn't a ton of amenities. So, and we didn't have no money.

So, it was like anytime you could stay at someone's house and catch a shower, catch food, you know what I'm saying? Like, like whatever. So, I was like, "Oh, this would be a cool way for these people to [expletive] with me." So, uh and I had very awesome parents.

And so I went up to Fit for King that night and I was like, "Hey man, I have a basement with a room that with room that everyone can sleep in. I have breakfast. I have showers. I have all this."

And they were like, "Oh." And I was like, "Where's your next stop?" Cuz my house is south from here. And I think they were going south.

And so they stayed in my crib. Uh got them all showers, got them all taken care of. And then um Jared let me punish him for a minute to talk about drums and [laughter] and which was very nice of him. But he's a sweetheart.

Sweetheart. But that's that was the cool thing is not a lot of people because they didn't know who I was and I was just some kid like you know I just came off as a fan which understandable but I was just trying to get my name out there and um and so I was willing to do whatever it took and but a lot of people treated me that way like as a fan but Jared and uh this other dude named Steve Carrey they were like the first two drummers in the scene to like treat me like a You know what I'm saying? Like in the bands that were like signed and touring and doing like what I was wanting to do, like they didn't just treat me as like a fan. Like they would like talk and we would talk drums and they would like follow me and keep up with me and stuff.

So like Jared has seen my whole progress and I've seen his whole progress too. and like when Fit was getting bigger and he was doing cooler tours and then I got off that local band and joined my first sign band and then me and him ended up touring together on Warp Tour in 2017 and then I was like one of the first people he told about CO cuz at first he was like just filling in and um and then he like pulled me aside. He was like, "Yo, dude. I like got this offer.

I don't know what to do." He's like really he was like really going through it. You know what I'm saying? And like cuz Fit was his baby.

like he was one of the originators of the band so he was having a hard time with it and but like I was there when he got the co call and then I got the jelly call and he was like one of the first people I called and I was like dude what is happening like we're both in country. So that was all like around the same time. Uh his was like probably a year or two earlier. Um, and then mine so I got in like 2021 and I think he got the off I think he got the co- offer in 2019 maybe but I don't I don't know I don't know the logistics behind that so I don't want to So you've been with you've been with Jelly Roll for like five four years 21 22 23 24 25 five years yeah five torn years yes sir and it was be so what was the band that you were with before I was in a band called Siler and they were from New York so from that point that like you met Easterling.

How many bands did you go through? Just one. Oh yeah. Like he met me when I was in my local band and then I started filling in for like different bands.

Like any tour that I would get offered, I would take just so I could like on the off chance or an opportunity that I could like meet someone else that could, you know, be friends with that I either I was a fan of or that I thought was cool or that could help further me in my career or, you know, like I said, even just make a friendship with. And uh so I was like well I just cracked my voice just cracked. So I uh yeah I kept um I just kept filling in for different bands and there was only like two that were like bigger and notable. You know what I'm saying?

But um so he kind of like saw that whole thing where I was like filling in and trying to get out there and network and you know whatever. and I'd see his band every now and then when they would come through on tour. And um and then when I joined Siler, that was kind of like when I joined like his level, you know what I'm saying? Cuz they were signed and um we were basically we were like doing the same kind of tours.

Like not his band was way bigger than ours. Like his tours, their tours would do way better, but as far as like the same circuit of like metal core. Yeah. Um but like venue wise and everything.

Yeah. So then the transition over um yeah he I think like I said I think he was in like 2019. My what happened was we went to my band never really got bigger than like a one or two spot. Um we the record that I joined them on I wasn't a part of writing like I wasn't in on that.

Um but so I joined them on a record cycle and that record did really good and then I ended up and then we like did some really crazy tours. did Europe like three two times at this period. We did e altogether we did Europe three times. Japan twice.

Damn. Uh Puerto Rico like did some did some really cool [expletive] We never like we headlined in Japan, we headlined Puerto Rico, but like we never headlined in Europe. Um and we never headlined in Australia. We did Australia one time, Europe three times.

We were supporting artists. Um let's go. One for the boys. Boys, boys, boys, boys, boys.

Our god is [laughter] an awesome God. He reigns. See, you do. You know your Christian stuff for sure.

You just killed the freaking Oh, dude. That's twice now. In the same interview, I spilled beer [laughter] on me, dude. No, you're fine.

That was good. We came to party, dude. I hope it I hope it zooms in and just Oh, dude. I'll make a terrible face.

Uh, [laughter] we just posterize you. Work showed up [expletive] up. Um, no, man. I uh so yeah like Warp Tour War Warp Tour in 2017 was like really where Jared and I became like really close.

But um yeah is sorry you said something about the transition. Well yeah we were just talking about moving over into the deal with Jelly cuz like those rock like that metal rock world. Oh yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. My dude my uh sorry we did so we uh we did that we had that one record and it was going really well and then we did a lot of cool tours. did warp tour, did Europe, Japan, Australia, the whole night. Like 2016, 20 and 2017 was sick.

Did all the right moves, made all the right whatever. Came into 2018 trying to do a co-headliner. The other band ended up dropping. We kind of get in a [expletive] situation.

U ended up doing an ICP tour, which was still sick in itself, but didn't really benefit us in any way because we what we really needed to do was a headliner. You know, Mike, that dirty dog. But he's a dank stud. Look at that dirty dog.

Look at this. Last time. Yeah, dude. Yeah, but last time.

Oh, I know who I know who you are. Yeah. Yeah, but I'm going to put you on blast, though. Cuz the last time Vegas happened.

No, this makes it even This makes it even better. Put your butt right over the camera. [laughter] Cuz the last time we were out here, you told me that we were going to play craps. I don't even know how to play craps.

Yeah, but no, you said we were going to freaking we were Yeah, I know. That was the whole conversation we had. You said we came out here, we're going to play craps, and then we didn't play craps. Well, I texted you.

I texted you and you said, this is a direct quote. You said, "Jared, I hate you and I don't want to play craps." [laughter] I'm just kidding. I mean, I've played it like twice and every time I play it, there's so much time in between.

I have to relearn [laughter] at the table. That's the whole point. Hates me. Not with me.

I'll leave you all. Yeah, dude. Absolutely nothing. Yes, sir.

See, bro. Yes, sir. Second record 2018. We're getting Nothing's really happening.

Uh, we go to record this record. It needed to sound a certain way, but some other members, it just the album didn't come out how it was supposed to. We needed to record a heavy record. We didn't record a heavy record.

And that's like to be honest. And I just I don't think we wrote like what the fans were wanting. But at the end of the day, it was still a phenomenal record. Like it was a phenomenal record.

it just I just don't think it was at the right time. Um, but it was a great record. But anyways, after that we had a single that went on Monday Night Football. Did really well.

And so now we're in like the fall of 2018. We're on like a huge tour with this band called Bear Tooth and Knock Loose. And um, and it's going super well. And then we go to do a headliner in 2019 and there's like some weird miscommunications with the label and it's like super weird, super [expletive] up.

And uh they like really dropped the ball on the headliner and like the promotion and how it went about and like dropped the ball on the single. It dude it was like a whole [expletive] situation and then it was like after [snorts] they got done with the cycle they decided to not pick up the other option and dropped us just like out of nowhere and we were about to go to Europe but we were like dude what the what the [expletive] So, as soon as we uh so they dropped they dropped Siler, the label dropped Siler, and then we go to Europe and we're on this Europe tour and the emotions and the energy and the vibes were just so low. Yeah. And um they're just so low.

And I it was to the point where like I'm like a pretty social butterfly. I like to I like to hang I like to talk to people, especially like when I'm on tour, when I'm at shows. Um, but man, we were in Europe and it got to the point where I like would get to the venue, as soon as I got to the venue, I'd go inside to get a coffee and then I'd get in an Uber and I'd go away or I'd get on a one of those like little sticks or like one of those little scooters and I just go see [expletive] and then I wouldn't come back until I needed to set up. I'd set up, get on soundcheck, go on the bus, take a nap, and then um after I'd take a nap, we'd go play, and then um after we played, I'd uh pack up and get straight in my bunk.

And yeah, it was uh that one was just, you know, that was that was a rough tour. So, were you looking for something else at that point? So, at this point, I kind of was having this revelation of like in 2018, I started having the thought process of like, all right, man, I'm not making money. Like, whatever.

Like, I need to figure something out. I don't know what I'm going to do. And then but we were doing this that really crazy tour. So it was like there was a little bit of hope and we were on Monday Night Football and then like uh it's so it looked promising and then the out the single was going up the charts and then they stopped putting money behind it.

They dropped us and it was it was just we it was a weird I don't know. And so I started having that thought process and started I was only 2 hours from Nashville so I just really started looking at like going down there more often and uh and I realized that a lot of country drummers were like already following me like uh Miles with Cody Johnson was following me and then uh Kane Brown's old drummer Kenny was following me. God rest his soul. He was he was one of the first people that brought me on to [expletive] like he brought me to my first like he brought me backstage my first country show ever.

Really? Yeah. and it was Jason Alen headlining Kane Brown direct support and I can't remember who was opening it but it was in Cincinnati and I was like what the [expletive] like they have lineups like how is Kane like I didn't I never saw Kane Brown as like a direct and then I realized like oh this [expletive] ain't much different than what we do like and then I'm like watching him backstage I'm like oh this is just like what we do with a lot more money you know what I'm saying like it's a lot more money back here. Yeah.

So you didn't even really you didn't even know that really I didn't know how the country world worked and I was like so intrigued by it and so then I had to like try to learn every how it works and everything you know whatever. So I started going to Nashville a lot and like I said I picked up that band that I started managing called Devil's Cut and um the dude that they were recording with out of Cleveland ended up getting hired by Jelly randomly out his studio and so all 2020 I was going with Devil's Cut down to Nashville to record out of Jelly's studio. So I was and then I'd go there on my own like every two or three weeks I'd go down there on my own and after we'd write. So we'd go right.

I'd come home, work for a few days and then I'd go back down there for a weekend and then just stay at the studio and go to the bars and try to network and get lunch and hang out with people and stuff and um and just ended up becoming friends with people and uh and yeah and that's how I ended up kind of getting in the jelly circle accidentally. It like wasn't on purpose. It was like I was just at that studio a lot. So, did you have an audition?

No. No. [laughter] There was I've heard two different things now. I've heard that he had So, they called someone they called uh someone and he didn't answer and or he answered and he just didn't want to like tour from what I understand.

If I'm wrong correctly, you know, whatever. Um and then after he said no, they were like, "Oh, shit." Well, wait. Like, who else ises do we know that is like family that can do this?

And he was that that was successful. That was successful. It didn't spill this time. [laughter] He was like, so he was like, um, you know, who's who else's family that we can get to do this?

They were like, well, he's in your studio a lot. He knows everybody on the team. Like, he knows all security guards. Like, look at his drum videos.

Look at this. So on and so forth. And um so he looks at it and um and [clears throat] I heard the one the one story is that too many people came up to him trying to get him to hire me that he said [expletive] it just call him really. And then the other story I heard was that someone mentioned me and he was like I literally we should call him because of his mullet.

So that one sounds a little bit more realistic to me. I literally just got told that story this year. So, I've what I've been preaching is this one, but this one came up and now I'm curious to know which one's actually real cuz this sounds a lot more like him. I have a sneaky suspicion it was uh the playing and not the mullet.

The mullet is easier to pull off for sure. I don't know if he went in and watched me actually play. I think just too many people were like, "Yo, get Cody. Get Cody."

He's like, "Yo, I don't know who this is. Stop [expletive] just call him." You know what I'm saying? They were just like, "Fucking do it."

Was there was there really I mean, you y'all put on like pretty much a rock show. Uh [expletive] yeah. Was there really much of a difference in terms of playing style or did anybody Yeah. Yeah.

Well, so a lot of the people Well, now we have more kind of like So we have now we have like nine members on stage. At the time we only had four and everybody on stage like came from the rock world except for the DJ and um but now like our guitar player was in a band called Sleeping with Sirens. Our bass player was in a band called Conditions and he was also in Sleeping with Sirens. Um, our rhythm guitar player is like a super massive fan of uh of uh math metal.

So that like that's like all he listens to is like super nerdy math metal. Sorry, not nerdy. My bad. Not it's like it's [expletive] badass.

But um it's I just can't understand it. I'm the idiot. I can't understand it. I'm the idiot.

It's pretty nerdy. It's so hard, dude. It I just I'm It's more so an envy that I can't think like that. But that's okay.

It's all awesome. I can't listen to a seven minute song. That's the hardest part is listening to like a seven to 11 minute song. No.

No. [snorts] Move on. Get to the next one. I can't do it.

I need a hook, dude. I need like I need a hook. But yeah, I got to have a payoff [laughter] for sure. For sure.

I need like a strong hook or a huge drop. So, what was the big differences in playing? Oh, um mainly just knowing where to like being at being with him really uh I like really grew. Like I thought I grew a lot as a drummer when I was in metal, but being with him, like I knew coming in that, okay, this isn't about me.

I don't need to be doing the coolest [expletive] on stage. The most important part is that these fans are hearing the songs that have been written that they fell in love with that make them feel something and making sure that I'm not in the way of that at all. Okay. Um, so, uh, not that I came from a conceited standpoint in metal.

Um, I just had a little bit more leeway to add some really [expletive] up [expletive] And uh but with this it's way too noticeable to try and do some weird stuff like that because you the fan you know they're not there for the musician. We're there to play the songs that we are there to play. You know what I'm saying? That they know and that's they're there to see the artist and hear the songs that they are that are attached to.

So if I come in and [expletive] that up because I want to do something cool and what's you know what's the point of that? So that was like that was kind of the first thing that I had to digest and be like, "Okay, I'm behind the song, need to stay on the beat, need to stay back." And then um but because he had a little bit of hip-hop, I had a little bit of leeway to put some of the gospel chops that I was like so used to knowing. So it was like his transition from hip-hop into country, um he did a few rock songs in between that.

So, it was like a really easy transition into what we're doing now and to where I was able to add those hip-hop flare like the hip-hop and pop and gospel flares to the to the hip-hop stuff. And then when we got to the rock, I already came from that world. So, I just be hitting hard and doing some cool [expletive] And then when we play the country songs, I just sit back in the pocket and, you know, stay where it is and, you know, lean back and let those songs be the breather. And then if there's some songs that I can pick up and make a little bit more energetic live, like we'll do that as a band.

and you know discuss that of you know how it'll go like we do that to uh he has a song called Liar that we do that to live like the with the way we play Liar live is nothing like Liar on the album and it's like I think it's a lot more hype but that's the whole point of a live show your younger self like if he saw you playing like maybe even some of the more country stuff like straight pocket like would he just be like what is this? Um depends on which younger self because I'm sure you grew to appreciate that more. Yeah, it depends on which younger self we refer to. If we refer to like 07 to 09, 100% that kid is watching me play drums being like you're a bum.

Like you're whack, dude. Like anybody could play that. Yeah, you're just four on the floor. Oh, it's got to be the most difficult thing ever, dude.

They ain't even playing double bass, dude. Oh my [laughter] gosh. Yeah, I was that kid for sure. Like was that kid.

Um, and [clears throat] then um, and then yeah, I went to this like it was called Intercolgiate Steel Band and I was like a freshman in college and I got invited to play in the intercolgiate steel band in Kentucky and that was out of EKU in the in the coal mines in Richmond, Kentucky. In the coal mines in the coal mines and uh, and so we um, so I was the only freshman. I was underage and I was at the senior's like drummer's dorm house at EKU and so we like they like snuck me into a bar and like I don't know why I'm whispering. They like snuck me into a [laughter] bar.

I for sure thought you were going to say something like so yeah [laughter] arrest they like bro they like stuck me into a bar and I was like mad young. I was probably like I dude I think I was a junior in high school so I had to be like 16 17 and um they're like don't drink just sit here and watch the drummer and I just sat and watch this dude go off bro like insane. And then they took me back we were staying at their dorm and then they start turning on like videos of these gospel drummers and like John Mayer and like things that I had never seen before and they were freaking out over the smallest things and I was like yo why that was that wasn't that cool. Why are you freaking out?

And they were like, "Dude, it is so much cooler to be in the pocket and let the song breathe and have space than to do fills." And I was like, "How?" And they were like, "Bro, just it's about the feel. It's not about what you can do.

It's about the feel." He was like, "Watch him drop this beat." And so he's like going in. He's like, you go, "Oh."

And I was like, "All right." from this perspective, this brings a whole new meaning to how I'm going to approach drums. So that's when I started putting like gospel stuff and like into metal songs, but I was doing it wrong because I was coming at it from an egotistical way of like a look at me way opposed to like cool. But okay, I learned that over that was like my young self.

Yeah, it's a whole process. Yeah, it's a whole process for sure. Yeah, it's interesting to get back to uh simplicity. I'm like by no means some like super technically proficient guitar player, but like I've definitely gotten a lot better.

I'm not a proficient drummer. So, I'm right I'm right there with you, brother. Uh yeah, we're probably not talking about the same thing. Well, you say you're not a technically proficient guitar player.

I know, but you saying that is probably quite a bit different than what I'm describing. No, dude. I'm I am um four out of 10 decent at best. There's some sick drummers out there, dude.

Oh, I know. But like you're at least a 62 out of 10. You think so? [laughter] Yeah.

No, I'm kidding. I Dude, I've honestly no. Dead ass. I've actually never seen you play guitar.

I don't think. Well, yeah. No, probably not. I wouldn't think so.

I'm sure you shred though. No, I know you shred. No, no, no, no. Especially coming from you in Texas.

You definitely shred. No. Especially coming from your world. Like, he shreds, don't he?

No. I can play like little blues. Tell me, Micah, he shreds, don't he? [expletive] sh I can like put on a show and I can play some bluesy [expletive] and I kind of have a little that same thing though.

But that's feel, dude. Feels so much cooler than shred. Yeah. I mean, like just the phrasing of a solo.

I watched BB King feel the slowest groove over Michelangelo Basio doing this all day. Yeah, it is. It is fascinating to try to explain to somebody like that feel of uh and the idea of sagging back on it or making it feel or making it quick, you know? And like some people just don't have that and they look at because I've kind of struggled with drummers at times.

I've had a guy that's with me for a long time uh that's super dope. But for the longest time I struggled a little bit because if the part was simple guys would kind of roll their eyes at it and just be like well I'm playing the part and I'm like well this feels like [expletive] Yeah. Like you're just you're not like adding anything into it. You're just going Oh yeah.

That literally right there just Yep. You could not have Yeah. Oh come on dude. Yeah.

or like them playing behind the beat a little bit. It was like it was weird like they would uh like I want it behind the beat but I want you to drag. Yeah. Like now you're just now we're just like not in time.

[laughter] You know what I mean? That's Dude, that's a very special thing to a lot of drummers. Like it's hard for me to do sometimes too, you know? Like to be behind the beat on time and not make it sound like you're [expletive] up.

There's like that's a really special thing to be able to do. You know what I'm saying? That's hard. It sounds so cool, too, bro.

Oh, so you grew to appreciate some of that stuff a little bit later. Oh. Oh, yes. Yes.

After I literally after that time in 2011, that's when everything changed for me. Like the how I viewed drums cuz I used to view drums as like fast blast beats, metal, fast double b like you know what I'm saying? Like what can I do that's the fastest? Like what can I do to show off?

Did you go like work on some new stuff or? Yeah, I went and like started trying like rudiments and I just started watching new drummers. So I went from like watching like at that time I was watching um this dude named Kobus on YouTube. I was watching Luke Holland.

I was watching um dude I was watching Jared. I was watching um Tony or sorry not Tony I was watching Matt Grryer and um Adam Gray. I was watching all those dudes and I still love every single one of those drummers. Like took Oh, and David Pucket too.

Uh I took a lot of inspiration from like all those drummers. Like those are my favorite drummers from like '09 to 2011 2012. And then uh when after I like started watching gospel drummers like I only watch gospel dudes from there on out cuz I was like I can't do this and I need to know how to do it and I need to know how to do it in metal and I need to know how to put it in country. Yeah.

Like to where it makes sense. a gospel drumming. I guess I don't know exactly what that would be. It would be it's just it's I think it just comes down to feel.

It's just a feel and how and like church drum like drummers that grew up in church and like church drumming has a completely different feel and different accents than what like metal and rock and pop and country or uh metal and rock and country have. um a lot of like a lot of the gospel stuff and like a lot of the gospel drummers play in pop and play in like um playing like pop and rap and hip-hop like kind of gigs because um dude it's like I said I think it's just like a feel thing and a lot of those uh like the music that they make like how they remake the songs um I forget what it's called um the MD basically just they'll like rewrite the songs for live renditions and uh there's like a bunch of cool different stabs that are on like that cue off the vocal or queue off like what the beat is of the song because like if you go and watch like go and watch Katy Perry live or go and watch um a live video of Sabrina Carpenter or Jack Harlo or anything like any of these like massive stabs that you hear from these live shows, those aren't on the records or they'll take the key parts from those records and make those the stabs live that maybe won't have the big horns and drums on them and whatever. Um, yeah, it like just it's I think it just comes down to feel and like how it's approached, you know, cuz like metal drumming is very like kick drum is based on like what a lot of times based on what the guitar is doing and how the guitar is moving. So they follow each other and then they stay on the same pattern.

But so when you say a stab though, would that be different than like a funk one? Well, I for we say stab in like a uh just like just sharp hits that are just like just like little snaps like that. Um I don't know. I've actually never went into thinking about how to describe these things.

I just like know what they mean when people say it. Yeah. Yeah. It [snorts] is weird to try to dude, especially like sounds.

Trying to describe sounds. Oh my god, it's so difficult. Oh, it's the worst. It's so difficult.

Especially as a drummer, dude, trying to talk to y'all about like, you know, we come at you with the diggers and the Oh, I thought it was the other way around. We come at you with that. I love when I wish people would come. Really?

Yeah. That's Maybe it's when I try to like explain guitar stuff cuz I'll be like, "Yo, this breakdown could be like and they're like, "Yeah." Like, "What the [expletive] am I supposed to do?" I'm like, "Just play it, dude."

like you hit me a drum tube, I'll play it. Oh, you're the first drummer that's ever told me that they enjoy that cuz normally it's like I you know I was thinking a little bit more of like a like a you know and then they're they just like immediately are like I also I like hearing other people's ideas though cuz I don't think that my best I like I don't always think that my idea is the best idea. I think that other people will have way better ideas all the time, you know, like Yeah. and other like if especially if I'm like writing something with other people.

Now, if it's something I really stand behind, then I'll be like, "No, dude. Like, please like I will I'm not fighting for anything else on this song. Please let this thing stay like this groove or this riff or this song or this, you know, or this drum groove or whatever." Like, but um yeah, that's I'm I love hearing other people's opinions because there's been times that I've made a fill that was way too busy and someone else been like, "Yo, well, I was hearing it this way."

And I do it that way and I'm like, "Okay, this makes way more sense." So, I've been through that and that's like I like that stuff. I like talking like hearing other people's ideas and incorporating them and I think that also gives other people like you know like if a guitar player makes up a drum groove or a drum fill and I'm like oh yeah I [expletive] with that like I'm going to do that. I think that gives them a sense of like oh that's cool you know like cuz if I if I give an idea and a guitar player takes it and like that makes me feel cool.

Oh dude in the studio like the answer or every response typically just needs to be yes. Yeah. Okay. Yeah.

Let's try it. Let's try. There also should not be more than three to four people in that room and only one to two guitar players maximum. Agreed.

No drummers. No one else. Unless they write. Unless there your drummer is a topline guy.

Oh, okay. Yeah. Um I think unless you're doing like full I think for the writing process for the demos, I think it should just be vocals, guitar, and writers. You know what I'm saying?

Unless like the other members of the band are significantly great writers. But if you want to do like a live record, then show your band the demos and let them come in or record the live stuff. But yeah, you know, I think it the process goes quicker when there's less people in the studio, like less less people trying to So, you write? Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I haven't done anything like notable.

You know what I'm saying? Like I've um just a couple Morgan Wallen cuts and No. God, dude. I've I wish I had any cuts like that.

No, I like I love to write. I um you know, a lot of people don't take me seriously as a writer because I play drums. So, it's like we'll do the whole Nashville thing where we're like, "Oh, dude, let's write, let's write, let's write." And then like they're like, "Oh, yeah, I hit you up."

And I'm like, cuz I'm not just I can't just like show up to somewhere that I don't know where to go. Like I someone has to be like, "Yeah, like come to this address at this time." And I'm like, "All right, cool. I'm there."

But it that whole natural [expletive] that happens where it's like, "Oh, yeah, let's write. Let's do this. Let's do this." And then they're like, "Oh, yeah.

We'll hit you up with a location." And it just like never happens. And I'm like, it's so [expletive] corny. But um [expletive] I'll write with you, dude, when I come out there.

I'll write. I love writing, dude. Yeah. But yeah, like I um I wrote like a lot of like the band I managed, Devil's Cut.

I've written a lot with them just cuz we're like homies and like to write together. Yeah. Um and then I had a few writing credits on the silo record. And um yeah, I mean I we write just like some fun stuff in when we're on tour just like on like in our drunken hotel room nights.

We'll come up with hooks and melodies. Nothing's ever been seen through. I've never had anything pitched to anybody that's got picked up. But um yeah, I love to write, dude.

Hell yeah, dude. Well, so y'all play on the 13th, 14th, 14th, 14th. But that's not even for like the rodeo or nothing. That's just out there at the some private event.

Oh, it's just a private event. Yeah. I don't actually know what it is. Oh, so y'all like touring right now?

Mm-m. Oh, we know. We're off. We just We just got back from tour.

Uh we just got back from Australia. We've been home from Australia for like 3 weeks, I think. Four weeks. And um yeah, I took a little bit of time off, went to went home for Thanksgiving.

And then um I flew to Niagara, Ontario and talked to some kids uh at the Notre Dame high school and just like talked to them about life and stuff and a different perspective of like where I came from and uh how I went like how I got to where I am or whatever. Yeah. And then um flew from Niagara to here cuz we play like I said we play on the 14th. So came out here to hang out for like a week and you know got offered to do this and now we're here baby and we're just running it.

We're rolling with it. Yeah, I love it, dude. Yeah, it's [expletive] Well, I appreciate you taking the time to do this, dude. Any literally anytime, anywhere, baby.

You let me know. I'm here. Yeah, I'm here, dude. Like, I'll go you.

You in Nashville? We'll do something else. We'll go round two, round three, round four. Yeah, we need to do a round two.

I'm blessed, my boy. Let's go. We in. We'll write a couple songs, too.

Yo, we'll freaking mash it up for real. Anytime. Where you at in Texas? Outside of Fort Worth.

All right. If we're if we out there, let's ride out there. But if you're ever in Nashville or Kentucky, like I've done it. Yeah.

For real. And I don't I don't play that game where I'm like right. I just like I can't show up to somewhere if like if I don't know where we're writing. You know what I'm saying?

It's like people be like, "Yeah, let's write. Let's write." I'm like, "All right, yeah, let me know where you're writing." And I don't get hit up and like don't know a time or a place.

I like what am I supposed to [expletive] do? Like I'm not going to blow your [expletive] up. You want me there? Hit Like I'll be there.

If you don't, then you're not hitting me up, which is what's happening. But you're living you're living in Nashville. Yeah. Yeah.

I live outside I live outside of national town called Gallatin. Okay. But yeah, like I said, I'm from Bullet County, so I've Yeah. Well, I'll probably be out there in like January or February.

Yeah, bro. Let me know. I'm in. We'll make it happen.

That'd be sick, dude. All right. All right. See y'all.

Cody Ash. Hey, what's the what's the new band or what's the band you manage? Is that the only band you manage? No, no, no.

So, I managed two bands. I managed a band called Devil's Cut. Uh they're out of Kentucky. They're like a country rock band.

Super sick. If you like Cather, Theory of a Dead Man, Nickelback, Wage War, A Day to Remember, Gideon, Lake View, if you like bands like that, you'll love these dudes. Um, and then the other band I managed is called Southpaul LHC. They're from Jacksonville.

Uh, they're a hardcore band. They're super sick, very heavy. Uh, great gym band. Great band to listen to if you're needing a few extra pumps in your workout.

They're hard as [expletive] Um, and then uh yeah, they all got socials. And then if you want to watch drum videos or keep up with me on tour, it's Cody Drums on all socials. Let's go. Yeah, baby.

Let's go. I'm so I was so excited that you took the time to do this. For real, dude. This meant so much to me.

I was stoked to be pulling out here. This is awesome. Well, dude, when y'all hit me up, I was like, "Of [snorts] course, I'm there. Give me your time and place, baby.

I'm in." Well, it's perfect. Like, uh, green room hang Vegas party, you know? Dude, it's [laughter] perfect.

Well, it used to be Elvis's green. This used to be Elvis's green room. Shut the [expletive] up. Yeah.

Yeah. I swear it's on the door out there. No way. Yeah.

Yeah. We were talking about it on another one. Like we were a little bit sketched out about the stuff that's probably been on these walls on the ceiling. Dude, if he's like that when people ask me like who's the one person you could bring back from the dead to talk to for an hour, he's always Elvis in a [expletive] heartbeat, dude.

Well, mine's Jesus. But second is El. [laughter] Yeah, of course. If we're going there, I'm going I'm going God.

I'm going Anunnaki. [laughter] I'm going I'm going Adam and Eve. I'm going Adam, dude. That's where I'm going.

And then Elvis. And then Elvis. And then [laughter] All right. Sick.

All right. We'll see y'all later. Yeah, man. Thank you so much.

Thanks again, dude. Absolutely, brother. It was awesome. This was awesome.

Hook them. [music] Bar with the daylight floor. It's the final crash. [music] They'll leave him putting back the pieces.

She don't need him all mama said these men [music] ain't built right. Only good at leaving after one night. Yes, ma'am. They might seem polite, [music] but Mustangs run wild.

It's another jackpot. Living life like a heathen. Everybody [music] knows ain't no rest for the wicked. She's doping his ass like a sail.

Don't come home. Kick rocks cowboy.