Carson Jeffrey

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verbal life [Music] in the canyon [Music] [Music] i think if you make music or write music like obviously when you start mixing and recording and all that yeah you end up becoming so like hyper focused on it and you listen to it at a level that oh yeah 90 of people never listen to music yep so it becomes like an actor it's

an activity yeah i don't passively like listen to music i'm listening to it's got my like soul attention yeah i don't know i just since you know playing it's playing music now for living for the past three years or whatever and uh listening to all the music every night like when you're opening for somebody and then you think when you're like before

you get into this you're like man i'm gonna go listen to the uh the headliner tonight you know afterwards after like the first month of doing that you're like all right listen i'm going to sit in the van yeah because they ain't listening to you have the lofty idea that they're gonna be like stand inside they don't which sometimes they do great

job buddy no and uh it's just a i don't know it's a task to listen to music now and i hate to say that i hope consumers don't feel the same way i do think it's just different when you make it i think so yeah you just get wore out on it you do it's uh i don't know it's a weird thing

really because that's kind of i don't know i almost get stuck where i don't want to write either like pick it up sure you know it's just tired of it yeah you're tired of it here's a question i don't know if uh i'm the only one because i feel it makes me feel a little bit like a narcissist but for me the

reason i really started playing music and writing songs i focused on writing things that like i wanted to hear right uh which is a little bit odd because i guess that's ultimately pretty arrogant right like you think you're you like have pretty good stuff right that's the only reason you write it right and then you listen to it and then i don't

if i want to hear some music i just write it right is that weird do you do that i don't know i don't really think about it like that but i mean that's a pretty interesting take on it i don't think it's weird i mean everybody's got their own way of why they want to ride i couldn't tell you why i want

to write or in the beginning you know i don't know why i wanted to now well now you just do it for the money well hey i'm not going to tell you that i'm not but you know i promise you i'd be doing something else if i wasn't making money at this i promise you yeah something else yeah absolutely i mean you

know people will tell you all day long that oh yeah it's man it's all about the song right and it's all about that like yeah it is about having that craftsmanship and that quality but i'll tell you what if i wasn't making money at this i wouldn't be driving down the highway for 15 hours from colorado home in the middle of the

night you know and it ain't worth it for that no it's definitely not you have to have some but at the same time because i agree with you like there has to be some sort of financial viability for it yeah if i wasn't doing it for a living i would still write some songs oh yeah play my guitar i would too and

that's the way it started out this was i think every i don't know everybody but staying sure how it started out for me i was just writing songs for fun and i'd play them in the on my front porch and my house in college and nobody was listening but i was still writing the songs and uh you know had a whole booklet

full of them and then i don't know friends just convinced me to make an album and then it become a job so your friends your friends were kind of your sounding board yeah and honestly my parents too uh you know they really pushed me in the beginning to do it um i don't know why i don't know i guess they obviously their

parents want to see you succeed but yeah they were like you really need to do something about this and yeah i did were they into music um do they play or no they don't play anything at all no music background at all um i've always played music and they've always been supportive of that but yeah i don't know why they wanted me

to do that i don't know never asked them interesting yeah you know a lot of parents wouldn't really support you going down the highway being a musician but mine did yeah so but they don't play any instruments no they don't play anything um my mom's brother my uncle he taught me to play the drums whenever i was real little and uh so

i've always played the drums but or i quit playing drums at probably junior high started playing guitar singing in high school but you got that rhythm bug i guess something like that seems like there's a lot of good songwriters that all came from like the drumming world right yeah sometimes i play on chase's drum kit the shows i think that's sound check

i don't quite have it like i used to but i don't have it at all i've never had it really i just can't do it i mean i can play like one simple little straight beat but yeah it's funny you think that it'd be pretty i mean i would think i used to think that oh man it's not that hard to play

the drums but then like you get some of my other band on the drums like guitar player or like ryan he gets over there and it's not that great [Laughter] yeah looking for something inspirational no yeah no like and i don't know i guess at least i had some kind of background on the drums you'd think people will be able to keep

the beat or something but it's i guess it's hard i don't know yeah i it seems like if you sat behind it at all and just kind of poked around on it you could maybe keep like one little hi-hat right snare thing but some people just don't have it i guess not i don't know i think it helps the songwriting for sure

to know what the drums are doing in your head while you're writing it because you kind of self-produce it yeah i definitely do that a lot yeah uh-huh so you have the whole thing kind of mapped out pretty much yeah of course it changes so much when you get in there but at least i have a lot of i have a lot

of structure in my head when we go to the studio i think it's very beneficial your first album yeah no structure what do you mean i didn't i had no clue what i was doing really yeah i was pretty green i had a buddy uh mason mark i don't know if you've heard of him at all he's from is that how i

say it i always said merrick uh i say mark i don't know okay is it the same i think it's the same guy that's the same guy okay he's got that song drifter so yeah that's his biggest one i don't think i've ever met him but yeah he's a great dude man and uh he kind of i guess really honestly he was

kind of a big uh start for me also he lives 15 minutes down the road from me not even 15 minutes i could be his house probably 10 minutes and uh he started when i started playing in college just picking around he started asking me to come out and play with him at some acoustic gigs just to help him out you know

song swap and uh you know six months of that playing with him and just having fun at it i guess that's kind of what maybe gave me the what year was that uh it's probably starting in 2018 because i really i did my first album in 2019 so right but yeah that's crazy it also helped that i was a huge uh music

fan myself like in college and everything i mean i'd be at a show if i wasn't in a rodeo then i was at a you know a concert literally every single weekend yeah if there wasn't a rodeo i was at harry's or going to new braunfels or somewhere and going and watching the band so were you still you were still in school

yeah i uh i released my first album uh the fall my senior year of college but i graduated in december and i released it in september i think so i had that so not even that close yeah i had a couple months of being in the bars with it you know not a lot of time but i feel like that helped you

know you see my face in there in the bar in college station totally that's where i was you know home base right there it helps a lot having uh some college age kids yeah that can kind of band around you a little bit yeah i think it helped but yeah and so how long did you play before that uh when did you

really start first start playing guitar a junior huh really yeah i picked up the guitar in junior high i always had guitars before that but i didn't know how to play them literally like three or four just laying around the room from my uncle but uh never knew how to play him and junior how i started playing them and yeah seeing i

didn't sing till high school i didn't get a word out until then really how'd you start doing that just ah just one day i started singing yeah sang a song from my parents one day and live in the kitchen oh really yeah was it like any good it was a randy rogers lost and found who's randy rodgers yeah right never heard that

guy nah lost and found that's a good song it's also brooks and dunn song not the same song the brooks and dunn has a good lost event i don't think i've heard that one maybe i'm sure i have boston found in a border town oh yeah okay check the wait what's the rainy rock check the lost check the lost and found yeah

that was the first one for me to sing out loud that's a jam dude yeah was that so it you kind of you definitely and major influences were out of like the texas country yeah from our early age uh crosstalk and ragweed i had all of their cds that they had made up to that whenever i was like 10 years old my

uncle gave me all their cds that they had made up to that and i uh i listen to those things literally every single day every day on the way to town i'd be in the back seat and i'd have my headphones on with my cd player and i'd listen to them things all day every day yeah it was it was kind of

always texas country or whatever you want to call it from the beginning uh that and zz top and some other stuff yeah you always throw like in the sharp dress man in your set uh yeah we do the intro to it because it goes into this tall boy song that i have because we talk about zz top in it so we kind

of yeah we changed it up recently we just do like the intro to the sharp dress man while i'm talking and then it goes straight into tall boy yeah zizi was a pretty big influence on me too really i mean i think i had a couple of their cds but like whenever the age of streaming kind of came or pandora like that

was the they had this thing called slacker radio it was like right before pandora it was the same concept slack just a different app yeah slacker really i've never even heard it i had it and man i probably was on that thing for like two years uh just on my i think i it was probably on my channel it's called slacker what

slacker radio i don't even know if it's a thing anymore might not even be an app we're about to find out it's just literally never even it's literally just like pandora but i think it was before pandora you have to pay for it i don't think i did of course you didn't right no you could just create stations that's right uh so

i would have like 50 stations created because you only got six skips you know first station you just saw i have like 50 stations man and i just keep on skipping i don't think they have any live one i don't even think it's a thing it's probably not no it's old i mean shoot i was probably man 12 13 years old boy

that was like my space time yeah probably i remember uh kids older than me yeah they would be on myspace but it's probably around the same time you weren't cool enough yet man i didn't even get an instagram or a facebook until like i don't know freshman in high school or something yeah it just uh i don't know i didn't even didn't

it crazy to think like how fast all that stuff took over oh yeah it's crazy i mean even like the streaming has been pretty fast really if you think about it dude we hit it like at the perfect time yeah seriously uh i actually think it's it just happened so fast man i think it's harder to uh get just like organic exposure

really quickly like on spotify now that's harder now yeah even than just yeah four years ago well i think there's just uh i don't know there's just a lot more people it seems like now trying to do it trying to do it and i don't know maybe i just wasn't paying attention as much back then or not now more than i'm more

involved maybe it just looks like there's more people but it feels like there's more people um i would agree more content yeah definitely more content it's a double-edged sword because it makes uh people like you and i gives us the ability to just make music and put it out to like a lot of people yeah uh but then also like every person

that thinks they can play the guitar and write a song right able to do the same thing yeah so it like and they can do it pretty good actually yeah some of them do it really bad too though yeah so it saturates the market so like when you're first starting out like if you are really good it's kind of hard to like

yeah get through all that dive through the waters yeah it's a double-edged sword yeah but i love streaming i ain't gonna lie dude it's changed my life yeah i wouldn't i wouldn't be here sitting right here talking to you if it wasn't for spotify yeah apple music and all that yeah a lot of people like to complain about it but i don't

think they really understand it i have zero complaints about i was talking to uh do you know coe's new drummer jared easterling have you met him yet i've not met him but i know who he is yeah we were talking about because he came from the rock world christian rock right yeah so he still he helped develop that band he was with

so they still get some royalties and stuff like that but we were talking about like a lot of these guys that maybe signed record deals or signed with managers you know before streaming really took off so like after 2010 2014 13 whatever yeah i think i think this is speculation but i think a lot of those record deals probably took a big

chunk of their streaming royalties because the deal was like oh there ain't no money in streaming right yeah and so if they just give you enough right you're like oh this is pretty good yeah there's no money in it right but then you know you got like a guy like you that comes along where it's when you get the whole chunk of

it oh you get you're like yeah this is actually pretty meaningful yeah right yeah i ain't complaining about my chick no but they finally figured out the infrastructure to like be able to actually collect the money all right you know you don't have like limewear anymore you don't have napster right you got to pay for it they found a way to like

yeah have you ever looked through your uh itemized thing like i don't know who your distributor is i use distrokid i use uh well my first stuff is on cd baby but the rest of it's been on tune core yeah why'd you switch to tunecore um i got in a bond actually uh during covet when we were trying to release i think

it was taking away this pain a single and uh man it wasn't working like i think because like their offices or whatever we're closed down with covert whoa and uh my early manager at the time alex torres he knew people over there you were with alex yeah man uh we worked together for yeah probably i don't know close to six months or

something there in the very beginning and we just went ways nothing wasn't nothing bad it was just at the time i felt like you know a young artist i think you can do a lot of things on your own to start out with sure and uh yeah but anyways he knew some guys over there at uh at tunecore and he was like

hey we're in a bind uh the release is not pushing through and we had already announced the release date because you know you upload it everything's great oh yeah we're releasing now well then it wasn't going to and they were and so he called over the tune core and we kind of pushed some stuff through and we got a rush order and

we got it out really yeah oh that's weird yeah it was a weird deal i was very scared to death no kidding because like yeah i never want to do that again but yeah i just saw like the covet stuff you know when the whole world was shut down it was like right when it all started happening you know yeah and uh

had to kind of do some maneuvering yeah for sure so that was like right when you started out i was right before it i was uh yeah six months before it or so before the whole world shut down yeah when i released it yeah see so it's like you did well through the covet day i did man i mean we exploded through

the cove but i mean not exploded but that was our growth period you know i think it helped me covet did why do you think that i didn't have to get out there and play shows and look bad you know as i had no clue what i was doing really i mean at all it took a huge learning curve for me i

was so green what do you think are the main things that you like have gotten better at in terms of your performance man there's just so much that goes into it just lit the little things even not necessarily just the performance i mean obviously the performance but building the band building the structure of your set and even just your equipment you know

i mean we started out with nothing like we could throw our amps in the drum kit in the truck and that was all we had and now you know we need to upgrade because we're full yeah sure and uh yeah i think there's just so much that i didn't have a clue how to do and i think i might have i might

have quit or i mean i don't know if i'd have quit but i'd have been i might have burned out to where i was completely broke you know and um i think it saved me a lot of money honestly to kind of get that you know i was getting the royalty check not playing but uh sure you know kind of save up

and learn what i was doing before i went and did it because i rushed into it i mean i just went cored this out and put it out didn't have a clue what i was doing and then all of a sudden hey you want to play over here like yeah gotta find a band you know which is the complete wrong way to

go about it is that not one of i used to get like super nervous right like bad before the show yeah and i still do but it's more a uh it's not before it was like out of control nervousness because i didn't know what was gonna happen right so it's just like oh my gosh this is a disaster now it's like i'm

excited right it's more of those types of nerves did you have a lot of that i think in the beginning uh i did have a little bit of nervousness i can remember the first real big show that we played we played opened up for roger krieger at southern's in college station it's a bar there in the mall and uh we were all

backstage and like we that place shut down i think so yeah we were all backstage and uh we were barely a band you know we'd been practicing for a few weeks or something you know a month top something like that i just remember my bass player at the time he all looked at us he's like y'all just stay calm man like this

is gonna be good and i was so freaking nervous it was a packed house like sure huge crowd in this place and we get up there you know supposed to play for an hour i think we probably play 50 minutes or something because that's i didn't have a clue you know but tried to time it and practiced oh yeah i think we're

good and uh yeah that was i can remember like those first few shows like that being like man are we gonna be able to put this together like play a full show it's the worst feeling in the world yeah and now i don't have any nervousness about our capability the only thing that gets me even like a little bit on edge or

something before the show is just uh equipment working like line checking i'm real big on line checks before we go up there and like you know i don't want to get up there in the first song you start singing hey my vocals not on what's going on here totally you know or hey i don't have any power in my board that's what

gets me nervous totally well because it's out of your control it's out of your control and when you're up there you're up there and you got to have somebody good side stage that knows what they're doing you know we're trying to find somebody right now and we brought out a um a really great sound guy with us this weekend this past weekend

we had two bigger shows so we really needed somebody and man he was just so on top of it and like the sec the first night went so well that like the second night before the show i was you know starting to get those nerves and i was like you know what went away this dude knows what he's doing and like i

have no fear to get up there and i know everything's going to work you know so to have getting rid of some of that anxiety does it have a pretty good effect on like how you perform i think so oh yeah at least the first few songs you know you get up there and you're kind of you're like man you're listening around

you're listening to your ears you're like everything's good okay yeah all right now we can do this you know did the in-ears take you a while to get used to not really we uh yeah we got our in-ears and we went on like a four-day run the ride out of the bat with them and uh yeah we just upgraded three weeks ago

to a new system um it's been it's been great yeah they're very high dollar ones i'm leasing so where are you leasing them from um leaf custom cases and stuff he's uh he's got some so that's probably the way to do it i've thought about it but leasing some of this stuff because it's like it goes out of date it does yeah

no time well and if something breaks or something you know then you know you just take it back and it gets you a new one as long as you know you didn't purposely throw it across the stage or something but uh yeah i know man we love him you know he got us a great setup and they sound awesome so much better

than what we had because ours were old and just like you said they go out of date and i think ours are at least probably six years old or something like that so yeah i bought a used system yeah and it's older so you get a little washy fuzziness for sure a lot of interference yeah we got the little paddle thing but

it's still yeah go play a festival or a big stage we have to like turn off everybody else terrible turn them all off yeah which i don't think that they like that very much yeah but it's like uh tyler leaf was he was telling me he's like man in the texas scene he's like do not be afraid to ask us the bigger

bands like to turn our stuff off oh for real he's like that's it's common courtesy he's like just ask us like oh okay we're not going to get mad he's like yeah you go out there some of those nashville guys they might get a little more mad about it but um he's like he ain't gonna make us mad he's like that's just

kind of the thing around here yeah but because yeah it does make a difference no doubt you got like the guy on the far side of the stage that's just waving you down during the show ain't got anything yeah we were playing with somebody the other day and um we asked them to turn it off during the sound check because we had

like nothing yeah and uh halfway through our set we're in the middle to take away this pain and they on they turned it on and it was i mean like zero i pulled all my ears out i didn't know everybody lost it i thought it was just me so i'm in the talkback like hey i lost everything well they couldn't even hear

what i was saying because they didn't have anything either yep and uh so our tour manager is running their bus beating on the door and uh they come back over there and uh he's like man i'm sorry i forgot i'm so sorry and they turned it right back off and okay and then it was great but yeah hold all take away this

pain pretty much all the way through it we didn't have nothing and the mains were like so far out front oh yeah so you could you couldn't hear anything no it's okay you know were y'all playing the click yeah well i guess you well so the drummer didn't but i guess if you didn't hear it didn't matter anyways yeah we did we

pulled through it everything was fine it was just really hard to understand in that moment what was actually going on because the like i said the mains were so far out front like my vocal i had nothing oh yeah other than the feeling in my chest you know the mains were gone they were out there pull out your ears oh completely both

of them yeah are you pretty good about not taking them out uh on this new system yeah the old system i'd pull it out sometimes when i couldn't get things to sound right i'd be fighting it and i couldn't maybe get enough strong you know kick drum or something in my ear then i'd pull it out you know yeah like not only

do i have a lot of i have quite a bit of click in my ear but i really got to be able to feel them drums too like chase's kick and the snare kick snare and click uh you don't put any high hat well i guess you have to click it yeah i mean i got all the drums but i'm talking about

i got like the kick and the snare really up in the mix as opposed to the rest of the kit you know and uh if i can't hear that well then yeah i'll pull the ear out just so i can feel his kick drum or the snare yeah so do you if you had to choose it's probably not this like binary but

do you enjoy like writing and recording music or the performance side of it more man uh yeah that's a tough one i do enjoy the writing and recording and you know especially the past couple projects where it's really finally come together and the one we just finished up uh it's been my favorite by far just because i think i finally found what

i've been looking for this entire time sound wise okay and um yeah and then the perform i mean i think when you got a great performance like we this past saturday friday night we played in schulenburg texas it's the national party of texas and uh i mean just a killer crowd singing every song back just screaming their lungs out and you know

we did the encore ranch girl dream yeah i think i saw that and that was it was crazy and but when you play a show like that and you can really feel good about it yeah then i do love their performance aspect but you know when you're driving all the way back from wherever you're at and maybe it wasn't the best show

maybe it was a lighter crowd than what you thought was going to be there or something like that you're like man what am i doing right now we've played a couple of those together yeah yep i have one seared in my brain what's that i can't really give the town it wasn't texas though it was in texas i just don't remember how

long ago well it was when we did well i'm trying to think uh it was yeah ah a year ago in texas yeah and it was like they all blended it was like it was like a little festival thing but we did sound check and it was like a big metal building of course but oh behind the stage they had the rolling

door yeah during soundcheck they had it open and then when we went on they shut it right so we got it right yeah but then it was it was like a whole a hawaiian uh themed ride party yeah it was a weird one yeah you'll play those man you know as we say in our band you'll get that on them bigger jobs

you know uh yeah i don't know it's just times like that when you're driving back in the middle of the night we're like oh i love writing songs yeah even yeah i don't even think about that whenever i'm driving back from somewhere but then also you got to appreciate those times too and i think uh honestly that playing stuff like that for

the past you know three years or so uh yeah i feel like i've grown mentally and you know as a person totally like i feel like i know exactly who i am because of those you know what i mean yeah dude it really it makes you uh it makes you really decide if you want it oh it does right yep and not

just music i'm just talking about in life like you know my you know character and who i want to be you learn who you want to be out there real fast you know what do you mean by that well i mean there's just uh there's a lot of emotions on the road you know and the you know pre-show fun or the pre-free

show drive or whatever maybe you're it's fun and then all of a sudden you get into a slump and then it's high on stage then when you get off you get the post show loneliness and then 30 minutes later you're back in the van headed to whataburger with the guys and you're laughing about something somebody said it's just it's up and down

up and down up and down all day all night and a lot of time by yourself and a lot of time to think too and uh yeah you'll realize real fast who you are when you're thinking just all night long driving like man you know what are we doing out here and you learn who you are and why you're out there you

know yeah i think for sure yeah creates the mental toughness oh it does you got to be tough out there because that mentally because man it'll beat you down yeah because there's other stuff coming in there where it's like base guy doesn't show up yeah again whatever guy quits a week before right can't get this done people just move so quickly in

and out of your life right that's actually what i have the hardest time with is people coming in to the fold and you like you want to uh like really include them and make them a part of it yeah uh but then it's like at any moment they just figure i see yeah man i've been very blessed um to not have any

guys just check out on me anybody who's ever left i've you know unfortunately had to let them go but which is a tough thing to do in itself because it is like a family out there almost when you when you do bring them in and they're part of it for so long you know but uh yeah i've been very blessed to not

have guys anybody that's been flaky or anything like that i mean and they're did you have the early on stuff where guys like no showed and all that not really no show no we never had anybody know show or anything yeah i've like i said i've been blessed from day one to have guys that been right there ready to roll uh i

haven't had any problems with it yeah it's been hard to find you know that kind of guy those that those guys there you know but yeah they're with me so if you weren't if you weren't doing this what would you what would you be oh man i have no idea no idea at all there's probably a little bug in you that would

want to go rodeo pretty hard yeah i mean that was kind of my goal but you know it kind of got put on the back burner right there last year college even the year before my like my junior year college because the music i was i don't i was just not kind of starting to play some little acoustic stuff and just playing

around with it and uh yeah that was always that's all i ever did you know like growing up that's all we ever did um i'd get home from school and we'd go down there and we'd rope all night or not all night till 10 o'clock and then go to school and come home and do it all again the next day every day

and go to a rodeo on the weekends and high school rodeos cpras and i did buy my permit for going to pro shows there i guess my junior year college and uh yeah i guess that'd probably be the biggest bug or the i don't know if it's really a regret because my goal is to where i can get this music thing you

know big enough man take it as far as i can take it you know to where i can have the comfort to man just go have fun at it totally because i mean i've been able to do that now too you know it's taken a lot of the pressure off you know i was sure wish i didn't have any pressure if i

didn't have that pressure whenever i was full-time rodeoing like that i put on myself yeah then shoot up dude that's like i would have went on pretty big probably know tyler halverson right yeah the singer gets a check every road he does man every single one yep that's a great line it's uh jake murphy sent me that song we were driving and

i listened to it and i was like oh my god he wrote the perfect song yeah i love that song that's a cool cat man yeah i've never met him we've talked a little bit on the phone and uh he's actually opening up the twisted jay for us in november oh heck yeah so we all need to do something together yeah we

would fit good it would do really well i did a little acoustic thing with him that twisted j not all that long ago yeah he's cool i like his music really yeah his music's just awesome man he's just a he's got that writing style that's i don't know what the word is for it but it's like this uh i don't know it's

just very unique you know i love it i love every one of these songs i can listen to them all day yeah and you know it's him singing it definitely yeah great uh consistency throughout all of it and everything yeah that's great so do you i would imagine you always team rope too right i did uh i'm mainly calf roped okay but

then i did team rope yeah i'm i hit it i don't do much healing at all yeah unless somebody just needs me to haze yeah for sure yeah i'll swing her up in haze for you but yeah uh yeah i know i always calf roped mainly have you been up here much to decatur like rodeoing up here yeah or just hanging out

or anything i haven't hung out up here much no i mean we've passed through all the time and stuff but never really stopped in too much i want to say we played a show here or uh close to here somewhere we stayed in decatur one night uh my old tour manager's house but uh yeah i don't i don't think i don't think

we played here maybe it was just nearby yeah my favorite story about you is uh i want i don't know where the rodeo was at but you played star rodeo yeah can you please tell that story yeah man we were down in uh stockdale texas it was us and uh mickey and the motor cars and then flatland was the headliner that night

and uh yeah i ended up in the calf roping there at stockdale and big al drugged the rig down there and we got two rigs down there you know we're real big now yeah music rig and the horses in one and uh went down there and ended up uh ended up second in the rodeo because and that was saturday night so yeah

i knew like right then that i was gonna yeah it was saturday so that was the last perf yeah so i roped and ended up second and then we went over there and 30 minutes later i walked on stage with crap all over my jeans dude everything and what a badass yeah that's it was fun man it was really fun and i

got to do that on saturday also this past saturday i wasn't on the s no not saturday friday at schulenburg i wasn't up the same night but i entered the slack on thursday night went over yeah that would be perfect dude if you could do yeah if you could do like friday well yeah that would be tough to do but yeah if

you could just go in slack right i've been trying to i told i told my family i was like i'm gonna enter at least three cpras before the end of the summer go for it just to do it i said i'm gonna enter slack only just go over there and rope go home and uh i entered taylor a couple weeks ago and

then i entered schulenberg this past thursday and then uh i got a couple more on the books i'm looking to see if we can make but how'd you do with those no good yeah well i was like one out at taylor i messed my tie up really pretty bad i should have been right there and then i was like nine or something

and then at uh schulenberg i was late i ended up being 10. how much are you normally roping are you still like practicing a lot or what not enough not as much as i should be yeah but yeah but come on like yeah i mean i tried her up during the week quite a bit but i was but it's been so hot

be honest with you that's true but i'm kind of a it's kind of funny to say this but i'm a fair weather cowboy that's the that's the title of our upcoming album and uh it's very rather cowboy that's funny yeah a little self-doubt oh i love that yeah it's yeah it's kind of funny that but it's been so hot i'm fair with

the cowboy man i ain't getting out of here right now you know but i got a little young horse at the house i need to be roping on more so how old is it uh he's like five i guess i just got him back from ricky canton's a couple months ago he had him for three months i guess and yeah he uh

kind of took him over the edge for him that i just didn't have the time to push him over where he needed to be and we were gone all the time and just couldn't put the consistency on him and so i sent him ricky's and got him back and now i need to be putting in the timeline did you did you like

start a lot of your young ones like growing up or who did you all send them off and we didn't uh you know you all these people are all the kids whenever i was growing up and stuff you know who they were or whatever they were buying these 50 000 horses oh yeah 100 000 horses you know that was never me we

had to make every horse that i had um not really me making them i was young and clueless at the time but uh between my dad and like the horse that i still ride today we bought her from a good family friend and he's actually our horseshoe aaron brandt and uh he sold her to me whenever i was in the seventh grade

i guess like the end of seventh grade and i sent her to ricky canton's and he uh kept her the entire summer and i got her back that fall and uh yeah it just was she was ready to roll and i think we bought her for man like 4 000 bucks and swapped another little cult for and that's pretty much the only

one i've ever ridden in the cafe and from then on i mean i've tried some different horses and we ended up buying one college and that was the most we ever paid for a horse at the time is or still it was we paid 15 000 for one college i remember thinking that was crazy you know because we i had never done

anything like that and it's everything we'd ever had we'd made or you know bought them cheap and then made them into what they were sure you know that's the only way we could do we know we weren't rich or anything like that so yeah and prices have even gone up from there oh it's crazy now just in the time that i've been

out of the loop you know the past four years it's pretty wild yeah dude but i think it's part of like the general economy just everything's gotten expensive yeah gas and everything yeah it's crazy they'll probably come down at some point i'm actually surprised the prices haven't come down quicker like with hay and fuel and all that right it's like gosh who

can like a three string alfalfa up here i think it was like 30 something bucks all right who the heck is a uh round bale was like 175 yeah it was like 90 two years ago yeah i don't know i just feel like it's one of those things though that no matter what it's costing they're still going to you think so and

i think everybody knows that it's just in your mind like it's just a lifestyle you know it doesn't matter what your lifestyle or how much it's going to cost you like you've and you've got to have that you know so you keep buying it that was one of the early on that was one of the big reasons that i thought it'd be

a good idea to get into horseshoeing right as my brother-in-law was a horse sure so i started working for him like at the end of high school and uh and so he would have started really building his business probably in like oh 809 so he would have been like right in the middle of that session yeah and that's like when his business

got bigger yeah man i think rodeo did pretty good in that time i know like um my dad has said you know he uh my family's had the cowboy sports news uh rodeo magazine uh i don't know if you've ever heard of it but your dad that's my dad oh okay and uh they had it for 30 years and he just us

we just shut it down this past november or maybe it's last november whatever it was um he just it was just time it you know being a magazine in today's age and it's just it's a changing world now and he was just tired and you know 30 years a long time to do a magazine so but anyways that's kind of probably a

little sad too though because at the end of it's like all of a sudden a new technology comes in that almost makes it obsolete yeah but uh i mean it was good to good to us and my family and everything and you know it uh served its purpose and everything but yeah i don't even know where i was going with that anymore

no you were saying he had the magazine but then he shut it down oh and talking about an 08 yeah like uh that was like the best years for the magazine because you know like rodeo was still thriving through all that even like right now you know prices are high but rodeo's still going along you know everybody's still buying that i don't

know it's high credit cards yeah i know i'm a little worried a credit card no i'm just i mean about oh the economy in general well the rodeo community i don't know how they're getting up down the road yeah i know what it cost me to go down the road and i don't know i almost feel like sometimes our expenses are a

little more you know what with paying your employees and your gas well maybe more than like a rough stock guy yeah i don't know i ain't more than barrel racers i can tell you that yeah right but yeah i don't know but you are right it is so much money i mean yeah with i still feel like i'm in that industry enough

you know like we're doing the same thing you know we're going down the road we're getting to the rodeo early we're sitting around you've got all this dead time you're just sitting around there waiting and your one run happens then you load up you drive back home it's the same deal as rodeo you know you're paying the same gas bill yep and

uh everything like that so yeah it's the same lifestyle for sure no doubt that's why they've always gotten along yeah like musicians and rodeo people right i've noticed recently though that there it doesn't seem like there's as much of a connection as there used to be as of the two right yeah you know like growing up like looking at like the chris

ledoux stuff or even george strait it's like those dudes were like right in the thick of it well the music's changing too you know yeah uh i don't know i like to think that i can be involved with it as much as i can in the future you know uh and be a good advocate for it too because i think there needs

to be more good advocates for rodeo i would agree um and if you know the music were to help me do something like that then great but totally yeah what do you think is the biggest issue with rodeo right now issue oh well no i mean issue in the sense of like why people are shying away from it why it's not growing

as much as we would like we can't do the main reasons i don't think i have the answers but um i think it just takes common sense from everybody though you know i mean and it and it's you know not everybody's out there acting fool or anything but you know just present yourself in the best way possible you know um you still

see it at jackpots and stuff you know people acting fools sometimes uh smaller stuff you know i think it takes apart from everybody and not just being stuck in you know the old ways or something okay yeah it is a changing world you know and there's not going to be any going back to anything you can't get around that so yeah it's

going to change and you got to learn to adapt to it and present it to the new world you know yeah it probably does need to be a little bit of like a little bit more of a welcoming atmosphere right you know i struggled with that a little bit i mean i grew up out here so i was around a ton of

guys there obviously rodeoed and did it at a high level but yeah i wasn't into it and my family's not into it at all right it's like i didn't even know how to put a halter on a horse till i was into high school right and then i had somebody show me right and then i ran with it from there but it

was all self-taught right but a lot of that culture and that industry there's like almost kind of gatekeepers with it yeah and i get it because it is so steeped in history um but you can't be like a douche about it yeah like if somebody doesn't know or understand it and they admit it like he can't like make him feel like a

[expletive] right i think it's just uh it's easy to judge you know and maybe a lot of people don't have the inner power to kind of overcome that you know yeah but uh you know i think yeah there's a lot of people there like that but i think there's just as many that are that do help you know and that are accessible

totally um if you're honest with them yeah which i like if you come in bumping your gums and you don't know what you're talking about right that ain't cool yeah then they're just gonna laugh at you yeah but if you're honest man i need some help i don't i want to get into this i don't know what i'm doing most people are

pretty cool about it yeah i mean uh yeah there's a lot of you know team ropers the team roping industry is kind of like an industry in itself and there's a lot of that you know there's guys that haven't never seen a horse totally and they're china team rope yeah and look what's happening to the industry yeah i mean my gosh yep

at those low numbered ropings i mean good heavens the amount of money you can win yeah which is great you're getting so many people involved right it's awesome yeah for the horses it's kind of like you know the dale brisby thing too you know all his intern stuff on there and everything like yeah you know that's kind of bringing in the outside

world to that i think it's pretty neat you know he's not discriminating you know he's got those interns are from everywhere you know and they have they come from all walks of life i've never even seen a cow to you know he's got that uh jordan on there and she's she was a you know a bull rider female that's the chick riding

bulls right yeah she's kind of a bad little cat didn't she yeah i think that's funny how on the tv show they are before the tv show came out or the netflix show they had to like keep her face covered on all the posts for like it was a long time before it came out yeah because she had been working there and

like doing the show filming it so anytime that they like they were trying to keep it all a secret you know so anytime they would like take a snapchat or something she was around they'd have to cover her face oh really and then finally when the netflix show came out they were like hey this is whose face has been covered for the

past year oh it's probably great marketing honestly yeah it was just yeah it was it was like another thing to talk about you know that dude's a freaking genius man he's awesome man do you know him pretty well man uh yeah i know uh leroy pretty good man yeah he's broke i actually wrote wine and weed with him oh okay yeah leroy

he come down to the house and uh spent a couple days and we picked around on some songs and pretty much when he was like leaving the house that day he's like hey i got this song idea you need to we need to see if we can do something with it i was like man why didn't you tell me when he was

leaving yeah when he was leaving gosh man it kind of sounds like him though right and uh so it was a few months later or something i picked around the idea and uh you know pretty much wrote that song there and i sent it to him and i was like what you think and yeah man he had the main idea for it

wasn't my idea so stealing so on so yeah hey listen to this one this is insane this kind of side note just because i just said that i had a kid that played fiddle with me like five years ago yeah i didn't have any music out and i think i had one single that came out like and he was kind of playing

with me just playing acoustic stuff right and then you he just ended up being an odd duck and like i had to get rid of him right long story short so you fast forward like to now i guess it was probably like a year ago got a new guitar player i guess he meets this old fiddle player at a bar or something

and this fiddle player starts telling him like yeah you know most of those songs jared has he's like he's like right here no i swear and so my guitar player was like telling me this that he met this guy i'm like who is this guy and he said that like a lot of the you know the riffs in the songs and uh

and a lot of those songs like i wrote after i even knew him right but he flat out was like in a bar telling this cat that like he came up with a lot of the ideas and i was like so you're gonna have to tell me afterwards this guy's name yeah just because um i had like almost the same thing really

happened to me um i ain't gonna say no names or what song or anything like that but somebody claimed that um that i stole high tonight and that um it was their song really so what level i guess is this guy at just a note kind of yeah nothing happening yeah really did he just but of course he probably didn't say it

to you mm-hmm dude i'm so not into it yeah the lawyers were coming out apparently are you serious did you know him already just that just random said it to a friend of mine and uh oh yeah how weird yeah it was a still a weird deal what's the end game yeah i don't know it's telling you it's my song uh yeah

like you could probably show the time stamp on like your voice memos yeah like you know what i mean yeah uh wrote it floating down the freo river so yeah i stopped on the bank next to a rope swing and i sang it to the group that we were with i was like hey i wrote the second verse that song listen sang

it right there and then yeah like the next week we recorded it but yeah i guess it was his song first dude that's so weird that kid that did that to me i ended up calling him like after every show at like 2 a.m really i would facetime him and i would call him and he never picked up because i was just

gonna be like um it's a weird deal man i don't know i don't understand anything like that like why would they want to do that or they do uh i'm sure you've started having the accounts like what other whatever it's on tick tock instagram where it's like fake accounts yeah of you using all your stuff yeah which is a weird thing to

look at i've had quite a few of them you know and then they'll uh we had one on tick tock and they were just sending this message out to everybody but it wasn't like anything just overtly weird but it was weird right clearly not me uh and so just i reported the account but they reported me back oh my gosh so my

account got suspended really yeah dude like we would post a tick tock and like it would get zero views oh no literally zero for days and we just have to wait wow because somebody made it so now i just let the fake accounts go man that's something i kind of stress about not really stressed about it but i do think about it

you see like it seems like this week honestly i've seen so many instagrams get hacked where they do like the um you know invest with me and they start posting on these people's accounts like look how much money i've made and all this but it's fake you know yep and they're getting hacked but i feel like this week i've seen like four

or five accounts really act like that why do you i don't i don't know how they yeah it's kind of like man you know am i at risk probably you know like how do they get in because that i mean my password is you know just as normal or simple as these other people you know just oh yeah just because i have

more followers or something doesn't mean that i'm not at risk i think even like uh yeah you're the one that's to hack me i mean it's been me dude that guy talking about yourself oh yeah that was that's you i got you yeah it's kind of stressful i think for sure that's true i hate that we rely so much on social media

but we do and if that were to go like that just gone back to zero you have to start a new account sword like it's the only reason i've had anything happen for me but at the same time yep i don't know i really like people listening to my music and all that but sometimes you know you'll get those messages where it'll

be like i don't know like i wish you know they're saying like man i wish i had your life or you know something like that right and i'm like oh no yeah don't do that don't you know yeah because i know what it's doing to them and i don't like that go live your life man like go focus on yourself yeah because

i don't i would never want like what i'm doing to like make somebody feel bad about their own life right so like happens with chicks a lot you got these ladies that i mean give them credit like they look incredible right it's like a medium yeah and a lot of it's photoshopped too yeah and then you got girls that are just they

just get destroyed because of it yeah can't even be in their own skin yeah well i mean i'm not even gonna lie i mean a lot of it's not photoshopped but like i try to make my post look as good as i can you know that's part of the marketing strategy oh yeah you know so yeah but you're not like shaving off

no i'm not building my muscles or shaving off this belly here but uh you know we'll retake a picture ten times i have seen you put a little bulge right there oh yeah i mean i do that person you're being a little generous yeah that make it understand you feel bad right yeah no but we'll retake a picture like 10 times or

something to make it right you know to get the best look of it yeah you know so then it's the same way with like all those girls and stuff that are posting that stuff you know and then somebody's looking at you like you're better than them or something like man this is it is a marketing platform and i'm marketing the best look

you know so you got to look at it that way but yeah people shouldn't look like that's real life it is real life but it's not picture is not real life no you know what i mean no when you take this picture we're getting the best look of the picture it's a highlight reel yeah uh it's totally a highlight reel like i'm

not out there faking what i'm doing if i'm roping i'm roping that day yeah but i'm going to make the picture look right when we take it yeah there's things that they don't see like they don't see you like mucking stalls or horses or yeah no wrapping a foot because it's got an abscess taking it to the vet and paying a thousand

dollars getting injected like they don't see all the stuff it's not really very fun yeah so it's just a highlight reel but it's a little bit deceiving but it's not intentionally deceiving some people are intentionally deceived yeah i guess that's what it is it's deceiving but it's not you know at least ours is not intentional it's right mine is but it's oh

yeah so i got my foam cup shirt all right dude you won't even believe how many people will say it's actually right when i walked in today uh they'll be like man that shirt i want to say i've seen you wear it before have you got it recently or is it okay yeah i think i've worn it to some shows i think

i've seen you in it but they'll say it like it's uh like shocking news and they'll be like dude that shirt's like a it's like do you remember those cups and i'm like no way really i really wouldn't thought i was just getting a cool graphic that's all i thought it was yeah i wore it to ljt i think oh yeah i

was very excited about it yeah very exciting ljt or the shirt uh ljt oh okay or both i'm excited about ljt because of the shirt right yeah that's a cool deal there oh man it's the best didn't it yeah i haven't gotten to play like a whole bunch of other big festivals but ljt dude that place is awesome yeah we played this

year on the wednesday night i think and uh randy rogers was the headliner that night and we actually uh we were we headed back home that night so i left uh like randy rogers i think he played his it was like right when he was getting his last song in we all loaded up and uh we were headed out or whatever and

i didn't even see him walk on stage or anything and i wasn't paying attention i was like side stage way off over by like where the merch building is yeah and uh so you know i could like see him from a distance or whatever and i was listening and everything and i wasn't paying attention we load up we're headed home and about

an hour later i start getting these messages and stuff and they're like man i was so cool randy was wearing your shirt up there i was like what oh what are you talking about and i got it and then finally they got me a close-up picture and he had carson jeffrey shirt on i was like man that's pretty cool and i didn't

even notice and i was watching the show i didn't even notice yet you know that is hilarious yeah at least you weren't like expecting him to do it or anything like that yeah i know i don't even know how he got it uh who gave it to him or it had they have given it to him that day i would imagine yeah

but i don't know who would have brought it to him or if he was going out there earlier in the day and looking or yeah i don't know yeah you'll probably the so this last year i played the saturday but the year before i was on the wednesday so i bet this year coming up you'll be on like have they talked to

you again i haven't heard anything yet no have you met larry yet i'm sure you have i didn't oh for real no i never even saw him around there we need to try to get on the same day out there yeah i'll introduce to larry he's a cool cat i kept looking for him and uh never really saw him all because you

know of course they have the other stage going on right before us and then and then afterwards i was like out in the crowd pretty much the whole time we kind of went and hung out there but yeah so i wasn't really backstage a whole lot but you've made it on a bunch of big festivals the past couple years haven't you man

we're not really haven't been on too many of them i mean ljt music fest uh you've already been at music fest one year oh i didn't just this past year it was my first year to be on the bill yeah i mean i've been for the past i guess this year was like my fifth year few schools here yeah you do yeah

i snowboarded one time whenever i was little and it's too much work like when you get to a dead spot and you're gonna push yourself along oh for sure not about that yeah you got to keep the speed up yeah but skiing if you get to a dead spot you can kind of get along pretty easy totally but that's snowboarding like i

was dead i was like laid out like this i'm tired yeah so i took them back and traded them in for skis that afternoon one day that's all i lasted or you catch your edge one time and slam on snow man i wasn't bad though like i was fine did you like do some wakeboarding or skateboarding uh growing up yeah like i

mean i tried to ride a little skateboard whenever i was a kid but i did like a lot of skin boarding you know oh yeah i'm pretty good at that but well that'll help yeah so it wasn't like a big deal but it was just too much work i was like forget this man trading it in totally i love that steamboat we

went one time yeah man that was so cool it's awesome dude it's the coolest i want to play that so bad it's a lot of fun man and like we were talking before we started talking earlier um it's like the people with the vita drip thing or whatever the ivs you know uh i can see why they get them because man at

the end of the week you're just like you are dead yeah it's like being in vegas for the finals yeah except you're like you're freezing cold well and you all day you're like doing something very physically active well the shows start at noon so your only time to really if you if you want to ski and enjoy the skiing you have to

do in the morning right so you're up till three in the morning and then you get up at seven ski to go ski dehydrated and you grab your quick bite to eat you're at ten thousand eat lunch and then yeah you ski all morning which is exhausting in itself and you're freezing cold you need a shower and then you watch shows until

three o'clock or you watch shows till midnight and then you're hanging out until two three in the morning and uh it's pretty tiring yeah that's a week that's a week recovery for sure oh yeah it's like a full what by the time you the day before when you arrive and then to the day after when you leave it's like six days or

something it's really that long it's a long time maybe when you always six when y'all played were you out there like most of the whole time like did i stay the whole time yeah how long were you there oh yeah no i stay home for real yeah that's the way that i would want to do it i'd get out there at the

beginning yeah some people leave like after they play but uh no i'll never do that it's such a um mingling thing you know like what's the word i'm looking for um exposure i don't want to do that i actually the first year we went i guess it would have probably been 2017 uh and i sat in the lot or i did the

little open mic thing yeah you were there that's right we did it together we did i don't think i played on the day that you sang it maybe you did it multiple days but i that was the first year i went to steamboat and i ended up uh playing at the open mic the last day really i sang up there but i

remember you went up there and you sang yeah you were like in the room or something yeah i was like on the front row dude i was so nervous i was like who the hell is this guy hey i was so nervous and i was so hungover yeah oh it's one of those two where you're like you don't know if you're nervous

or just hungover yeah because you're just so shaky right so it's like probably a combination of the two yeah the first i mean the first three years of going up there and playing that open mic yeah i don't know what it was about that room but i would get so nervous would you really like to the part where i couldn't even function

yeah that's the most nervous i think i've ever been it's probably playing this music fest high five over there yeah that is me for sure i don't know what it was about it that's not even a lot i mean bj bar barum was standing over on the side uh there's a couple other just scattering there's watching dude i was like death nervous

yeah i guess that's what it is you feel the pressure they and they get up there and they're like all right next up carson jeffrey that type of stuff's always freaked me out though what's that uh like i get more nervous at a show if there's not that many people there than if there's a bunch i do too yeah so cause if

there's a bunch of people there you know they're gonna have a good time there's no pressure just go out there and do your job but if it's less people you gotta work at it and you're gonna be like hey y'all gonna cheer you know but anyways and that yeah that was the most nervous i've ever gone i was butchered i did so

bad that i don't think so because i left there that i was like man who's this guy you really remembered that yeah you played the coyote how i did you did how wow thanks man yes sir that means a lot that you would even know that sorry to be such a letdown once you met me [Laughter] no uh so i dude i

felt so bad about that my performance that i told jess my wife i don't even think we were married yet we weren't quite married yet and i was like i have to like i'm gonna go in the lobby and just put out my like my little tip jar and i'm gonna play just to like feel like i redeemed myself right so i

sat there for probably two hours in the lobby of the grand and i have a song called steamboat springs like talking about that actually really and uh i remember stoney larue walking by yeah and i was playing one of his songs and he was like sounds good brother and that was like the coolest thing ever i got to meet him this past

year nice guy that he's a very nice guy that was a crazy uh crazy moment there yeah so uh ben hussey ended up when i got in the songwriter competition at ljt uh i remember ben coming up to me like before i went on and he and he said he was at that open mic too and he heard me do coyote yep

and he was like that was a really great song man yeah well it's just a very unique song and i just remember thinking that the moment when you're playing i was like man that is really um took a lot of thinking a lot very interesting yeah thanks man uh i appreciate that but i guess it goes to show that like you just

never really know who's like kind of watching or who's right you don't man and you can be very bad yeah and still some good things might happen yeah and that's important too just like back to the uh part of you asked me why maybe cove would help me you know just thinking about that like you dang sure you don't want to be

bad in front of those people you never know who's watching for sure you know and if you say i would have got a show booked at like the blue light or something early on and i'd go up there and make a fool of myself well you never know who's sitting in that room watching you know it's the one first impression thing yeah

you get one first impression that's right and uh yeah i'm glad we got to take a little time to get our stuff together before we started going out there and hitting it hard yeah that's a cool way of looking at it uh i think it's right it takes some patience though yeah a lot of people just don't have that type of patience

right just want to get out there and do it but then you see someone like even with putting out albums and stuff there's some of these dudes that they're so eager to do it and then they get like a few albums in and then like we'll delete their first one yeah i don't know yeah there's been some weird stuff with that if

it was that bad though yeah but i feel like when i've seen it wasn't bad oh you know what i mean yeah and like i feel like you kind of built your career on those first albums and then you put out this new stuff and you're like oh no i'm taking that off i would agree i hate i don't say i'm not

gonna say i hate it i don't i wish i would have done so many things different on my first album so many things different that's so funny production wise really songwriting there's songs i wish i wouldn't have put on there but okay that's so but that makes sense now that i've seen you play live and i see like your full band iteration

and what you're going for there yeah that makes sense it's different than the first album it's i don't know but because when i hear your first album and then hear the full band right i'm like well this isn't exactly like what no it's not production sounds like no it's not so i get that but that first record is freaking dope dude appreciate

it man but like i'm not ever gonna delete that i won't because i mean ranch girl dreams on that album you know so if you take one good thing away from the whole thing you know the song on why i'm sitting here but uh yeah i don't i don't know that like i said that whole first album there's some things i regret

but i'll never delete it right you know because i mean it's a part of you what do you think was the biggest thing about like production choices that you would do different um trying to hone in on sound more you know just kind of went in and cut a bunch of different songs and put them together i didn't i mean don't get

me wrong i'm proud of it you know it was me at the time and we did it and put it out and it got me it got me some good things you know but uh yeah i think everybody probably has that feeling if you could do it over you know and that'd probably be the one thing i just make it mesh a

little bit more and it was nobody's fault but my own for not knowing what i wanted yeah that's all it was yeah i had no idea i was just going in there and cutting songs that i had written in the garage you know in college sitting out there on my roommate's broken couch in the garage and i'd write some songs with the

garage door open yeah but yeah i stylistically liked it a lot the first album yeah for sure yeah but i can hear like your newest single cow pissing yeah i can hear i can hear how some like a more like rock sound you're like you're meshing the two pretty well together yeah like it's not like you just have two freaking screaming distorted

guitars right in your face yeah um but it's thumps but you still have some like cool productions yeah we have we still have a lot of steel guitar in it that's something i want to keep in there i think that's kind of my i'm big on that i like a lot of guitar but i like to blend in that steel a lot

too uh just for my ear you know i think that kind of makes the difference in some of my songs but on this new record i'm talking about you know yeah uh and actually travis uh my guitar one of my guitar players he's gonna start playing the steal on some stuff on the uh at the live show like he bought a uh

no he's a dealer he's had one he's always played but oh for real yeah but you know is that the new no my newer guitar player is uh ryan rogers okay but uh travis has been with me since almost day one oh pretty much david tall guy right taller yeah along here yes sir great guy but uh yeah he's played steel guitar

for forever and uh but he's never brought it out just because it's so much to lug around and when you're opening up and you gotta tear down in 15 minutes and get the next guy up there it's too much oh and before you didn't have the second guitar player i didn't so that's another factor it's gonna be so empty so just it

never really worked but now that we're headlining pretty much all every time and uh you know we can take the time and we have the second guitar player so he's going to bring out that steel guitar and play it on someone like the end of the set like ranch girl buzz brain some of those songs like that i love because we close

on range girl every night you do yeah and uh so that'll be like his main one to play it on so it's really i'm excited i'm excited to see him play it up there i'm excited to hear it'll give it i think it'll give a uh there's no electric lead guitar in that song on the recording if you listen it's the steal

takes the entire song there's no lead at all from guitar and at the shows all we do is put guitar as the lead right we compensate but yeah so that's just the next iteration you're going to be able to hit some just some different sounds yeah in the live set i think that helps a listener so much mm-hmm this kind of gives

them a break from a clean palette on some different sounds yeah like during the set right yeah we're we do a lot of the songs differently uh kind of not just sound wise but also sometimes we change up a little bit of the uh structure you know slightly yeah and just to tailor it to make it a show you know it's all

about a show so we're trying to make it a better show than just what you're constantly yeah and holding people's attention man yeah we're pretty happy with the set right now but we're i'm really gonna be happy whenever we get these new songs in there when the new stuff comes out do you have a full record cut already yeah it's done oh

for real where'd you do that one at uh farmland studios in nashville oh you went to the nashee i did david dorns producer up there and uh caleb fisher's engineer but um yeah man we did so we did buzz brain part one at melody mountain and then we did buzz brain part two up there in nashville um i actually did take away

this pain and not innocent in nashville at that studio from the second album just testing the waters whatever ended up coming back to texas finishing the whole album and then uh after we did the melody mountain buzz ep part one um we were trying to get back in there and the timing just wasn't gonna be right we couldn't get back in there

soon enough we're like man we really need to get something done so ended up calling them again and went back out to nashville and man it's crazy out there in what way just the quality of everything and the speed and it's they know what they're doing man not that any i'm not down in anything in texas i love what people do here

um but man i feel like they've been doing it a little longer out there and it's just it's fast you know and yeah they're definitely they're definitely more diligent on uh probably following up and uh well i'm not talking about just the communication or anything but i mean like when you get in there and i bring them just my demo i bring

my demo a demo of me just it's just me and the guitar acoustic and they play it on the computer and everybody's in the control room and you're listening you're listening and uh you know you've got all the studio guys sitting around and my guys i took my guys and we had studio guys and it was this big mashup thing and uh

those guys that do that for a living they're not even like listening to the songs no they're just in there drinking coffee talking and then the song's over and they're like all right we're gonna do this and this they're like yep let's roll so did they have did your producer get like a session leader that charted the songs oh the producer he'd

sit there and chart him while we were listening to him yeah he'd write the chart while we're listening to the song and then we'd talk about okay songs they were like okay what do you think about this he would say you know what do you think about changing this around this chord progression what do you think about doing this and we'd make

those adjustments on the charts two minutes later we're in we're tracking you know and you track it five times four or five times and you're done and then maybe you've got a couple of little overdubs guitars here and there hey maybe go hit some toms yep that is the nashville recording session for sure so do you feel like you like that more

i do okay because i'm a space cadet so i'm like let's sit here and hang out and like let's chase down one pedal sound for five hours i'm not like that i'd go insane man i go insane as it is just being in the studio for because we did it we did ten songs in three to three days yup uh and then

the fourth day i just finished some vocals but as far as tracking 10 songs in three days and that was a lot mm-hmm oh my gosh that's a ton we were in there all day long and my brain was fried i remember on the flight home i was i was just like i was just buzzing like i was just so but in

those moments like do you feel like because you were even saying on i think on the first record you wish you would have taken a little bit more time to like chase down some sounds and like hone it in a little bit more yeah so you feel like you on the other one you get maybe committed to it too early on the

choices that you're making for the song on this new stuff yeah like the new album or just i just mean that style of recording like okay let's chart it uh what do you guys want to do you like this you don't like this okay let's do it then you bang it out and then it's like that's it yeah but i man like

it's just so good that i'm not trying to i guess if it's just i mean it's just good like yeah we do make some maybe we'll track it twice okay and then we'll be like man this isn't working so we'll talk we'll just talk about you know everybody's in a separate room but you all got your headphones on and we'll talk about

it just sitting there and david you know okay guys we're gonna change this around let's change this and he'll tell the guitar player hey that's not really working do something else here okay and you know we'll take five minutes between the two sections of tracking and then say okay now let's try this a few more times and then you get a maybe

a completely different thing yeah we did that a lot and that's kind of we it took us a while uh we did like this time around on this album as opposed to the ep we took a lot more time sitting in the uh actual rooms where we're playing to talk about what we're hearing like after we'd get done tracking one we'd stop

like man what are we thinking here maybe we don't even need that intro maybe we need this outro you know we did take more time than that okay and they helped me david helped me find my sound i mean he really did help me find what i was looking for there's some songs calpissing yeah it's i love that song it's uh it's

kind of a joke in the band really it's just i told him i said i'm going to write a song about a cow piss on a flat rock i love it dude chase was like no you're not don't please don't oh and i didn't tell chase to fly kite yeah and uh here chase you don't know what comedy is right so i

did and uh i love that song but it's not like my favorite one of the album you know what i mean it's yeah it's a good song i love it but there's these other songs on album that i'm like man that's me yeah you know what i mean so yeah they're cool uh how many is on it 10. are you doing singles

how are you doing i'm doing three singles then we're gonna drop the whole thing the whole thing what made you come to that strategy i'm just an album guy i like albums and i know spotify wants singles so we're gonna give them three singles of what i feel like is the commercial singles and then we're gonna drop the whole album and like

it or hate it's what i was what i am so but you just like the idea of releasing a bunch at one time uh well we're gonna spread these singles out a little bit oh you're talking about like the album yeah uh yeah i just like albums i don't like it whenever people are releasing singles boom and it doesn't feel like the

same project oh right or not that i don't like it but that's not how i want to look at my music for sure look at my music like this block this block that's how i like it and if i feel like if i'm just doing you know 15 singles over a year and a half like what is that yeah that's exactly what

i'm doing but i'm packaging it as an album yeah but i just don't want to i don't want to give it all at one time right but it's all one project and that's i know that's what that's what it wants to the algorithm you know it wants singles but for me it was actually even more fun i can sit with the songs

longer like i still haven't finished mixing all of them but they're all recorded right and so there's some where i'm like this is gonna take some more work right and i was able to push it off towards the end yeah uh and then it like allows me to uh well and you would probably dig this because a lot of people don't know

you do a lot of like graphic design and artwork and stuff which is super awesome dude i think that's so cool which i think it adds to the whole the whole thing the whole story the narrative around the music well it saved me a lot of money too for sure i remember i think i texted you one day or something didn't i

ask you who did your like concert posters i think you did and you're like that's me that's me yeah diy yeah you ain't got to pay 200 a pop for them you just do them yourself i know man or shoot sometimes way more than that yeah but so like doing different like photo shoots and different graphics and things for one song it

allows me to like put a whole narrative around that one song right even though it's within this overarching album right and then that's the only reason that i did it but i don't like when it's just like each single it's just a bunch of singles and they all just seem to be coming from all these weird directions yeah none of like the

aesthetics have any sort of similarity i think that's weird i don't like that yeah we did that too for but ours is not really single specific or song for specific it's the whole album we did a whole photo shoot and all this branding for it and uh promo that hasn't even come out yet mainly for the whole album you know all right

um the single we had a couple of things come out and then just the new pictures and everything but yeah ours is for like the whole album and then we'll move on we'll go to that next section okay well let's get more in there so yeah i think we're going to try and do some more video work ahead of the album too

uh because we still have time you know i'm spacing it out pretty good so yeah i don't know i don't even have a date for the album yet the fall sometime oh dang so you're doing it pretty quick yeah i say it's a long time but it's not we're i'm spacing out these singles uh i don't even know when the next one's

dropping yet but yeah we're just kind of looking at this first one seeing what's gonna happen and then we'll go at it you know you should do you should do the deal where it's like you're not ready for this uh no i'll probably ruffle some feathers saying this bonker uh the one where it's like i just got a feeling this is a

you guys are going to love this song so i decided to just release it tonight drop it tonight yeah i'm just going to drop it tonight and i'm like what that's not how that works right i mean i don't think so i don't think i've done that i'm sitting here thinking like i don't think i have but yeah you would have to

upload it and there's like lag time oh yeah you're talking about actually like that's a lie yeah i'm like you're lying right like you didn't just yeah it takes two weeks you did that a month or yeah at least two weeks ago yeah and then you just waited to say that day yeah i'm just gonna drop it man it and a lot

of times i guess people don't give it the two weeks and like it'll come in on spotify and not on apple music yeah i don't know that's not a good idea no i've seen it happen so maybe some of them are like genuinely right putting it out there and i'm like oh don't do that well i know there is one of the

distributions that does say it's overnight yeah i don't know which one it is yeah but even for i mean i don't know exactly how you do it but even for spotify this is for like anybody listening that's like trying to get some more streams and stuff you got to give at least four weeks it needs time and then you can get on

the little artist portal i'm sure you do it yeah and you can pitch it to the editorial playlist curators on spotify yeah like if you're not doing that you're not giving yourself a chance to like yeah really make a difference right so yeah it needs a lot of back end time you don't nobody gets to see that you know it's all ahead

of the ahead of the release yeah and then it's just on to the next one then you just go over to the next oh yep and then the song that you just released you wrote it you know freaking god knows how long ago yeah i know we're already talking about i bet yeah i'm going to nashville to do some writing and i'm

i'll be writing this next stuff before the album even comes out so is that the are you doing a bunch of co-writing now out there is that what you're just man this is gonna be my first trip yeah feeling it out and uh just to kind of see where what i can do with my uh i haven't really done a whole lot

of co-writing you know every single thing has been on my own i feel like sometimes it's kind of hurt me in a way especially like the first album stuff but uh i've been pretty proud of my song right in here lately um but i'm not opposed to making a song as best as it can be you know i'm definitely not against it

and i want to try it out so we're going to go try it out hey you know it can't hurt you to go try it i don't think so then you'll probably just meet some good people yeah it's good connections and yeah you know there's all kinds of deals that can flow from that so yeah heck yeah man well yeah i'm a

fan thanks for doing this absolutely man thanks appreciate it what we what we're going to end up doing once you once you make it big and i just sort of stay here and sustain what i'm doing no man uh we're gonna be able because my wife raises runs barrel horses yeah and uh i'll just be the little resident horseshoer but we'll just

go rodeo yeah let's go man we can go play all the rodeos yeah you can calf rope and then barrel racer's husband yeah you be the bell raiser husband i'll rope and tyler houston would be singing and then he'll make the money yeah he's actually got the check i'll be out there in the parking lot making 30 bucks tacking on shoes all

right yeah man we need to we do need to do something else three together uh it'd be awesome maybe even like i just in my head i envisioned like this uh almost like a festival thing or like a you know a thing with us three like the i mean a thing like that you can do it here yeah i'm already putting on

shows here oh yeah yep cool let's do it let's get going i'm totally in yes sir all right carson jeffrey albums coming out to be announced in the fall sometime yeah all right see y'all