Jake Masterpool

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There's a season for everything is the way I kind of try to look at it, you know, because think of work, think of business, think of travel on the road, you know what I mean? Going to all these tours, whatever it may be, is there's a season where like, hey, this is going to be tough. I got to persevere. I got to sacrifice here.

But you see, if you don't take it the other way, too, and it's just go, it doesn't work. You know, it may for a season or two, but you I mean, I'm sure you guys seen it in your guys' field all the time where it's like, dude, they just where do they go? Yeah. they just tank out.

Whatever it is, they blow up, get addicted, whatever it may be, where you just look for these other things to kind of mask the problem instead of get to the root cause. Yeah. Yeah. There's like a quality over quantity thing sometimes.

Oh, yeah. And there's I love that quote. I say that a lot coaching guys and doing this cuz you get so caught up in um you know the 10,000 hour and validity to it, but it's like can we get there in three? Sure.

You know. Yeah, totally. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Just putting in quality time and then not burning out. Burn like burnout's a real thing with no matter what you do and just staying consistent. But stop when you stop doing something for a week, months, a year, two years.

It's way more detrimental than just going like really hard at it for like one year. Mhm. You know, or you go really hard at something for a month and then take two months off and you're not going to get anywhereough. Just staying consistent with something.

When I say that, I feel like I'm just preaching to myself. It's hard to maintain. Yeah. But that's the fun part, you know, it's just kind of like realizing how it's always something you can improve on as well.

And I think that's where the joy comes in as well is just the how do you constantly improve in a healthy manner, you know, cuz one thing I've been going in my life right now is how do you do everything is on to the Lord, you know, because when it comes in when it came into like when I was racing and all this kind of stuff, like I was I was top tier. gave all my effort, did everything I could, fitness, nutrition, all this. Okay. But how'd you do on your rest?

How'd you do on taking it easy? How'd you do on spending time with family? You know, it's like maybe not so good on those. Yeah.

Shoot. Giving your best. Yeah. In all categories.

So, yeah. When you're hanging out with your wife, absolutely. Giving maximum effort. Yeah.

So, if it is time to just hang out and have fun. Yeah. Like, are you really or are you still thinking about everything else? Oh, man.

I'm terrible at that. Me, too. terrible, you know, and it's kind of it's you know, it's kind of funny how God really does work all things for good, but you know, I've lost so many relationships because I was so serious uh with motocross and this. It's like I can't, you know, they're all want to go out and do this.

It's like I can't, you know what I mean? If I got to get up and do this and it's going to hurt my performance, I cut it out. You know what I mean? And I was a little too serious, you know, looking back at it.

I wish I could have been a little bit more uh maybe freespirited the right word. Do you think sometimes within maybe athletics or anything that's performanceoriented, do you think sometimes people by being so focused, they kind of get themselves even psyched out because they're so focused? I've observed some people that have this sort of they put in the work and put in the training, but they find ways of detaching their mind and sort of when it's time to finally perform, they just they're very free flowing and they just let it all go. And I found those people to be very, very successful.

And they might even have some little ticks about them that they're like, "That's weird you did that." First thing that comes to mind is like the stories about Michael Jordan like the night before huge games and he'd be out at the casino. Um, sure. You know, there's some rodeo guys uh that like some bull riders and stuff that like, you know, they just be like boozing or they're like ripping sigs before they get on a bull, but it's like part of this way of they're putting in a lot of work when people aren't around.

Yeah. But then they have these things that seem odd. Yeah. But I think it's ways of them sort of detaching.

Yeah. Because that's the only thing I would disagree on is you tell a guy like Michael Jordan to take it easy and to not try so hard. It's like good luck. You know what I mean?

Because you see I think that's such a slippery slope and it's so dependent on each athlete. Yeah. You know, because it's like try like literally, you know what I mean? Try tell that to MJ or try telling that to Kobe or any of the greats.

You know, I just Well, I'm not saying don't try hard. No, no, no. Uh overanalyzing it, over um cuz correct me if wrong, what you were just talking about was how you can take it too serious and then that's like a diminish on return where you start overanalyzing, stressing out about Maybe it's when you're taking it serious. When you're taking it too serious.

The analysis needs to happen at certain points. Absolutely. I think it's more about just being present on like when you're working, when you're done, be done, you know, cuz it's like sometimes like when you're trying to take that break. This was I did a terrible job at when I was supposed to be resting.

I wasn't resting. And when I you know what I And then like you see how that carries over into other fields where it's just like, you know, that's where I think I got like Epstein bar and all this stuff cuz I wasn't respecting how much I was doing and then you see, you know, kind of back into the balance game of it is the body can only do so much. You know what I mean? Because the hard part is like I love like you know stay hard you know go all these things but it just if you don't prioritize your training and all this kind of stuff with elite athletes it doesn't last maybe for a season or two but it's like how can we get you know it's burnout such a real thing especially in our sport it's you know we're finally maturing as a sport where you're done by 25 26 it's like dude that's your peak age peak age you know there it's wrapping up now around.

Oh, they're finally maturing. You know, they're finally maturing where it's like you could be kicking butt at 30s, even upper 30s. You know what I mean? As far as a physiological, if you're able to stay healthy, injuryfree, and enjoyment of the mind.

How do you stay How do you stay injury free racing motocross? Ah, that's where I love the physical training side of it because that's what I've been really prioritizing here lately. Um, is you got to be built like a gladiator. You got to be built strong.

I'm going to be built resilient you know and that's where it's kind of fun to see the sport maturing there as there as well is you know say maybe 5 10 years ago it's been pretty recent they were all very skinny very skinny as light as you can be and then there's a couple of guys that have really come on that are just built we well built resilient through it and they can take a hit and take it and bounce up you know cuz the hard part about our sport it's not uh if it's kind of a in? Are you going to have a big hit? And are you going to be able to bounce up? Because, you know, a lot of our past champions uh or guys contending for champions are so close and then it would just fall apart from one little thing next, you know.

So, it's and so most of that is just from physical training and preparation, right? Because the I don't I mean the actual equipment and gear and like I guess safety mechanisms. I mean there's only so much you can do. Correct.

Yeah. I mean there's improved in ways but I mean Yeah. Because there's a couple things that are on debate, you know, right now. It's kind of a fun one because a couple of guys are debating on knee braces compared to knee pads and neck braces compared to no neck braces.

And I always like to look at what's the root cause and what's the root reason for resilience because don't get me wrong, there's certain things that are absolutely important. You know what I mean? Like no one's debating on a helmet. No one's debating on that technology getting better.

What I like to look at is how can we get your body as strong, resilient, light as possible for it. You know, because a great example right now is Chase Sex. And I maybe I'm a little biased because uh I love Peter Park. He's one of the, in my opinion, one of the best physical trainers we have right here.

And I've been truly blessed to like work with him and gain so much knowledge from him. And then you see a guy like him where Chase has had some doozies. He's had some big mess ups, some big falls through it and he's able to bounce up, you know, and it's like, wow, that's huge. So, what was the phrase you said about resilience?

he said is what's the root cause and then and then what's the what's like the way to fix that and how to get you truly resilient in all categories. Okay. So, this is purely from physical training. Uh in my opinion, that's the majority.

And so, historically in the sport of like motocross, supercross, there just wasn't that much going on. Um or just the way that they did it was not Well, now everyone's so on it. Like now we're getting in a cool era of being physically fit and doing all that is a bare minimum. You know, we're in a real cool era of yeah, everyone's taking it so serious where that's not a huge um advantage anymore.

You know, like Ricky Carmichael is really well known for being the guy who kind of really changed it and made everyone start taking it more serious. you know, not as much party and you can't go out the night before and expect to do good, you know, where guys like Jeremy McGrath are very famously say it's like, "Oh, you hate all these guys. Just make sure I just drink less than IG or these guys." You know what I mean?

It's like I knew I got a shot the next day. Yeah. Um, you know, so it's kind of fun to just see the evolution of the sport. you know, the sport kind of I always like call it growing up.

And we're still very much in our infant stage in my mind because there's still so many things we could be doing better as organizations and way we manage the races and that kind of stuff, you know. So, that's interesting to look at cuz like we were talking about earlier, I love just looking into how things work and how to make them better, you know? So, I kind of get a little too carried away with that uh sometimes. Is do you think that's something unique to you or is that a family trait or did you learn that from somebody always been that way?

Man, I like the way you worded that. Never really been asked that. I would have to actually say that might be a family thing cuz my dad is very much like that. Um he's very much like that.

Yeah. in a in a couple of ways that stand out to me of just searching for the truth and what's the best way to optimize it. You know, because the one thing where we do different our training is how do we get your body in the most structurally strong position to be able to handle all the conditions that are thrown at you where it's more of a simple answers instead of uh just teaching things because they've been taught that way. You know, that's very common in our industry.

You know, one of the things that's kind of uh I think it's common almost in every industry. Totally. It's really tough to try to change anything. Yeah.

Hey, Michael, you got a lighter? I freaking let my cigar go out. Um Thank you, sir. Um you know, so it's kind of fun to see where, you know, one of the things I like to poke at just because um I'm a big fan of coaching and I encourage all of our uh our athletes, you know, just because I say it doesn't make it right.

Question me. You know what I mean? Because if I can't answer and if I can't explain it to you, that's kind of a red flag. Yeah.

You know, cuz a lot of coaches right now I like to kind of look at and just analyze. You know, one of the things that's taught in motocross and it's still taught for some reason is like elbows up and all this kind of stuff. You know what I mean? And like you go to any physical trainer, even the dumb ones, and they're going to tell you that's a very weak, vulnerable position.

The shoulder is a floating joint. It has no strength when your elbows are up and your shoulders are up like this. you got to lock those suckers down like you're doing a bench press and all this kind of stuff. Dude, that is very interesting because like I never had I grew up in the era where there just wasn't as much coaching going on in motocross cuz I ended up getting into it when I was young in elementary school and I got my first bike and then uh graduated to the next one and then like just kind of did the recreational type stuff and then started racing motocross when I was like in the seventh grade and then I went for like a couple years.

I didn't know that. Yeah, I only did I got up to 85s though and then I had my like it was like my second really bad wreck and then that was the moment then I was going into high school into my freshman year and it was that like do I I wanted to play all the other sports and it was such a big commitment. It was a lot like rodeo where it's like you're going to have to probably might even get homeschooled and do that and I just didn't want it. You have that first like real hey yeah that's how bad and then it changed everything.

I hadn't had one like that yet and it changed how I perceived everything I was doing and then you started thinking too much and then at that point it's like dude there's no reason to be doing this you're just going to get even more hurt. So yeah so anyways my point was we I didn't have any real coaching or anything so you're just trying to pick up everything that you could. It also shows you in that sport how much more dangerous it is when like when you don't have any like when you don't have any actual like education on it and any coaching on it like it just gets even more there's a lot of stuff I could have gotten around if somebody would have just shown me some stuff. Yeah.

Um and so I remember watching Travis Pastana and I always remember he had like a real elbows up type vibe to him. Yeah. And I always just tried to copy it and so that's actually really funny. Yeah.

And that's where it's so cool. Yeah. And that's funny cuz that's exactly why it gets taught is because you see other riders do it and you're like that must be right. It's like a golf swing little bit.

But same with golf swing is it's such a mechanical thing where you see the guys who are pure and have the right fundamentals with it and you see that's why they're so much more consistent and efficient. Very. And they don't get hurt as much. Very.

Like there's even golfers that they have these kind of unorthodox swings and a lot of them end up having like back issues and stuff like that because they're trying to develop a lot of torque and they can Yeah. but until some other things start giving out then that torque leads to just injuries. Oh, for sure. So, yeah, that's really interesting on what other types of uh like common uh misconceptions are there that it's like, oh, that's the way we do it that you're like absolutely not.

This is not the way that we need to be doing that. What's like two or three of them? Yeah, I love it. Let's throw some stuff.

Um, you know, a couple of things and especially with the elbows up to finish on that is because just because you see a picture of a rider doing it doesn't mean that's what he wanted to do in that position anyway because there's so much variables going on where you'll fall into this position. You know, a real common one up is outside elbow up, you know, and you're sticking your leg out sideways. You know, there's a lot of pitchers of pros like that, some of the best in the world. Um, but that's also not an ideal position because if you're in that position, I could push you over no problem.

Where if you have your legs clamped in here, hinging at your hips properly, staying more centered with the bike, man, you can take on a lot more inertia. When things go wrong, you're in a position to fix it. Where those you're very vulnerable, you know, so it's simply where does the body need to be structurally most sound through it. Yeah.

You know, just because there's so many guys that get so good at doing the wrong thing. You think about all the weird golf swings you've seen, you know? I love that example because like all you got to do is make that face square up at impact and that ball will go and some guys are more athletic than others. Oh yeah.

So they can take something pretty unorthodox and make it work. Yeah. I mean, do you look at Dash Shambo? Certain guys like those where it's like uh so mechanical, you know what I mean?

Like not pure, you know? So many guys accuse him of like not being a pure golfer and it's like I don't care. It works. Yeah.

Totally. And then there's other ones that don't like freaking Yeah. They're just athletic. They just make it happen.

Very, you know, and that's what I love about getting into the technique of it because, you know, one thing you got to be very careful of, especially as a coach, is the day you know it all is a is a bad day, you know, and keeping your mind open with also just searching for the truth and what's the best way for this athlete to perform, you know, because at the end of the day, it's your job to make that athlete safer, more resilient, where he can handle any circumstances and progress. Okay, so we have like elbow up, opposite leg out. Yeah. What's another one?

Um, man, there's a lot. What's something that comes to mind? The one that I always kind of laugh at is uh and I got to be careful with my words there. I shouldn't laugh at it, but is uh like get your get your nuts up on the tank or sit up on the tank.

Yeah. You know, that's a very common. And the thing I like to question I just said it too. I literally we were up in Colorado for a show and they had pit bikes.

I was playing at a rodeo and then the people that put it on had pit bikes and so we went and rode pit bikes and my drummer uh he used to ride some when he was younger. Yeah. And uh I we were on pit bikes and I was like, "Hey, get up on get up on the tank there." Like I said it to a pit bike which makes even less sense.

But And it's funny because uh you know so much of that happens just because like you were taught it. So hey, I was taught this. Well, yeah. And I didn't I mean I did it at such a low level.

It's like I probably just heard some dude like in the pits just like I probably saw it on some little magazine thing and then I'm like that's the freaking gospel truth right there for sure. And it's hard because especially with things like those is it can work. Like don't get me wrong some of the best in the world do it. So why that why is that a bad idea?

Uh just because you're putting weight on an unsolid foundation. So you want to look at the bike is what's more solid, the front end or the rear end? Which one's going to be more forgiving? Okay.

Because every crash in my opinion is connected to overriding riding the front end, riding over your head, and pushing it fast past fatigue, which is kind of the same as over your head. What do you mean? Correct. Just sending it.

You know what I mean? Just um you shouldn't be doing it. Yeah. Just getting out of whack.

You know, one of those things. And but if you look at almost every fall, it's almost connected to the front end. Like, you know, I could use general terms like that because you see when your hips collapse and you fall forward like that, especially decelerating, that front end's going to wash. It's going to tuck.

It's going to throw you, your rear end's going to step out. All of those things where if you are extreme on the rear, like let's go extremes. Say you have 100% of weight on the front end, that sucker is going to knife on you pretty freaking quick. Like pretty quick.

Where if you had 100% on their weight without looping out, um, that thing's going to drive. It's going to go in a straight line. It's going to go over here. it's going to rail through it.

You know, one of the guys I like, he even did it to a fault was Zack Osborne. Fallen off the rear of the thing multiple times, but it's so much more forgiving. But wasn't Zack when was he really riding? Um, he just retired a couple years ago.

Um, yeah. So, was he was he getting flak for riding that way? No. No.

Okay. So, things already kind of started to change a little bit. Yeah. Yeah.

you know, well, the reason why um not the reason why, but like a couple reasons why that's so much better is because the rear tire is so much more forgiving. And whenever you want to, you just basically want to think of your riding style as building a house pad. You know, it's like a lot of guys are trying to build skyscrapers on a house pad and it's like, eh, that ain't going to work. You got to build your foundation up so you can really go up with it.

And you basically want to try and develop a technique that can always get better instead of like, dang, I really got to do some changes from the ground up if I want to keep getting better. You know, there's a lot of athletes right now that are just have really reached their top output because of their technique. You know, a lot of like Barsha, a lot of these guys, in my opinion, have kind of reached their peak because they're so much of a tryhard rider. you know, they're just very point shoot Yeah.

kind of technique where you look at the Lawrenes, the Sexons, the Roxson where it's like poetry emotion where you see where they're very smooth. Their tempo is we're like where are they getting on the gas? Like it's so smooth through it and you see how that can always be better naturally organically, you know, cuz doesn't matter. Does that always lead to faster?

Uh in my opinion, yeah. where if you have that perfect tempo, that smooth tempo through that turn, even slow, that can always be faster. You know what I mean? It's kind of one of those things.

Obviously, there's so many variables, but in crude words, you can always come to a turn faster and you can always be faster at the beginning of the turn. Can you survive the turn is the hard part. Sure. You know, but were you looking or even what you're talking about with longevity and staying healthy?

Absolutely. Like the idea of you might be able to be faster, but that probably won't economy emotion. what's energy efficient, all of those things. Where you look at a guy like Marsha, like man, I would just love like he's in my opinion one of the most fittest guys out there because like how do you ride like that and go that fast for that long just abusing everything, you know what I mean?

Where it's just kind of like wild, you know? And he's amazing. He's such a good rider, you know what I mean? as far as his career and all those things, but you see where you kind of get to the max quicker, but then it kind of stops and it's much harder to get much leaps and bounds better.

And that's where I love technique because I truly believe um you know, think of a my utility mule get around. I use this for an example a lot. If I throw a McLaren motor in that thing, I don't get a sports car. it maybe go fast in a straight line if you can get the sucker to work, but if I throw a chassis in there, if I do suspension, if I do ergonomics and all this, and then I throw a motor in there, I got a sports car, I got performance.

So, so your brother races professionally now currently still. So, uh, his name's Tai Masterpool. Yep. So, when y'all first started though, did you guys have some sort of formal training or was it a pretty organic like just average Joe like backyard kind of stuff for y'all or did you guys pretty quickly go in and get like formal training on this?

Uh, so we grew up with uh my dad Jerry Masterpool and he's his background uh not only is studying it but just came from a skiing, snowboarding, Olympic level background. like a lot of his guys like came to Jesse's funeral of won gold medals and all those things and I and this is where I was kind of I enjoyed your question earlier of is it natural in the family for to question things or like how do you learn and those type of things and I think that's why he's one of the best coaches out there for sure it's because you're able to just look for the truth and like how can things be better instead of just getting stuck in your ways and that's a very easy and dangerous way to do it too. You know, there's pros and cons. Obviously, you got to stand firm, you know, when things come your way, uh, you know, in a spiritual sense or you got to fight for truth.

And so, we anyway, we got it at a young age, uh, developing the techniques that he did and just proper body mechanics, you know, but his came from a different discipline. Yeah. Yeah. And just, uh, studying it, you know, and just the kind of like degrees in body mechanics, but just understanding the human body in general and applying it to a new Absolutely.

And that was purely just because you guys got interested in dirt bikes. Uh yeah. And I that I don't it's so hard to get it out of them because they're a little too humble. It's kind of annoying.

Uh you know, you kind of want them to like, hey, spill the beans a little bit, you know. Um and you and so the way I like to word it is, are you good at deciphering [expletive] or not? Are you able to take in all these ideas and figure out what works and what doesn't in anything? Yeah.

you know, and that's how I think you find the best package for each athlete and go about how to put together the proper body mechanics, the proper hinge points. You know, there's certain positions that are just simply stronger than others. Okay, what are those? How do we find it?

Are your legs stronger, straighter, or bent in certain things? You know what I mean? Because it's like you can stand a heck of a lot longer with straight legs, but if I put you in a wallsit, you ain't going to last that long. Yeah.

You know, so it's just, okay, how's that with riding? Where's the strong hinge points? Are you engaging in your hips? Are you is your spine properly aligned?

are you hunchback? Are you tactical turtle? You know, all of those things come into play and then it's about deciphering it and like, okay, where is the hinge point? And it was so funny.

Uh I loved this because uh Dr. Eric Goodman has a really good on findational training and whatnot on what time just foundational training. Okay. Uh proper like just technique and just physological just to get you well-rounded and strength.

and uh read his book a while ago and uh it was funny because he was on this podcast with Gypsy Tales and I've never seen him. I didn't know what he looked like at all and I'm just watching these highlights and I'm listening to this guy talk and I'm like, man, this guy's solid, you know, like who is this? And then slowly cover and figure out it's him, you know what I mean? And it's funny how just from him having an awesome understanding of the body mechanics, he's explaining exactly how you should ride.

And I'm like, that's awesome. You know what I mean? And he, you know what I mean? I don't know his story at all, but I guarantee you he doesn't know much about motocross and cuz he works with Peter Park as well until they started getting into it.

You know, that's why I love talking to Peter about it because when he got into it, he's like, "Dude, there's a whole world I didn't even know." Cuz when you take anyone else, I definitely don't know anything about that world. Yeah. It's so outside of my We're just trying to get guys to like not be alcoholics, you know?

Like that's the world out. Yeah. Yeah. Like don't smoke so many cigarettes.

That's like what we're Yeah. Just cigars. Cigars doesn't count, dude. Yeah.

Right. Just don't inhale it. Um, you know, so it's kind of It's so fun talking to guys at such elite levels where I look at them and like the physical realm when they figure out about a sport like motocross, they're like, "How the heck are you doing this?" Because when you look at the data and all these things, what the athletes are doing, it's insane.

I don't think people insane really. I've heard people watch it on TV and stuff and they're like, "Come on, it's just riding a dirt bike." Like, why does it have I don't think people understand. Just twist the throttle.

Jeez. Yeah. I don't think people have any idea just how physically demanding it is. No.

Don't you don't even have to just assume you could never get hurt doing it. Yeah. Just the just the physical side. Yes.

Yeah. It's insane. You know, cuz like when you look at the heart rate, like these boys are at max heart rate, you know, 190. Even some of the guys are like 200 for 35 minutes straight.

When you look at their heart rate data, it goes peak red line and it's there the entire time. There is not another sport like that. All this the comparisons that they've done like peer reviewview studies and whatnot. I think the second one is a midfielder in soccer just because that dude's like sprinting side to side.

Like I think I'm not that familiar with soccer but or football uh with it all the way through. Thank you. Thank you, dude. That was gonna piss me off if you didn't fix that.

I know. Yeah. Yeah. That's the one thing I'm like, America, like come on.

We stole that in the wrong way. Oh, dude, you're talking to someone. You're talking about something I don't care about. Yeah, I know.

Yeah. It's like, it's funny, too, cuz I always think about it. It's like, dude, how did we call, you know, soccer not football here? It's like it's literally football.

Like, it is bizarre. It is bizarre. Yeah. But I refuse to call it football.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's insane.

Um, but it's so cool to see them come into this world and like, how are you guys doing this? Yeah, because you know, a lot of times they don't factor in adrenaline and all these other things and just the mental uh when you're making decisions every second and the dirt's constantly changing, you're constantly adapting, overcoming, and making split decisions uh with it. You know, it's been really fun, too, because and it's kind of a neat uh God story because uh my wife and all this like I really prayed to find a woman like outside of motocross like in my mind um whenever I was getting serious about uh my walk and when I really surrendered my life over to Christ and I was like, "All right, what does it mean to be a real, you know, a Christian or what does it mean to be a Bible believing and what does it mean to uh surrender your life, you know, because you constantly hear verses like 2 Corinthians 5:17 where it's talking about uh if course I'm blanking. Um therefore, if anyone cries, he is a new creation.

The old has passed away. Behold, the new has come. Like what does that mean? Like be behold the new has come.

And anyway, I went down that walk and kind of just figured out, you know, my own convictions and all this and was like, "All right, I need to find me a good, you know, godly woman and how does that look?" And then I started searching around churches and then figured out a lot of women are not what they say they are. And that was a scary thing. Uh but anyway, well, and there is like a little bit of a stereotype for like type of MX girl.

Yeah. Well, in my mind, because it was kind of funny, uh I, you know, had a really good amateur career, you know, and then, uh, things just didn't work out, you know, I came into the pro ranks as a privateeer and that was right when I was about to set off, uh, cuz I was able to get rookie of the year in the 450 class and as a privateier, like I don't know of anyone that's ever done that. and just kind of, you know, the next year I was coming in hot. You know, I had good speed.

Yeah. So, a privateeer is like you don't have any that's just you're on your own. You're on your own. Yeah.

You're figuring out bikes, you're figuring out support, you're figuring out sponsors and all those things, you know, where the factory teams, it's just uh it's insane, you know? Yeah. It's like uh trying to be an indie artist versus on like a record label. Okay.

You know, it'd be like a similar thing. You just don't have the budget. You don't have the staff. you don't have the help.

Yeah, it's you. Yeah. You know, you're just grinding. Totally.

What did that look like? Um, man, it was crazy, you know. But just to finish the story before my mind goes haywire. Um, you know, I really prayed to have a woman uh that kind of didn't know anything about motocross just so in my mind she didn't like me because of I was, you know, a good motocross rider or anything like that.

Like you see how it is in your field. Uh, you know, pick any sport. You know, the lady's just kind of like, "Oh, you're famous. Okay."

in this kind of stuff, you know, not saying that I was, but in my mind, I wanted that to not even be a question. And it was funny because he really answered that. Like her and her family knew nothing of motocross. It was hilarious.

Absolutely hilarious. And you know, they're asking me, you know, so like, "Oh, what do you do for work?" And I was like, "Oh, you know, I do professional motocross." And they're like, "Oh, cool.

So, like, what do you actually do for work?" You know, so it's just hilarious, you know. How long did that take to explain? Geez.

Um, it was funny. I got a couple good examples and I really like them. Um so the way I explained supercross and motocross because they couldn't understand the difference uh with it where it's like and it's funny cuz this is no insult against supercross at all. It's like supercross is like figure skating where you have to be absolute precision.

There is no room for error. It's you know it's so it's just precision where motocross is more like hockey. It's just raw. It's tough.

It's just a different uh thing. You know, the hard the different part with us is supercross. If you make a mistake, you're going to the hospital, you know, you're not getting docked a couple points. Um, you know, and motocross is just raw tough.

And that's because Supercross is just the amplitude's bigger. Uh, the track design, you know, just because we're in a stadium, okay? You know, everything's different like the suspension, bike setup, everything's different. It's much more uh steeper jumps, rhythms, supercross whoops, all those things.

It's much uh more precision where not like motocross is not but supercross is just heightened you know like there's no room for error like in motocross like you can overshoot jumps you can jump to flat you can launch things you can come up short and it's like a oogh you know there's very few jumps in the national circuit where it's like a you know pretty bad if you come up short and of course the one jump I did come up short on was like Lorocco's leap my rookie year my bike is that the one that wait's leap yeah red bud yeah is that where he like broke his back or something. Or is that why they call it that? Or wait, who's the guy? No, that was um H Jeez Louise.

I'm pretty sure it's Doug Henry. Oh, it is. Henry Hill. Henry Hill.

Okay. Right. Okay. Yeah.

Um No, that was just a scary one. He had a brake failure going up uh this huge Oh, like kind of like wall jump crown and he just brake failure and he just completely sky it. Yeah. To the bottom.

Like that one was just gross. Like it was just Yeah. Those are the ones you just scary, you know? But like by rookie year, uh, my bike lost power.

And I didn't realize it at time, but when I went back out for the race, my bike blew up first lap like right away. And I came up short on this jump. I broke a couple ribs, couple fingers, and all these things. And then right when you uh I duct tape them up, you know, you must have up the courage to go race and then your bike just blows up.

You're just like, come on. You know, you push through the pain. You're like, you don't even get the record of keep going. Um, so that's the one jump you don't want to case.

And I did that pretty good. I even got on video. It goes. But so you do something like that in Supercross though.

Mhm. It's a different story. Mhm. This is more a little bit more forgiving in motocross maybe a little more wide open.

Little bit. Yeah. Yeah. Supercross it's getting to the point where it's ridiculous in my opinion.

Uh just because of the way the tracks are designed and all this things is they think because if the jumps are peakier and all this it looks better to the fans and all that kind of stuff. And it's just complete bull crap in my opinion. If you listen to the fans and if you listen to what they want, they want to see racing. They want to see guys close to each other and they want to see raw battle and here's the deal.

They want to be able to like live they want to be a fan of somebody throughout their career. Absolutely. Like they want to grow to know him like they're seeing them getting hurt all the time. Yeah.

And I think the sport is like I don't know it's not happened at the level that it should. So, I'm kind of have a bad attitude with it just because in my opinion with not only the background we have with designing tracks and all this, I see how easy it is to fix and how a lot of these accidents uh can be mitigated because you're designing tracks where if you make any mistake screwed and I hate to break it to you, the writers are human. They're going to make a mistake. It's going to you know what I mean?

And it's they riders can't sorry the fans can't tell a difference if that landing is rounded or if it's peaking. They don't know. They don't give a crap. They can't tell.

Okay, that's what I love about freestyle freaking maturing a hell of a lot quicker than we are. Their landings are a pillow now. It's like a big airbag. The way I describe it, I don't know the proper word, but it's soft.

These riders are literally falling out of the air, landing on this thing, and then popping up where, man, 10 years ago, they're done, you know, and it's, you know, I really enjoy them like starting to give a crap on the safety side. And I just wish as us as a sport would mature a little faster on, man, this sport is dangerous and there's always there's only so much you can do. We're in a dangerous sport. It, you know, you can't put pillows on these guys and just be like, okay, you know, figure it out.

It's you got to be realistic. But in my opinion, so many of the things are easily avoidable and they're not even trying. You know, that's where I get frustrated because if you ask them, they're like, "Oh, of course we care. Of course we're trying.

We're doing all these things." But it's my opinion, I don't see the fruit of that. Yeah. I don't see where we're taking action to do all this because the one thing that's nice is they're trying to do it with the whoops.

you know, they're bringing in the whoops a little bit because I think it was 22 or 23. Almost every factory rider was hurt and out of the season. It was brutal. There was two left.

Literally two left. Looking at pictures of just a whoop section in Supercross, I can't even just my mind can't even fathom how big. Yeah. Yeah.

And it's tough because a guy like me, like I'm a bigger dude. I love whoops. I can shred some SuperRoss whoops and even I'm like, "Okay, these are stupid." You know?

Some of them are just so big and just so like, "Guys, what are we doing?" You know what I mean? And it's hard cuz for me it's an advantage. Like because you're bigger.

Uh taller. Is that taller? Yeah. It just your hinge points.

You got a little bit more room between the seat. And it's not entirely true, but it is an advantage. You know, there's just certain body characteristics that um are better for certain things, you know. Um, and whoops is one of them.

Like when I get me some whoops, I love it. You know, just especially like motocross just raw manuals. What would be what would be the ideal body type? Um, that 59 10 to 6 foot is pretty Goldilocks area.

Um, especially if you can get a fast bike. 250 class, it's a little bit more of a power game where the smaller guys do have an advantage on the starts. um you know because there's a lot of uh like there's really not that many tall champions you know there's a couple don't get me wrong like for sure um but the smaller guys definitely have an advantage when just a power toweight ratio on the starts how tall was Dunie he was 510 or 5'11 I think okay so he was right in your Yeah he just looked taller I guess he was pretty thin wasn't hem but he was very wellrounded on far as strength Um he was one of those guys that uh you know personally I would like to seen a little bit more muscle on him. Uh but he was very close to that.

Like he was not one of those little guys. Okay. Um you know like do you know Muskin? Marvin Muskin.

He's one of those guys who was like a twig. Like he was very skinny, very fast, such a finesse rider. Like he was honestly cool to watch. He's a Frenchman.

Uh but he would barely fall and blow his shoulder out. like a couple of his falls where he got hurt where like he barely fell. Yeah. You know, and then you get guys like Sexon who were falling out of the air and jump right up.

You know what I mean? It's just what's the difference, you know? Totally. You know, and that's where I like looking at things, what's the root cause, not the symptom, you know, because it's easy to get caught with like, all right, how do we treat the symptom?

I mean, look at our healthcare, look at anything. It's just like, oh, here, take this. Get out of my way. So, so now you're actually training people and working with people uh out of you have your own location now in your own track, I guess.

Yeah. Yeah. So, we're out in paradise. Uh it's called like his 956 facility.

Um and like his is for God and then 956 is for my older brother who passed away. Uh that was his racing number. Um and then we've been out there since 2010. And Oh, yeah.

You've been Okay. Where is it at? Yeah. Uh Paradise.

Uh so, you know, Bridgeport. Yeah. Yeah. Like so just it's out there.

Yeah. Yeah. We're like 30 minutes from here. So that's How many tracks do you have out there?

Uh you can't really count them. It's kind of fun. Whoa. That's crazy.

So we have four Supercross tracks, you know. So we have quite a bit. And like we're uh we have another one that we don't really count. It's like an arena cross, but we change it so much, you know.

It's kind of like a stepping stone. Um cuz we kind of have a different way of thinking with uh SuperRoss a little bit where these guys don't need to be on spec Supercross tracks all year. They need to fluctuate and be so used to change when they go to a different venue. They adapt right away because a lot of guys use excuses like right now Praau and a couple Euros who um you know rookies use it a lot like I don't know the tracks.

I'm just getting the hang of it this season. give me a couple years in all of this. And we look at that as kind of a lame excuse. We look at that as you didn't prepare properly.

Dude, my uh 11-year-old self can't believe I'm talking to you. That's so funny how life how life works out, man. That is hilarious. I was obsessed.

Obsessed from like probably n or 10 years old until I was like 15 or 14. Absolutely obsessed. Yeah, that's cool. And that's what I truly love about y'all's industry and a couple other industries where there's just such a mutual respect where you just love it.

Uh I think specifically though when I grew up though, dude, extreme sports was like the thing. Everybody skateboarded. Uh yeah, nobody really nobody really got the chance to surf at least around here or anything. Yeah, it was a little different cuz I kind of grew up in SoCal, so it was like You did?

Oh, yeah. Oh, where you're from? Where are you from? Uh Nevada, actually.

Oh, yeah. So, we had a ranch out there. We had cattle ranch and then um like I was kind of telling you earlier, that's how we started. Uh because we um we were on a quad, you know, just to zip around, you know, check things.

And it was funny as heck. We were driving on this embankment and of course, you know, I'm holding on to Jesse for dear life on the back of this quad. And uh right when my dad looks over to see us, you know, he said he clocked us to like 45 or we were we were cooking and we hit something and just go full airborne and I guess it just totally destroyed the quad. All of our clothes fell off and it was just a complete mess but not a scratch on us.

I guess we were fine. Uh but the quad was wrecked and all this and um they my parents and a couple of the other skiing guys uh would use motocross as like a cross trainining. Uh so they had the great idea of hey let's get him an XR50. It's something slow and keep them out of trouble.

And of course that did the exact opposite. And we just uh Jesse rode first. Oh yeah. And Jesse rode first.

Loved it. And of course I'm then I'm like, "Oh yeah, I want to do it." You know, and then How old were you roughly? He was eight.

Yeah. I was five. Yeah. Oh yeah.

So you five. That's actually so funny. You say you didn't really Would you say you started at it young? Uh I would say I did.

Okay. Yeah. Jesse a little later like for anyone to be you know what I mean especially now it's a whole different beast but you know he started at eight like just riding like that was the first time he rode a bike and so nowadays what does that look like? Oh yeah it's like two and three it's pretty crazy and they and but they're like they've got them on like a I don't know like a protocol where they're going to like this is how your life is going to go.

Hopefully not all of them. Yeah, hopefully not all of them, but there is. But I guess every most every sport's gotten that way. It's gotten so specialized.

Yeah, it's pretty gnarly, you know, and I think that's the nature of the beast of uh everything just being elevated where it's like, okay, how can we elevate it even more, you know, and that's where I think I love coaching so much and just uh how do how do you optimize it to get another niche, to get another percentage, get another 10%. Is that possible? And you know that's why I'm such a love the attitude of what does it mean to do everything is onto the Lord in every aspect you know because you see not only Jesus's example but just what scripture lays out for us where it's about that presence and it's about the posture of your heart where you see you're going to screw up you're going to make mistakes but you know in the spiritual if you surrender and you fall on your knees, you know what I mean? You truly believe that God sent Jesus down, died on the cross for your sins and rose again where you're forgiven and you go into these things and his grace is just overflowing.

You know, I really try and have that posture in everything we do in life because there's no perfect program. There's no cookie cutter way of if you do this, you're going to be a dungee. You're going to be a toac. You're going to be a jet.

name your guy. It's your own journey, your own walk. Everyone has such different roads and everyone has such different uh different Delta hands, different cards, all this. And how do you overcome it?

And how do you capitalize on the opportunity that you have? You know, because there's so many guys that have came in through motocross that should have been the next great that completely go away and completely never even get close to what they could have just because this sport. Do you think most of Do you think a lot that is typically mental or physical? There's so many.

Just could go either way. Yeah. Or a combination. Yeah.

All of it. You know, cuz in motocross, that's what in my opinion what makes it such a level up from any other sport is you have to be so wellrounded. So wellrounded. You know, think of football.

Think of all these other sports where you have to be um you can be a little rougher around the edges. You can just be brutal for a couple seconds and then do this, not as finesse, all this where you know there's just different roles. You know, there's so many pieces to the puzzle where in motocross, you're the puzzle. It's all on you.

Oh, yeah. There's no mercy. There's no um Ah, Jared blew it. Jared's not trying as hard as I am.

You know what I mean? It's all on you. You know, there it's so unforgiving. It's um you know, one little mental thing, one little physical thing, one little thing.

My dad never said I love me and all this kind of stuff. And then one day he does. So you're all like giddy and then you're just riding on another level. There's so many variables that people don't understand how it all plays a role and how's your program, you know, that's what's so cool about any professional athlete, you know, but motocross in my opinion is such next level because the room for error is like not there.

Not there. You know, like football. Oh, I missed the step. Darn it.

I didn't get the catch. Yeah. And you kind of are compared to some other It's weird. Other than the track changing throughout the race.

Yeah. And I guess your bike changes some potentially throughout the race. Uh it's one of the few ones that it kind of all of it would be your fault. Like if you're looking at something that has such high cost.

Yeah. like bull riding is really the or base jumping or something. I guess base jumping would be the only thing more dangerous than like both bull riding and motocross. Yeah, I guess technically in terms of death, maybe like racing cars or something, but I don't find that to have as much of the physical component.

But my point is like getting on getting on a bull there's so many variables out of your control. Yeah. Like I mean you have an animal with a mind of its own and it you think it might do one thing but it could do all sorts of other stuff. There's just stuff that can happen.

Yeah. But like with racing a dirt bike, all of it's kind of in your control. Oh, well, I mean, I guess the other competitors, you know, they can do a lot of stuff to freaking just [expletive] happens. Yeah.

So, I guess you do have that component, too. Yeah. I'm just saying like how much even more mentally fatiguing it would be where, you know, and then how much you have to I mean, how much how much how much do guys get hurt just practicing? Yeah.

You know, a lot. And like that's just like completely their fault. Yeah. Ultimately, kind of.

Right. You know. Yeah. Because that's where, you know, you're pretty close because and that's also the bugger about it is it is kind of all in your control, but at the top level, there's so many pieces that need to come together for you to be a champion.

Yeah. It's so weird for me to think about somebody Mhm. I was so young when I did it and I was so bad that like you're like you're not really thinking about anything. You're just Oh, you're just surviving.

Yeah. You're surviving. Yeah. And I can't imagine doing it and really like in just, you know, when you get good enough at something, it's just stuff's in slow-mo.

Yeah. You know, there's people that don't play an instrument at all or anything or they can't fathom singing. Sure. And like I just think about like my singing voice or the way I play guitar and like how like just I just know like these really tiny little fine details that like I really just couldn't even explain to anybody and I can't imagine doing that with racing a dirt bike.

There's so many more like I want to like just be in their brain and like kind of feel what that would because it would be probably slow-mo at times. I guess the way they're making decisions. Yeah. And feeling things.

But you do something enough and train at something enough. That's just like how your mind and your body. Yeah. Well, it becomes extinctual, you know, because a lot of the things it becomes second nature.

You fall back to your habits, not what you want to, you know, cuz it's funny too cuz like, you know, I just started doing jiu-jitsu and little things like those and, you know, because I've always hated the attitude. I just haven't done it because of my back. You know, I've deal with a lot of back stuff or, you know, that's what kind of took me out. But you see where the whole attitude of people like, "Oh, if I get in a fight, I'm just going to figure it out.

I'm going to rise to the occasion." And it's like that doesn't happen. You rise to your habits. You rise to your habits.

You rise to your comfort zones. You go to those things. Um, you know, and that's what I love about the mental side of motocross like what you were just talking about is so much of is in your in your control and also so much of it's not and you're just dealing with the chips, you know, cuz like other example is like, you know, think of Formula 1. It's probably 80 90% the car and then the drivers because at that level they're all great drivers.

You know what I Like, don't get me wrong, they're all great, but you can take the worst driver on the grid and put him in the best car, he's going to do great. Interesting. You can take the best driver and put him in the worst car on the grid, he ain't going to do great. Okay.

Now, motocross, how what do you feel like that ratio is? Uh, I would say probably 80 90 the rider. Wow. Yeah, probably 70 80 I would say 80% the rider for sure.

So, if I would argue for more, would Formula One people would that piss them off or would they probably agree with that? Uh, I think the honest ones would agree. Uh, cuz look at Lewis Hamilton. Look at um a lot of these guys.

Look at Daniel Ricardo. Look at all these guys who anyone who knows the sports know they're some of the most talented guys out there. Or like Daniel Ricardo like should have been a champion. Should have been a world champion numerous times but made poor choices.

go this just crappy circumstances where he just felt turmoil on the team somewhere else or if he would have stuck with it. Who knows what he could have done or other drivers just going to different things and you see, you know, especially in a car sport that's such a different beast. Uh there's so many variables where you're so reliant on the team getting it right on the car setup at that level because it's percentages. You know what I mean?

And the guys at the bottom of the grid, it's not like they have crap cars, you know, they have multi-million, you know what I mean? It's so motocross is just so reliant on the physical human operating the machine. Absolutely. Absolutely.

Yeah. You know, at the top level, like the boys in the top 10, top five, I would argue the top five, it becomes much more dependent on bike. Um, it's more important of proper bike setup, proper mechanics, and setup where if you're 1% off, that's that is the difference between winning or third, you know, cuz all those boys are so good is the team doing everything they can to have the proper bike setup, you know. It was so funny.

Well, not funny, but it was just a different example, you know, from my little brother Ty. Um, what year was it? I think it was 23 or do you have anything to drink or anything? 23.

I'm solid. Um he, you know, they put a bunch of money into it. They really tried to do 250. Um but they're a privateeer and he thing was a dog compared to uh Factory Boys, you know, he was qualifying like not even good um on the races, not good starts at all.

He's a fantastic starter, you know, and those type of things, you know, he's smaller, he's starting to fill out, get strong. So, there's just nothing he could do. No. No.

And then they threw an audible, threw him on the 450 right away was almost got third. Uh, in the 450 class, just because in the 450 class, power is not so much of a factor. It's more of uh how's bike handling, uh, tuning, you know, launch control, that kind of stuff. for starts.

That's because the for the tracks that they're on, all the 450s are plenty powerful. Mhm. Essentially, it's not a It's not as much of a factor where in the 250, it's a power game. Yeah.

You're just going It's a power game. Okay. You know, cuz think of a guy like me compared to a guy who's a buck 50. It's like we're on the same bike.

I'm not going to do that good on the start. Yeah, even if I jump in front of this fool, you know, they don't have an exact science to it, but they say every pound, I think they say it's like five to seven, sorry, every 5 to seven pounds is about a horsepower is what has been explained to me, you know. So, if I'm 40 lbs heavier than this guy, you know, that's quite a bit. Yeah.

Um, you know, so in the 250, it's much more of a power game. You know, the boys who have the faster bikes and all this, they have a pretty good advantage. Like pretty good. where in the 450 it's more of controlling that beast.

A 450 is fast. Um you know, but for certain guys like to um myself have love power where it's like give me as fast bike as you can and I'll control it. Uh where some of the guys want it more tame so they don't have to. It's just different styles uh different kind of uh mindset too.

Okay. Um where it's just different, you know? Um cuz I like that power. Cuz if you put it this way, if I'm trying to pass you and I got a faster bike, I can be a little bit lazier and when I make a mistake, I can make up for it a little bit easier.

Where if I have a slower bike and I make a mistake, it's much more costly. Um you know, think about when you're ripping around on a pit bike or all this kind of stuff, you're ripping those turns because you ain't got the power to shoot it down the straight where if you've been on a faster bike, you kind of slow down the turn and go through it. Like what I was talking about earlier with guys like Bara and all those where when you utilize the momentum of the turn like you're on a slow piece of crap bike and then you utilize that power well. It's so effective, so effective and consistent, you know, and then when you make a mistake, you have a little bit more saving grace on the start.

You can utilize it a little bit better, you know. So there's so many ways to skin that cat. Uh but yeah, so more determined to the rider and what they like. Yeah.

So you guys moved from Nevada straight to Texas. No, we uh we went everywhere. Yeah. So like we literally like the song I've been everywhere, man.

Um so born in Nevada. Um and then kind of moving around there. We started riding, you know, and it's funny, too, at our ranch. Uh I don't know how it worked, but somehow my dad would like just use equipment, so he would just go crazy on the tracks.

So, like we literally had 50 tracks at our ranch and he just immediately like jumped in. Yeah, it was crazy. I really don't know how he got so good at it so quick, you know, cuz that's where I was like I kind of give him [expletive] because it's like, dude, like talk a little more, you know, like spill your beans, you know, cuz like we'll go deep on philosophy and technique when we're talking about our riders. Like it's really been beautiful to see how well we've worked together at the facility cuz a lot of times like facilities will have two coaches and they're kind of just two different coaches.

Like they don't really work together, you know? It's kind of like, oh, you'll have this guy and then you'll have this guy where us it's like literally one. Like it's been pretty neat, you know? And it's funny cuz we'll speak the same language but you'll hear it different than Mico will.

Oh, totally. Or that kind of stuff. And it's the same thing. Mhm.

But because I said in a little different way, you heard it and you're like, "Wow, why have you told me that?" And then total sense. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. So, like that'll happen. Uh, and that's just where the coach has to be a little bit more unique and how they deliver it.

You know, that's a whole skill of like how do I translate it to you to understand to get you to do it. you know, just because I said go do this, go do this, go do this, it can work, but sometimes wording a different way, explaining it a different way, it really resonates and it's able for the athlete to absorb it and go through. Yeah. So, so he built all these tracks back at home.

Yeah. Yeah. And then, you know, at the ranch, you know, a couple of the skiing guys, you know, they didn't want him to stop coaching, you know, skiing, but he uh they got the heck out of the industry and when we when they had us, when they had the kids, uh, you know, so our ranch was literally in the middle of nowhere, you know, we had, I think, two 300,000 acres and the closest neighbor was like 50 miles away and the closest town was 3 hours, you know. So, when we talk about middle of nowhere, we were I think we were by the road.

I forget the name of it, but it's kn it's known as the lonliest road in the world or in the US, whatever it is. And uh you know, so that's how it started. And of course, you know, we're homeschooled in that environment because you literally cannot go to school. Um and then when we started getting into motocross, started taking a little bit more serious, we I believe went to mid northern California in this little town called Sebast.

So we grew up with the Mosman's and a lot of other guys there. and then kind of SoCal and then when we really started taking it serious then we kind of all over the US all over going to the races and that kind of stuff and then Well, so who was lugging y'all around everywhere? H family. So who would be taking care of the ranch back at home?

Uh I believe they started just leasing it out. Really? Yeah. No kidding.

Yeah. Dang. Yeah. Y'all jumped all the way in.

Yeah. Whoa. Yeah. So, it was kind of fun because, you know, it's been neat, you know, ever since now I've like become a dad on just thinking about that stuff a little bit more, you know, like how do you encourage your kid to doesn't really matter what you do, but like if you're going to do it like damn it, do it right, you know, do your best, you know, no halfassing, you know, how do you instill that without uh, you know, you're two years old, damn it, get on the dirt bike, you know, go faster, you know what I mean, do this, you know, how do you not threat the ultimate dad, you know, and uh you know, so it's been kind of fun being in the other position of it cuz that's where I really got to give it to my parents on doing a fantastic job on setting the proper steps for us to own it and for us to put in the work and be there alongside the whole way without just like cramming it down our throats because especially like I don't know how they let us do motocross, especially after my brother passing cuz he passed doing moto.

He crashed at a race and it really wasn't a bad crash but you know that's um anyway that's how he passed and we took about a year off but to see them you know like allow us to go back into moto and to do all this you know cuz for me it was such a realization of I get an opportunity to do what I love am I going to do it and if I'm going to do it am I going to give it my Because before Jesse's passing, I was the kid who did not give a [expletive] I was the kid who had more fun playing in the mud at a race than and riding around my bicycle with my friends than racing, you know, cuz that like Loretta Lens is like the biggest amateur national in the world. And I didn't race it one year cuz I was like, I don't want to, you know what I mean? I qualified all this, you know, and I was doing good. I was like, I don't care, you know, I want to ride on my bicycle.

And of course that year I broke my uh collarbone at Loretta on a bicycle of course uh you know screwing off you know and it's funny because it was right before a Fox interview. So I mean like 30 minutes before an interview got my sling on just broke my collar bone got a baseball on my head you know right here cuz I face planted and uh yeah rocked it out. You know what I mean? So, it was kind of funny to see how much of my attitude and how much of my desire changed, not only after Jesse's passing, but when I started giving a crap about my sport.

Yeah. How old were you when that happened? Uh, I was 11. 11 when he passed away.

Cuz he was 14 and then I started giving a [expletive] when I was about 14. Yeah. 14, 15. Yeah.

So, all y'all were still so young, too. Yeah. And anyway, what I was why I was saying that's to tie it in because that's how we ended up in Texas was because before that we were kind of floating, you know, we were in California, we were in Florida, we were in uh down by Austin and all those kind of things. And then we were actually at our neighbor's place when Jesse passed away uh cuz their daughter used to ride and we had designed the tracks there and whatnot.

And then he passed away. Uh and then my dad and them just felt like this was the place to be and started looking for property just yeah why that yeah so this was like an awesome God story you know it in my I haven't had that many like supernatural encounters I really haven't but for them like this was totally like God like smacking them upside the head in my opinion of like this is where you're supposed to be cuz they're looking for all this land they find the land right next to our neighbors who have been lifelong friends like all right. Feels right. Started doing the paperwork, doing all this.

Right when he's about to sign it, I think he said he prayed or he asked God like, "Are you sure about this?" Cuz if you told us we were live in Texas, you know, a couple years before that, we probably would have laughed your face. Like we, you know what I mean? Like probably not.

And the acreage on the facility was 95. 6 and that was his racing number. So, you know what I mean? Like, you don't get much more of a smack in the face of like this is where you're supposed to be.

Dang. you know, and then he surrendered, signed the papers, and so sold the place back in Nope. Nope. Still has it.

Okay. Um and that kind of stuff. And then that's what it's got the facility afloat for the many years before. Yeah.

You know, cuz now that I've come on, I've tried to, you know, organize a little different, turn a little bit more into a business, have it more self- sustaining and all that kind of stuff. Cuz I love talking business. Like, man, I love getting into the nitty-gritty of it. And just, you know, kind of like we were talking about earlier, it's funny because it's been probably like six months to a year.

I've had this posture of what does it mean to do all things, you know, because like the more you have an attitude like I'm just a steward, you know, it's his money. It's not mine, you know? Because I love getting in debates on like tithing and all this, it's like, you know, if you pray to God and ask him like how much should I give you, it's going to be more than 10%. you know, it's gonna it's going to be like, buddy, it's all um you know, so it's like I love having that posture of I'm just a manager and Lord God, please just bless me with the ability to steward it well and go about that.

Okay. So, right when you all got here Yeah. He just started building tracks. Yeah.

No, not right away cuz uh I took about a year off, I think. Yeah, I think it was about a year. And uh you know because right before that we were both on the Rockstar Makita Suzuki team and that was like one of the premier amateur teams uh coming up. And uh would you say you both?

Mhm. You and your older brother. Yeah. Yeah.

Jesse was on that and he was a phenom. He was coming up. He was like one of the top guys uh coming up. Yeah.

And so you like you just took like at that point it was like okay we got to we got to like little bit. Yeah. It was a little bit of a reset and just kind of uh get your bearings, you know, it was all overwhelming. Um, you know, of course, you know, just uh kind of figuring out, you know, and just uh well, much less going to a race and stuff and like having to talk to everybody and I mean, that's just so much.

It was tough. But that's where, you know, especially in my family's role. Um because, you know, before he passed, you know, if you asked us if we were Christians, we probably would maybe would have said, "Yeah." You know, um I can't speak for my parents, but I can speak for me on, you know, I've always like think, you know, I would never say like, "Oh, there's not a god.

There's not a creator." You know, I've always believed in a god. Yeah. Yeah.

and just believed in like most people well obviously there's a creator I mean go look at nature like something made this you know what I mean like I just kind of always had that attitude but I always had a funny one too my dad loves sharing the story of uh he asked me um hey like do you want to be a Christian like do you want to surrender your life and I was like not really I want to have fun you know like and it was just hilarious because uh in my mind you know this little kid I always just thought of like uh and this is No disrespect against like nuns or those, but like I always just thought a nun like just sitting around praying all day. Yeah, sure. And I'm like, man, that doesn't look fun. You know what I mean?

He's like, I want to go play on my bike. I want to go screw off. And make no mistake, there's elements that Yeah. of uh doing that probably isn't fun becoming a Christian in certain ways, but your affections change.

The things you think are fun change. Well, and you actually start getting true joy. You start uh enjoying things in the way God created it to. And then you get so much more fulfilled, you know, like you actually get to have more in my opinion of uh you know cuz when I think of my walk before it where I was just trying to please myself, you know, trying to just hug up with the next There's no peace.

None. Yeah. No. And it's such a false it's such a how do I get more?

How do I get the next? What's next? I got this. Okay.

Now what? No doubt. So, but your parents already had that spiritual. But it's tough um with sports and lifestyle or I guess lifestyle sports.

I do notice that it's very difficult for uh a lot of families to stay focused. Maybe you want another lighter maybe. Do we have another one? I'm doing a terrible job keeping the circle going.

It's hard to smoke a cigar though uh when I make you talk. You know what I mean? I try. Especially me.

You're trying to get me to shut up. I try I try to I try to do a good job if somebody's smoking a cigar. If I see it going out, I'll usually Oh, I'll usually try to say something so I can give them a chance to puff on it a little bit. Uh just we'll just pause it real quick.

I'll get you another lighter. Oh, okay. Thanks. All right.

We were talk I think we were talking about building tracks, I think. Yeah. When y'all made it out to Texas. Yeah.

Whenever I let my cigar go. Um, so that was the real cool thing about where we kind of settled in Texas and at the facility, you know, and it's just it's in literally in paradise, you know, so there's so many factors to it. And for us in our industry, like the soil and the type of dirt is so important. Uh because you can be very limited on how you can be prepared for the whole circuit because a lot of the boys in Florida kind of don't realize that they're at a disadvantage because they only have sand or red clay.

They don't realize that or they have no choice. Uh I don't think they realize it or they don't care. Um not that they don't care. That's probably a wrong wordage, but they prioritize the other things more than that.

you know, that's just kind of like a uh whatever where we like to look at it as like that's your job, you know, like to be able to be prepared for any track on the circuit is huge. You know, at our place, like we're so blessed. Like we literally have, I think, seven or eight different textures of dirt. So, we can literally design any track.

Did you have to bring in that dirt from other people? No. Whoa. So, that's the cool part.

Like, that's where How does that happen? Such a blessing. I don't know how to say it other than God. Like I really don't, you know, like uh cuz for us like we literally have the dirt that's so similar to Loretta.

We can get Southwick, we can get red bud, we can get all these different places. The only How would you des What are those different dirts? What are they? So we got um like sand lom like deep sand.

Like there's a couple places in the bottom corner of ours where it's like sand and then more of a sand clay mixture and then you get some red clay. We even got white clay, like black clay and then uh like black sand. So like that deteriorates different than like white sand. Whoa.

So because it ruts up more. So it's kind of uh interesting how when you mix it or you cuz a lot of thing you got to do is keep it separate uh because if you rip too deep or if you turn it in, you start mixing it. So like in a couple of our sand spots where it used to be like bottomless is not anymore just because of rain dust um you know because that's where my dad is like super aal on like no dust and that kind of stuff because whenever you see dust that's the top soil like that's all the really good stuff um flown away. That's where you watch some tracks that just used to be legendary suck and they have to bring dirt in because all of it's gone.

And so in terms of a track, how do you prevent that from happening? uh moisture and then just controlling it whenever it rains. So having pockets like where it catches it and then you got to bring that dirt back up so it can kind of keep going and then and then just keeping it watered a lot. Yep.

Yep. And knowing like kind of when to huse it, when not to. So this summer has probably been a nightmare. It's been a blessing this summer.

Oh, this summer's been awesome cuz we've It's been pretty cool and a lot of rain. Lot of rain. Uh yeah, like the last summer was pretty rough because I mean dude, we had a couple of months where it was brutal and dry and it was so hot. Yeah.

Like last August it was pretty rough. It was crazy. Pretty rough. Um you know, but that's what's awesome for us is cuz like you know I mean we're done by 10 or 11 and it's not that bad.

You know, some of the days we would ride later because you want to get in that kind of sucky temperature, but I mean, dude, like it's pretty comfy until 10 or 11, then it starts getting like, okay, you know, do we want this heat or do we want to avoid it? So, this is the type of facility that people from all over the world are coming to. Yeah. Yeah.

So, do a shameless plug here. Um, yeah. So, like we kind of keep it small on purpose. Um, but now we're kind of like letting in, you know, a little bit more and, you know, because we're inviting the world, but we want people who give a crap and want to take it serious and get better in all aspects of life and just kind of uh keep a good environment, you know, because one of the things we prioritize highly is that, you know, a good environment, no BS, no drama.

I mean, it's exclusive kind of. Yeah. You know, but it's we care more about you as a person and your growth because a lot of the things we'll instill in and train and work on are going to kind of bring you success in anything you do. You know, it's more mindset, it's more posture, it's more mental training, it's more that kind of aspect, technological and kind of going into it as that as well.

Um just because realistically um you're here for a season, you know, you know, motocross is a young sport. Okay. You know, like you're not So is it a lot like younger kids going there to train or some like established pros or both? Yeah.

Yeah. All over. Yeah. It's not an age thing in my opinion.

It's a more of a mindset and work ethic. Okay. So, is this something that somebody people can inquire about? Oh, yeah.

Okay. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

You know what I mean? And it's one of those things, too, like if you're hearing this and you got a peak interest. Um, and even the guys who just live around here, you know, I'm starting a physical program, like small group training, uh, just to, you know, because I don't really care so much about like getting a couple pounds off you, making you look better, and all those kind of things. I want to instill habits that will make you fit and resilient for the rest of your life.

Like, don't smoke cigarettes. Ah, just cigars. Just cigars. Oh, that one almost went out.

I know. I saved it. Get her going. Get her going.

I have the hardest time. Why do cigars go out when they get like a little bit shorter? Why does that always happen to me? Am I actually smoking it less?

It's less length. You need You need the length. Please, please don't look at me. You say that.

Um, you know, but that's what I love so much, you know, about, you know, just a lot of the things that my dad's instilled and taught and showed is like, man, the way you do some things is the way you should do all things. And you know, you know, this is why I care so much about health as well, because like we were talking about earlier is, you know, what you put in is what you get out. Hey, look. I listened to a thing the other day um about how people's gut reaction to you um and their opinion about you can be heavily swayed by how much you believe about yourself.

So for instance, somebody who wants to like be a leader. Yeah. Maybe wants to use is the wrong word, but like a business owner that's like, I need to lead people. Uh I need to lead by example.

I need to portray confidence. Um if you have areas of your life that are hidden that don't portray like if your life's a mess and you're super unorganized and you have all these like overarching things that are like making you insecure and feel like you don't have things going on. Um you're not like taking care of your body. Uh you're not confident in like some things that you're doing.

You know, you have like kind of this hidden part about yourself. when you talk to other people like they're going to have a gut feeling about that with you. So like when you're trying to lead somebody and portray confidence if you have no confidence in those other areas of your life you're I mean it's ridic you're going to be able to like maybe muster up some attributes that a confident person might have but they overwhelmingly won't be like believable. So, I've heard guys talk about uh like Peterson's talked about it, the Jordan Peterson guy, about like he does his deal where he says like make your bed, like start by making your bed.

Man, you took the words right out of my mouth. Yeah. So, like get some things in order. Uh and I just I just found that to be uh very interesting.

And it was it was um it was also convicting in a way for me to, you know, where it's like because you can't hide it. Even if people might not know, it's like that's how they're not consciously assessing that about you. They subconsciously know something about you. Absolutely.

And you can't hide it. No. And that's and that's why I love the thing of do all things is onto the Lord because you can't fake it, you know, like for a little bit you can, but the truth always comes out and you see Yeah. That's why it doesn't make sense if somebody's out of control, has no peace, they're rude to people, they're angry, and then the next time you see them, they're like, "Let's pray.

I just want to thank my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ." And it's like, well, yeah. There's no fruit in your life. Like no part of you alludes to any 100%.

Right. Yeah. And that's why I love that verse of like, you know, tell you tell a person by its fruit. You know, you tell a tree by its fruit.

Yeah. Where you see, and not in a fake way, you know, because you see where it's like, oh, I'm trying to be a pear and it's like, bro, you're an apple. Yeah. You know what I mean?

It's uh you can do it for a little bit. You know, you can disguise yourself. You can color your pear red or whatever you want to try and fake it. Yeah.

But in the heat of the moment, there's the people's true colors really come out. You see like when you get money involved Oh yeah. Um and you get stress, you get stress and you get embarrassment involved and ego, you start to really see who people are and who they care about, how selfish they are, how angry they are, how bitter they are, how resentful they are. Yeah.

You know, you see it really quick. You don't see it when it's like whatever when you're just at church or when you're walking out the door at Walmart and you like toss somebody some money or something. And anyone can put a mask on for a little bit. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's like when you get in the nitty-gritty.

Absolutely. So, it's become more important to me as I've gotten a little bit older. Um to see or at least I want to associate with people that have relatively deep roots. And by roots, I mean maybe they maybe they're still close with their family or parts of their family.

They have a lot of like established friendships that have lasted for a long time. Okay. Um because I think it I don't I have a hard time trusting somebody that hasn't had long-term relationships. I don't mean just romantic relationships.

I mean like family, friends, anything like that. If I can observe that they just have no one around them that they've been with for a long time. That to me is a little bit of a like the sirens go off that like they probably don't handle conflict well. They might they're probably not very forgiving.

Yeah. They probably have they're probably maybe really angry, bitter, you know what I mean? Very much so. And it's like a flag for me.

I'm like, "Oh." Well, the thing I love that you're touching on is more of the attitude and the posture of how you handle conflict. It's a big deal because conflict is an opportunity to grow in oneness. It's not a negative.

You know, conflict is a beautiful thing when handled correctly because you see, you know, one of uh my favorite verses because it hit me in a very beautiful time when my back was really rough and I didn't want to give up motocross. I was just starting to come on strong and you know what I mean was Romans 5:3. It's like suffering produces endurance and endurance produces hope that it may produce character. I might be getting it a little bit wrong so don't tell me.

Go look it up for yourself. Uh but it's that it may produce hope because you see with suffering it's either poor me or it's an opportunity to get stronger. You know what I mean? And right now we are dealing with an overflowing amount of poor me and let me wallow in my pity and my sorrows instead of give that burden to the only person that can actually take it and move forward because I mean this with love.

I don't give a crap what you're going through. It's still there's still good going on in your life. And if you have the attitude everything's going bad, like brother, open your horizon a little bit. Especially us here, like we are so blessed.

So blessed. Like on our worst day is still somebody's um great day. Yeah. And the harsh reality of it is like even people Yeah.

There's usually like probably 99. 9% of the time there's always somebody that has it worse than you. Yeah. And not in a negative comparison way.

What I what I'm trying to say is humble yourself because one of whenever I'm going through the ringer I like reading Job uh through it. Do you know the story of Job? Oh yeah. Uh you know and I love that because he goes through all these things and stays honorable and then right when he questions like God like where are you?

And those kind of things God doesn't just come in and be like oh it's okay. I know you've been going through hard things. Where were you when I created this? Where were you when I deal with this?

My translation is who the hell do you think you are? Yeah. You know, I'm oftentimes like delicate when I cuz because I can feel bad for people and I think there's a place for grieving and being sad for sure. And it's not about meeting them in it because like that's exactly what Jesus did.

One of the stories in scripture that just blows my mind and I still don't get it why he did it. What I do is I forgot who it was, but Jesus and it was a friend that died and they came for him. He didn't get there in time. He died.

He's been dead for two or three days. He gets there and he mourns with the family knowing he's going to bring him back. That's wild to me because that is crazy. I've never thought about that.

He didn't like, hey, don't mourn. Don't snap out of it. Quit being down on yourself. Positive attitude.

Yeah. Especially knowing that it was going to be okay. Yes. Like truly being met them where they were, mourned with them, knowing he was going to raise them up.

That is so Well, and the way human the way humans work, we'd probably be pissed that he did, right? We would probably turn around and be like, "Why didn't you why did you let me be sad if you knew you were just going to fix it all?" Oh, okay. You know what I mean?

I was I was thinking more of like, uh, where were you? Like, why weren't you here in time to save him? You know, that would have been my attitude. Oh, sure.

Well, there could be that, too. Yeah. Yeah. We'll probably find any reason.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

It's like, "Hey, God, why don't you do it my way?" Yeah. But yet, it's like he's uh I've never thought of that before. That's a That's a fun That's an That's very interesting.

Yeah. Because, you know, I'm very guilty of this because I am a very much of a person of like [expletive] or get off the pot. Yeah. And that's a good thing, but it also like every good thing still has a con.

You know what I mean? And are you okay with that? Yeah. just when it's appropriate, you know, there's times for it.

And I think that's just maturity, growing, and just learning where you're still a dick, you know, sometimes and just uh you know, if we could just have a shred of grace, you know, because that's why I love the thing like truth with love. Yeah. I would say my most difficult thing is when to um it's like you empathize and like I actually do a pretty good job of being like empathetic towards people's situations and then and then when do you I guess do the tough love thing with somebody is like that's what I have the hardest Yeah. the hardest time with.

Yeah. And I think that's where we got to do a better job of praying and um surrendering with his control cuz what verse is it where it's um it's about persecution and it's about um when you are put in a position of like you know severe consequences like don't worry about what you're going to say because he's going to bless you with the words to say. So basically don't be worried about uh your trial that's coming up because he's going to bless you with the words to say. M so in those moments with your conflicts like we were just talking about we were dealing with you know other conflicts of allow him to speak through you and then you see where that gets rid of the stress the anxiousness of like how the hell do I talk to Jared about this uh situation that I know is going to be a sensitive one and you see when you do it with grace truth with love because you can't do one without the other because you see if you do just truth where it's abusive and if you do just love it's manipulative and you know that's where I guarantee you're going to jack it up is uh you know I'm speaking myself and like man you know think of all the things like where you've been screwed over and all those things where you kind of hold on to grudges and all those things where it only hurts Yeah, you know, cuz it took me so long to forgive um the trainer that I was working with because when I hurt my back, it wasn't from motocross.

Like I'm one of the only athletes that really doesn't have much injuries racing at all. Like almost none. And to say that as like a professional athlete is insane. Well, especially that especially our sport.

Like it's no one can. You know what I mean? I jumped right into three back surgeries. You know what I mean?

So, and I got hurt in the gym, you know? Not saying that motocross is easy on the back, you know, I'm sure that had a factor with it, but we kind of know what set it off. And like the bitterness I had for years, you know, I had a rough six years, seven years of just in agony and pain every day, like not being able to relax because of pain is a whole different struggle than anything else in my opinion because it's constant, you know? It's just like that like Paul talks about like that thorn in his side and it's just that surrender it where like God you're enough and when I was able to get to that stage of it not that it was his grace that I think I was able to realize that and then move on and forgive him without him owning it, you know, because I never got an apology, you know, I never got like a we shouldn't have done that.

You know, and in my mind, I'm like, oh, if he would have just said that, like I would be great. And you see where that bitterness and that unforgiveness is like you like me drinking poison expecting you to die. It's like, no, brother, it's only going to screw you, you know? And forgiving you is not setting you off the hook.

It's allowing myself to not be a bitter prick about it. No doubt. You know, and you see how important that is and I mean like truly forgiving them, you know what I mean? Like say, you know, you loan me, you know, a big chunk of change and I'll say I pay it back and I don't and then you forgive me.

Doesn't mean you're going to loan me another 10K. You know what I mean? Because I would I would argue to say that's pretty stupid. Um it's lacking discernment.

Absolutely. Yeah. you know, but it's also like you're going to be able to move on and not get pissed off every time you see me. You know, it's going to allow you to move on from that situation because, you know, there's a lot of people in my life right now that are just dealing with some a lot of struggles and turmoil.

And you see where it's to meet them in it and help them see the light. Cuz when you're in the pit, it's so easy to stay in that darkness. You know, like we were talking about addiction. We were talking about all these things off camera and you see where you're searching for something to fill that hole.

like every, you know, I've been blessed not to, you know, be addicted to, you know, any rough things like, you know, any drugs or alcohol or anything like that. And you see where the guys that are just um, you know, and I'm doing other categories, but you I think the main thing is that you're trying to fill a hole that only God can. You're searching for that next high and then that wasn't enough. Okay, I got to get a higher one.

I got to go to the next. I got to go to the next. I got to go to the next. And you see where God is the only thing that can truly bring peace through that passes understanding, you know, cuz when earthly terms that makes no sense.

None, you know. Yeah. You know, that's where just it still, you know, takes my little brain for a twist. It's actually funny when people say like, well, it just makes so much sense.

I mean, come on. I'm like, that don't make a lick of sense. I know. Yeah, that's right.

That's the whole point. Yeah. Yeah. And you know, one of the things I love about that is like if you understood your God completely, he ain't much of a god.

That's great. You know what I mean? It's like that's pretty good. You know, when I heard that for the first time, I was like, I'm going to keep that because there's so many things, especially with my mindset, like I got to understand how it works.

You know, so many things like I got to understand how it works. I got to dive deeper. I got to question it, you know, to a fault. You know, I do that way too much.

Um, but I like it because, you know, it hurt me a lot in my progression through my career because I was very uh maybe disobedient is a good word because I wouldn't just do exactly what I was told. I would kind of fight it. You know what I mean? Like what do you mean squeeze like that?

Like why, you know, instead of like just do it, you know? Because there comes a time and a place where it's uh kind of, you know, just do as you're told and go. But I was the type of athlete once I understood it, man, I would do it all the way through. All the way through.

Um, once I believed in it, you just got to get the buy in. Yeah. Once I understood it and all that kind of stuff. Um, but your progression is going to be slower, too, because you're not as uh malleable.

You're not Well, yeah. There's probably going to be some things that you're going to find out they were telling you the truth and like you should have done it. Yep. And I just kept fighting it.

Yeah. And then you end up just doing the thing anyways when it would have just been a lot easier. Much quicker. Yeah.

That sounds like most of my life. Yeah. Yeah. So many things.

You know what I mean? For sure. It's insane. You know, cuz but that's also where it's great too because when you have that, you're not easily moved, you know?

That's where when you hear the script the scripture of like stand firm so you're not easily blown around because it's like uh I forgot the correct word is that in the scripture but the way I understood it was when those winds come when those troubles come and all this stand firm in your faith in God that will get you through it so you're not easily moved around. Hell yeah. You know cuz you see where you get all these little tips and tricks where it's like oh try this. Oh do this.

This will help you out of it. do this. And you know, I love this quote. I think it was by Mike Tyson.

Uh it was like, you know, not everyone who uh shows love to you is your friend. Not everyone who uh fights you is your enemy or something like that. I think I butchered it. Uh, but it was something like that of, you know, think of some of the most fake and manipulative people in your life was the wolf in sheep clothing where that person telling you the thing that you didn't want to hear was some of the most love you've ever gotten of, you know, that's what I understand by tough love.

Yeah. And vice versa. Sometimes just people use truth like a freaking battering ram. Absolutely.

With zero love. I was guilty of that. It's how I used to be. I'm no longer like that, you know, now I'm perfect.

I bet. Yeah, you seem like it. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, you got all figured out.

Yeah, I got it all figured out. We all What do you mean? Yeah, dude. Well, uh, it's been cool, man.

It's not I could probably like talk to you all freaking day. I know. Thanks, man. I appreciate that.

It's really It's really fun. Yeah. No, no, no. It's great.

It's great to hear. I love your energy and your enthusiasm and like just your excitement for life. Thanks. And then everything that you do.

Yeah. Uh yeah. What were you saying about like you were doing some workout program thing? Yeah.

Yeah. So, one of the things I'm uh doing right now and kind of growing into the fitness side of it is uh you know I've just seen a lot of holes in our community of um of this you know being personable being you know face to face. You know there's so much technology now where you get this false sense of uh community um togetherness. You know brother lay le laying his burnins on another uh where it's like, man, we need that.

You know, we need community. We need people we can um lean on, you know what I mean? And to earn it, you know what I mean? Because like you have certain people in your life, their words carrier carry more than others, you know?

And that's been one of my passions here lately um is building a community and welcoming people in to what does it mean to do all things on the you know because for me right now I look at the fitness and getting healthy and all this kind of stuff so many things flow from that because you have the energy to do it you're able to break pick up your grandkid you're able to do these things you know so one of the things I'm starting right now uh here soon after my elk hunt is uh fitness groups, small fitness groups and just kind of going in that especially uh with the gym community. We're doing a men's group at our facility. we were doing the dove hunt on opening day and that kind of stuff you know and if any of these things sound um antagonizing to you know the people you know the person listening it's uh man reach out you know I got a landing page or Instagram you know his 956 or my personal Jake Masterpool is uh reach out you know because that's the one thing I'm challenging a lot of brothers on right now is uh a lot of people are struggling with loneliness right now and depression on feeling like there's no one else out there. And it's like, throw a rock.

There's someone struggling with something that you don't know nothing about. And I want to build a community of men leaning on each other, growing, and uh Yeah. So, you working out in it or no? Or is it just a Yep.

Yep. Working out? Yeah. Yeah.

Design the programs for you and that kind of stuff. What you're struggling with, you know, like how's your knee? How's your ankle? You know what I mean?

And that kind of stuff. So, it's real personal. design it for you. Um, you know, just cuz it's like, yeah, I think of you guys.

It's like, you know, you guys don't need to be working on the same things, but we grow in oneness and we grow together, you know. Yeah, cuz I'd be super interested in doing it. What was what was your what was your back uh like what actually was the um So, I had four or five bulging discs uh in my L3, four, five, and S1. Okay.

Um and then Yeah, I just I put off I tried everything under the sun before surgery. Yeah. you know, I really am so anti uh the medical system, you know, and but thank goodness that we're blessed with it as well, you know. Yeah.

Yeah. Interesting. Because I'd be curious what stuff you do you have to do stuff actively now to like stay on top of it. Oh, yeah.

Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Because I'd be curious because I got I got some stuff going on.

So, I'd be curious what uh Yeah. what you do. Yeah. Cuz that's where, you know, I mean it like I've been so blessed to learn from some of the best in our industry.

You know, I hold guys like Peter Park and those guys to such a high standard because just their passion for it and their so eagerness to share and help people like me, you know what I mean? Because uh he had zero financial incentives to help me, you know what I mean? I'm just this punk kid giving him what I can and you know, begging to get in. And uh you know, for guys like that to do with open arms, um I'm doing that now.

Yeah. you know, and uh I love it. You know, I didn't realize how much joy I was going to get out of helping people cuz my whole career has been very selfish. You know, being a professional athlete, you have to be selfish.

You have to uh stay focused on self a little bit more, you know what I mean? And all those kind of things. And now I've been more in a servant role of coaching on the track, helping athletes there. And he was in my screw-ups to kind of help them learn through it so I don't go through it as well.

Yeah, man. And you know now on the fitness side as well just to it's been so encouraging to see that the knowledge I have is I'm able to utilize it and get results quick, you know, because it's different knowing you can and then it's different building up the evidence of like I've done it, you know. So feels good. Yeah, it really does.

It really does. So, it's um and I didn't think I was going to enjoy it as much as I did, you know, cuz it started with these are the skills I have and uh you know, I'm just going to do it. And it's turned into, you know, passion and man, you know, I love this, you know, cuz I'm I kind of am really good with my hands. Like I go into any field, you know what I mean?

And I with my mindset, I feel like I would have success. Maybe I'm ignorant, but uh I like that attitude of I'll figure it out. And you know, that's what we've been doing here. Been growing community.

The men we've been working out with have been awesome. And just Iron, Sharp, and Iron. Are they're not all like MX dudes, are they? No, dude.

Like, some of the church groups we've been doing are just random dudes, you know? Like, and I didn't realize it was going to hit me so hard, one of the guys coming right now, and he's a bigger fella. He's probably 300 pounds. And just to see him change his mindset coming for the right reasons and all this, like, dude, he came up to church and it made me emotional.

He's like, "Dude, I was able to stand up the whole time and not be in pain." Like, I didn't think I was I didn't think it was going to hit me. I was like, I got emotional. You know what I mean?

You should. That's great. And uh just, you know, Yeah. It was rad, you know.

So, uh that is the definition of rad, right? Totally. You know, so it's been a blessing. Um and now I'm want to open it up to more, you know.

I want to build our community. I want to give an avenue for people to go to and yeah, looking forward to it. Looking forward where God is going to direct me, you know what I mean? And the facility and Yeah.

Yeah. Me, too. I think uh I probably got a new friend, so I'm looking forward to it. Nice.

Yeah. Nice. You're a G, man. You're a cool cat, man.

Thanks, man. I appreciate it. Yeah. like, you know, cuz that's what I truly do love what you're doing here, you know, cuz a couple of the podcasts I've been listening to with, you know, with Cody Jinx and Parker and all these guys where you've been just so vulnerable and I like the way you ask questions, too.

Uh because there's a couple of ones that you've asked me that I never even thought of. Oh, interesting. And just to, you know, I like challenging thoughts and ideas, you know, because the day, you know, it all is a bad day. It's a bad day.

And yeah, you're doing good, man. Well, thanks, bro. Yeah, I appreciate that. Well, thanks for taking the time.

Uh Jake Masterpool, do you have a sign off? Do you have your motivational sign off? Uh, no. Do everything is on to the Lord.

There you go. Yeah. See, there you go. Bam.

Yeah. See y'all. Addios.