William Clark Green

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away [Music] now we always did things and we're like um you were talking earlier I mean I was just we always just the grind of the [expletive] out of it so yeah since man that I was always a little bit envious of guys who had the actual College thing going on I just never had that I never went to college so I

never had that Groundswell of like my buddies and collars that would all listen to my music yeah I mean I couldn't imagine I couldn't imagine starting a career without that I mean that was just like I did an interview the other day and it was just I mean that was what it was I mean we played Monday nights and it was all

based off getting drunk and the reason why he's looking at on Mondays of the recovery room and the reason my buddies would show up in Lubbock at recover him is because the they did not eat so we're 18 years old we go to the bar on Mondays because we could and so that's the only reason my buddy showed up and then you

know you probably do it once a week and then we move to Tuesday and then we moved to Wednesday and then um sure enough we're at Blue Light Thursday Friday Saturday so um yeah I couldn't imagine doing it without like the support of the college kids because that's where the stuff gets like had college kids having their own fun thing to listen

to in their own thing especially Lubbock like this is a Lubbock thing you know that camaraderie is like man it's huge you know it's like it feels and yeah it almost feels impossible in some ways not impossible you got College anywhere I mean I did here and there but I went to I would have done Florida for a little bit but then

he's got a fairy school that's why I'm a I'm a fairy I'm a fairy now yeah you're a fairy uh fairy actually like a fairy Captain ah like a fairy bows what's the problem is it farrier School uh yeah Fortune School barrier school but I didn't go you're still doing that now yes um I've slowed down a lot but uh I didn't

actually go to school for that either my brother-in-law was over sure I just learned from him but I went to college down in Florida for a little bit what college is in Fort Myers Florida Gulf Coast like on the west coast of Florida I've never ever there you've never been to Florida on the west coast uh yeah it's way slower really you

probably actually dig it a little not up near Tampa it's just super jam-packed but like down south near Fort Myers it's a lot you get a little bit more of that old Florida vibe it's a lot slower I don't know what an old four to five is I've only been to key I've been to Key West and that's about it well I

mean it would be like deep south uh I don't know old Florida how would you describe it Spanish moss is that where the four Gators is where's four Gators they're all going on the Sandos so that would be like North Central Florida sort of I thought they were at Tallahassee that's uh the Seminoles it's Florida State it's a weird State though it's

really segmented and there's just so many people in and out of there but that's where I started playing was a little beach bars down there really but like it was only for like a year or something and then I of course wanted to move back here because I love saw writing but then when I moved back here I just jumped right into

it so I never had that like and it really wasn't until I did that songwriter deal that I had no [expletive] so that was your first row when I met you like that could not have been I tried to warn you more cold turkey you did too I don't really even know what you told me the first time I told you I

said your girlfriend is really beautiful and looks like y'all got a good thing going I wouldn't start a [expletive] music so then I married her yeah I got married so you read that or uh you know the last bit of advice she gave me as well uh about potentially getting pregnant and having a baby you told you were like man that's probably

not the best idea you know with what we do and then the next time I saw you yeah I was pregnant which is uh you know yeah the uh it was I'm wrong ready for it though I'm ready for it financially was that a big part of it for you was just normal I mean it wasn't I had to do it on

purpose either but even just weird we had an accidental pregnancy for sure um but um yeah it's uh but I was fighting I was such a good spot when me and Danny were dating when we were a year and a half in and uh it was I already had been screen shopping and I knew um and uh it was she told her

if she was pregnant it was a great conversation I'm not so excited and uh and I was just so thankful that I had been so patient and did it with the right woman too because if it happened Sarah I would have been with the wrong one 100 so um mm-hmm but financially it was a big thing and also just like the ability

I took two months off you know I had the ability to take off you know back in the day I didn't have the ability to take off and just you know just from a financial stamp financial and work standpoint like I built such a good foundation I feel like that I can choose when I want to work hard and choose when I

could take time off and uh and back in the day I'd never home I mean you know my favorite things to do now is to be do morning duties with my son you know from 6 30 a.m to noon and I fly I fly in and out every show I mean not every show of it Wednesday if we have a show Thursday

Friday Saturday I'm flying and flying in Thursday and flying home Sunday do you I mean do you enjoy that or like what or did you like being on the bus more I mean they thought buses fun but like the whole goal is to go and get the jump to go home so that's just like when it used to not be like I'm

a guy you know what I'm just gonna stay out this whole 10-week tour and just kind of Chill on the bus and we'll support and going home I'll throw my house on Airbnb and sandwich at Ranch you know like why do I want to go home there's nothing there but no yep something go home too it's changes have came completely which is

never the case so um yeah I can't wait to go home and I love being on the road I still do it doesn't like I don't sell a rodents like oh man I just want to be home like no I enjoy my individuality I enjoy that I've created this career and it's not tangent on it's completely my identity right and so when

I go home being dad is like such a fun change of pace because it's becoming my new identity but I still can re I still have my old part of my life and the still secular I guess is a good name as it's still independent of my new life right it's something I do doesn't involve them I do it on my own

kind of like you know blah like it's so it's kind of Best of Both Worlds because and also when I'm home I'm home completely I'm not gone at 8am and I don't get home at five I'm home the entire day we spend the entire day together I get to be like fun dad and do all the things I love it like I

love morning times with my son and I love taking them to the bar I love taking I love taking it to the golf course and I mean it's me and my wife yeah me and my wife yeah you know our Saturday Sundays are our Friday Saturday nights or Sunday Mondays you know yeah and so yeah we you know I loved on the

grocery store and like [expletive] when I took the time off you know we'd be at the grocery store on Saturday which I hadn't done since College probably gone to the grocery store on a Saturday right and I was could not believe that's how people live and what I go on have you been to the grocery Saturday I think so it's a it's

a cluster [expletive] okay it's like I walked and I was like I was like my mom's like what's wrong I was like I think I have anxiety right now I'm not anxiety probably I didn't know what it was I was like oh we'll deal with this yeah I was like flustered I must have flustered because there's this [expletive] HEB is just like

you know there's people going everywhere and you're just like it's like dude on Monday Tuesday at 10 A.M yeah I mean it's like a very body for sure and everything is everything is full and you know on Saturday it's just it's just it's just everything's just depleted yeah stalkers in there trying to keep up and I just can't believe people live like

that I can't believe that well they have they have one yeah it's just I've been so used to the weekday life you know weekly weekdays on the weekends like same as like the resort we just compared to Mexico and I was just like man this pretty Resort's too crowded what's going on and then Sunday hit and you know well you're there Friday

Saturday Sunday Monday Tuesday Wednesday and Sunday and Monday Tuesday they're all gone it's like oh that's why we're just it was the weekend what are you on vacations are you like a uh are you an activity person uh or are you just a chill yeah I am I am uh let's go on Hikes yeah okay and my wife is so not okay

and it bothers me because I'd she could sit around the pool and just do jack [expletive] all day and I can only do so much back at it well she isn't it she would she likes to go like down she likes to explore just like that but I mean she gets drunk the night before it's her hangover is kind of thing game

it's take over the fun time I can wake I can drink till four wake up at eight work out and go freaking go get after it again she is not like that so have you always been like I don't even know what the right word would be always having to do something I mean I definitely enjoy doing nothing sometimes but thing just

depends on where I'm at like I can't wait to go home tonight and not do [expletive] sure um but yeah it's like I think the healthier I get the more I like work out like I'm in like this workout stage right now where I'm working out like every day except today because I was literally too hungry to do it um and uh

but yeah the workout stage it gets me like even more so like that more just can't sit still up at eight o'clock in the morning and like and being off the road too like be off the road for a month dude I'm up at eight I'm in bed in bed by 8 39 and then rest says maybe like 10 week tour though

I'd come home and crash for two days I wouldn't even be my normal self until three day three you know right because I'm just so sick of being around people and it's the bus is tight and also hungover and um yeah my wife taking a while soon adjusting to get used to that but uh I'm trying better to come home fresh on

Sunday as opposed to hungover on Sunday you said it's taking her some time to get used to which we met over copit oh so she's never she's never experienced me on the road I could have a job pretty much that I had I pretty much was living off the Family Trust pretty much you know like the family trust me and the money

coming I'm using it as analogy but just the money coming out of Music they're like yeah and I looked at her we were on I think you're in Mexico and I was like you do understand this is not reality right she said what do you mean I was like I have to work I just can't and she's like what do you mean

I was like I'm typically I'm on tour for like six months like we were on this last 10 week tour and we just had our first kid she was like but I was home every Sunday I flew home every Sunday and was and flew out every Wednesday you know but yeah she was a reality and I told her about it I wonder

about it thousands of times like this is not how it normally is it's normally a lot busy this is her first this is her first full year of it yeah I'm getting nervous just even talking about it like what was the big uh wait what was it like going through that first phase of touring when you like had a kid no my

wife's cool [expletive] oh okay yeah it was easy I just didn't think she was prepared to like she can't be alone so she just she got in the routine of the day out the morning I left she'd wake up she'd sleep in a little bit and she'd wake up and go either to my parents house or she go to her sister's house

she still owns a house her house in College Station so she can go stay there anytime she wants to so her sister has twins the same age as Benjamin which is awesome so yeah shoe dropped two hours there and the four days I've gone seemed to spend four days with her family or my family or her sister pretty much so like I'll

leave on Monday and then someone is just gonna go drop Bastrop so and spend time with her family so um it's been what she kind of figured out she could do that kind of stuff uh she's like really enjoyed it because she gets to spend a lot of time she kind of gets the best about the world she gets to be at

the family a lot but she also gets this distance from them too you know from being in a different town at them all the time which you know which I think one day will end up being I don't know if this should be my family or hers but that's uh where's your family Tyler oh okay yeah I can I don't know why

I never remember that you're from East Texas yeah because I think it's the Eastland thing Lubbock thing yeah whatever is it for Tyler you still got his hand in Eastland yeah I'm on Beef Company now yeah well I knew you had cows and stuff and yeah we're selling half some holes we've sold like 14 head so far so we're trying to get

to 30 I'm like the dream goal was 30 this year I just did I didn't think it was going to happen um but yeah we're loving it's been a lot of fun and um we just spotted akiashi bully their name for ten thousand dollars so we're trying to get our meat to Prime so from heartbrand I don't know where we bought it

from because I went down this Rabbit Hole two years ago so we bought it from a guy in Cross Plains I think it was cross planes and so my partner is Merritt Brooks you read rules for Texas Tech when he's kind of the cowboy of it all we used my property we'd use my open Cows uh that I had kind of started

out and uh we also got some lease property that we're shipping them off to but it's kind of all focused in on the bull that he brings in and then it's my cows it's kind of what we're doing you said you bought a akushic bull well he did but he's part of the Cocker so yeah we did yeah but you don't know

where he bought it for man I wasn't real sure exactly what to make of some of those because like the you know I'm I love the wagyu thing but I was I got a little bit confused when it started getting into the AKA ushi deal I don't really give a [expletive] about the wagyu at all I actually don't even like wagon beef

I really like Prime I really like choice I really like choice to be honest with you I mean yeah but you put those wagyu Bulls on you know any sort of knockout it'll be prom yeah 100 and that's the goal is right we want to get to Prime right and our beef is damn good I'm not talking it up like it really

is good it's you know we did a taste test with Nolan Ryan I got like 10 of my buddies we cooked six uh my Ribeyes and six knowing Ryan Ribeyes mine will be I'll beat everyone at every one of his just on a random taste test so I'm pretty confident in that but just getting that prom is just like you know building

your herd getting that getting that in would be awesome if we could offer prime beef but dude I've got no problem with Choice choices I'll personally I like Choice better hey and that makes any sense no what but what do you like in this bit depending on the cut or no so choices uh it's all marble and kind no yeah I know

but like why would you like choice just because like have you ever had wagy brisket before not a Brisk maybe like the First Slice of brisket is like the best slice of brisky you've ever had in your life but it's just too fatty the second one is you're like [expletive] this is Rich yeah and the third one you're like I don't want

any more on choice you can kind of heat you can eat a lot of it you know and like really you know it's down different I know okay I see what you're saying so prom kind of has like that beef ears yeah and prawn has and Prime kind of has that it's like a medium of both it's like sometimes like you ever

get a ribeye and you're just like God dang that thing was just too safe like I don't really like a prime rib eye because it's just too fat yeah see it's a choice for buys show it and soy sirloins are you know like yeah that's where it starts to get like yeah and then it can get a little tough right so yeah

it's like um well I got filet a profile yeah is like it can't be it's not like a choice full is bad but no first play is off there's still a free flet yeah that's always man you know what I've started just absolutely destroying is just pork chop like big old two inch like if you get a good pork chop Jess made

some the other night for dinner and a little two inch pork chops and they were like I think six bucks combined they're so cheap Sochi so a lot of people don't understand this about pork sauce but pork chop is the rib eye of the pig right yeah so a lot of people know this had a long talk with my buddy the other

day about this that he was very embarrassed he didn't realize this um the best way to cook pork chops in my opinion is says to Vive you know what is so really cook it in a bag yes it's the worst way to cook a steak in my opinion but it's the best way to cook a pork because they always get in like

the reverse you know the way because when I cook a steak I want it to be I want it to start out burnt get well the medium to medium rare to like a strip of brayer why like a rare but at the end of the day like I just want it seared right but you want to see the you want like when

you when you do that it's all the whole steak is one color oh I see what you're saying yeah it doesn't have that depth and they don't taste as good to me but with Pottery so beads are super cheap and I know some buddies that do briskets that way and um they'll still be at the bonus for three four hours and bring

up the temp and they swear by it but um but yeah should be a pork chop and pork chops are so cheap right now so you would sear it at what point you don't see it at all Sabine yeah well you just get to whatever temperature like a pork chop I think pork chop would be what internal temperature is like what whatever

once that's like medium worse like 150 would be medium probably so yeah I'd probably bring it up I would have to look up all the numbers but I'd bring up to like 20 10 to 15 15 to 20 degrees from my final cook temp yeah and I would be that you could throw the SCP and it will never get over that temperature

so you can leave in there for a day if you want to it'll never get out of that temperature I used to put on a bag and just freaking sear that sucker and I'll finish out those last 10 degrees on the sear and you're perfect and the port will stay the hardest thing the big pork chops is thread up they dry out

so it doesn't do that was really yeah that's what I need to do it's so cheap so cheap and you cook it just like with Montreal steak seasoning some A1 a grilled jalapeno and it's like it's really can fool yourself to thinking it's do you like spicy food yeah but I don't know does that not affect who is singing do you try

to steer clear of it like days you're singing no I mean I think the one thing that bothers me the most with singing would be very garlicky rich Italian food garlic yeah just Burpy garlic like do you know uh um oh my God I'm embarrassed I'm embarrassed I'm forgetting his name right now uh the Brooklyn kids from Stephenville um oh yeah he

makes his spaghetti and you have to go eat it oh my God I got a cigarette in one hand I'll sit there he tossed so embarrassed he'll toss the uh spaghetti with the other hand he's got cigarettes Uncle Bob yeah Uncle Bob's meatball I can't swim my uncle mom if you're listening I'm so sorry I just I could I'm drawing blank on

your name but I'm on no sleep right now so um Uncle Bob would always cook a spaghetti for about for bostock's mouth and his I just remember he was always so good but you just sing it and just be burping garlic the whole show and that's probably the worst thing I've ever eaten before a show hold another burp and still singing might

be one of the most difficult things yeah and like drinking beer and vodka Red Bulls and all that stuff is terrible it happens to me all the time then I shouldn't I shouldn't drink carbonation but I do but yeah I burp all the time the Brooklyn kid yeah Uncle Bob I've only met him one time but we wouldn't have speakers she's mad

at more than one time uh well maybe but just didn't pass yeah but we actually went over there you know yeah he's a good guy cigarette in one head except for the listeners out there Uncle Bob is uh the Brooklyn kid in the crosstand Ragweed song um uh the Brooklyn operating kit yeah so that's Uncle Bob it's songs about Uncle Bob where

we're like in the middle of all especially when you're tutoring hard like winner when do you ride and do you have specific times that you write are you kind of always doing it or no I'm not one of those muscle memory guys uh I mean the guys are right every day I like I haven't written in six months and uh I'm ready

to write now so I'm just kind of turning it on to Nashville on Monday and got my first right set up this week and yeah I'm like in writing mode right now okay like anyone you say you don't you're not you don't write like you flat out don't write anything I mean I will if I want to but I just don't I

don't play any rights or okay I'll write ideas down shirt no I don't like I don't like purposely go all right this six months I'm not touching a guitar it's just like I get in mode so like right now I'm in making a record mode so after I after writing a record mode and then after I write the record I'm in making

the record mode which I still need to be in writing the record but I've already written it right so then after I'll make the record mode I'm in promote the record Road mode and then after I promote the record I'm touring my ass off mode like let's get in the band like and then that's kind of My Cycles by the way all

the things that I touch kind of get on autopilot until I come back and polish them back up right so I just kind of constantly come back and polish it up what's crazy is I don't think most people understand every all those things that you just listed off being an independent artist just how much of that stuff like if you have a

label how much that stuff's not necessarily taken care of but a tremendous amount of Health but when you're independent and you've done it forever yeah like that is a shitload of stuff that you're responsible for that I imagine just being imagine just having walking in the songs written for you it's something they call you hey and he's in a studio four hours

next week we're gonna record a couple songs cool we have a band oh yeah the song's already recorded you just need to sing on them what songs are already written uh don't worry about that it's already great it's great it's not gonna be a hit just come and record that happens all the time and it happens all the time but yes and

until it's the risk you take it's like you know it's not the risk you take it's the it's the path you choose and for me if I was getting pitch songs and it's really easy to say when you're not doing it because everyone wishes they were Garth Brooks or you know or George Strait but I can honestly say if I was getting

pitch songs and singing them um I always find no joy in what I do I'm sure I could find some Joy but I would it would it would just be soulless I the best part for me is writing a song and seeing what it does or what it doesn't do you know seeing the Journey of a song seeing how a song that

you created affected someone having someone say like man that was on the verge of suicide and that song just freaking saved my life like or writing a song and someone cries about it you know like that's you created something out of nothing and it changed the world with all that and it's forever it's forever for as long as we're on this Earth

as long as Earth is in existence that song will be there yeah it's pretty [expletive] cool yeah and just sticking to your guns and doing things that inspire you and just doing high quality stuff at some point the cream Rises to the top and if it doesn't you know if I always say this too this my career ended tomorrow and uh in

fact her into tomorrow man I've had a fantastic ride my voice went out on this interview and I was done I'd be like man what a fun 50 I wouldn't I mean I would be sad but I wouldn't be like depressed I'd be like dude what a great run uh what a great career I've blessed with uh you know could have been

bigger yes could have could have been smaller yes you know like there's so many different variables but um but yeah I feel nothing but like you know like my head hits the pillow I think at night it's like it's I sleep fine have you have you always had the bug where you wanted to do something just a little bit different like musically

and artistically you strike me and that's what always well I always listen to Underground Music oh Define underground so guy Clarks underground I love it's underground Ron Bingham was underground I mean when we were listening to him we spent Wishbone Saloon I don't even think you can get that record it's not I think it's available anymore but yeah that was that was

our favorite recording freshman year of college and um I always decided Chris Knight you know she's Chris Knight fan no huge recording fan that's all Underground Music yeah let's see but that's I would scare like a huge Garth Brooks and sure never like I mean George Strait if people are gonna get mad I'm never been a huge or straight fan but actually

I'll listen to it all day long but I'm talking Chris Knight like obsessed about it I was like learning every song and like of course I love it like listening to George Strait but I know in like obsessed about it couldn't wait to go to something when I was in high school I caught I caught really going to a Chris Knight Concert

than a George Strait concert yeah but also you probably were like well once you figured out about him you were probably super into this big guy like Dean Dillon no also like that type of music you just didn't get that jazzed up about well I didn't even know about Dean Dylan until five or six years ago broker you know um and that

[expletive] that's not very much 10 years ago but it wasn't it wasn't like an I mean you're talking like the most influential time of your life when you are the craziest about meeting someone that's like high school and beginning College like well you think they're just they're they speak to you and you're so connected to them like that's the Pinnacle now I

don't even know if I could get that anymore you know what I mean like I get nervous talking to Bruce Robertson still just because I have so much respect for him I like Laura McKenna meant her out pretty nervous talking to her and I love her music I'm a fan but not that high school like I'm gonna [expletive] die if I see

this person like holy [expletive] you know I think I've just gotten so numb to it you know through uh where you probably start seeing behind the curtains a lot as well when it's like dude someone asked me who the best famous person that I know is and I was like it's [expletive] [expletive] McCallum which is crazy it's like It's gotta be and

it's just so crazy because he's just he was just a kid you know he was he was my biggest fan back then you know his dad was his dad came to all my shows and was just like and um and that's just like I think all that's kind of numbed it because it's I'm just such a part of the culture I guess

now and you know like I mean I still give and Bruce Rivers to text me I still get like nervous you know and um like I can't talk to Robert King I'm a super fan of broccoli I can't talk to him literally I can't talk to him like you just panic I just can't talk like a spawn ball yes sir I mean

I just Mumble I can't I can't talk I get pretty nervous first time I met you first couple times I was around you I was pretty nervous I'm pretty easy guy we're up to but then you got this like Robert Earl's just like let's it's just like that's I can't talk to Chris Knight I can't talk to Chris now I can't talk

to him or a girl I was neither known I would have never been able to talk to Guy Clark and I just can't wait down the conversation and I love it and those three will summons he's another one I couldn't talk I couldn't talk to him been I've been offered to uh to go to dinner with them with the Buddy Miles I

don't know with who with Wilson Ramsey oh for real yeah and you turned it down yeah I just don't want it I can't is there a part of you that is scared that they're not as not it's just like it's just it's not it's not a scare it's just it's like with Robert Earl it's just like I just it's just hard to

explain I just I don't know if it's that like childhood like you want to keep that fun heuristic kind of thing not they're so Legend you don't want to humanize them you know yeah like you want to keep like I don't know if it's that but like I just can't do it honestly like I just I get small smile talking about it

because it's like that's how big the figure they are to me like if I [expletive] like saw a girl okay in the garage store I would freak the [expletive] out I would [expletive] be like I wouldn't go out to me hey you have never met it oh I have okay yeah I've been forced to had people grab me by the arm and

say this and he's he like he says hi to me for sure like and we played a show with the men on this last tours and he uh walked up the bus and I walked out the bus part right next to his bus and his bass players good friend of mine um Phil went back home for bill went back sorry and uh

yeah I walked off the bus and he goes he said Billy Cole Billy Cole green and I was like hey how's it going he's smoking a cigarette and he's sitting like Indian style and I was like yeah and I was like does he not know my name or is he [expletive] like I was like that was so cool though like he almost

got my name right like out loud no I thought that was like a nickname no he was being cool he just got it wrong I don't know if he got it wrong or where he was like mess or he's messing with me or I have no clue but it was not right hey Billy Colby I don't remember what it was but it

was not William Clark green and I and I couldn't tell if he like knew he got it wrong or I was just like that what's up can't do it sat there the whole time and messed up pulled up a chair I've never done this to fans either never once I pull up a Terrace on stage and I bought a cooler 12 pack

of beer ice down and I [expletive] I got a can of stuff and I sat there and dip snapped in Drake Coors Light and listen to every song and every time that fan came up I thought I'm sorry I'm sorry this is my last time I'm gonna see him play yeah after he didn't have this matter he's done I'll do whatever you

want but I'm sorry and uh what was the reaction to that I didn't care well I was I'd be curious I didn't even know what direction yeah I was like hey I'm watching this after the show is a reality yeah so this last show ever when was that it's in uh Midland yeah I had buddies at the show and they wanted to

hang out and I was like nah I'm doing this now good for you yeah because you don't ever get he played all the classics too many five pound blab ass and you know I was so great yeah oh yeah dude but I find it interesting you're a big Chris and I got right now because I saw a quote by you that said

uh I'll probably yeah you because you were talking about your own music that you like to do something that's always different and unique and you don't ever want to like do the same thing twice basically but when you hear a Chris Knight record you want it to be a Chris Knight record right which I thought I don't want him to change what

he does I don't want him to get unique and [expletive] that struck me for sure because I'm the same yeah you know I wanna I wanna I wanna hear I wanna I don't want to hear Ryan bam to a [expletive] concept record I want to hear mescalita I know but that's frustrating I know right but as an artist it sucks oh man

it sucks because beans pigeonholed is the worst feeling ever especially as like someone who's a songwriter because the coolest part is doing something new and different you know just for new options and that's what keeps it Fred yeah and songs like ringing Road never would have existed and that's kind of how I think I think I've done a really good job I'm

not gonna say training but training your audience yeah that I'm it's just gonna they're ready for it I'm just gonna see let's see what the [expletive] happens but there's something special to that's what I've been like trying to do is you know it's like you're like my second album it's like okay well you can either do the exact same thing or this

is probably the moment that you could do something a little bit different I could be totally wrong on this too so I mean but you can do something a little bit different at the beginning like at least you're setting the tone it might not be the right business mood like now or at least you're set the tone for I'm gonna just pretty

much do what I wanna do and if you guys want to go off for the ride that's cool if not that's fine as well but I'm not going to do just the same thing over yeah over and over and you know there are guys that have gotten really successful with writing the same like I said earlier they were at the same song

the same themes same songs same just throw it against the wall they know exactly what they're doing they do that dance all day their song is not gonna do that too you know um and I just can't write those songs anymore like I said it's just it's for me it's all about the hunt and honestly it's like it's like the you know

I think as songwriters we all want to write the greatest song ever written which is impossible to say what the greatest fear in this right and I'll probably you probably have three that come to mind though I'm like the all-time songs no I couldn't even name you a top five there's not a single song that starts entering your brain now that you

would that someone would agree to um or just that you think I would say maybe The Dance by Garth Brooks that'd be a Garth Brooks song in there somewhere I can get down I feel like a woman he said that's like I mean bro how big was that song it's a straight bob I mean what did you go by did you go

by Lionel craft of the song or do you go by popularity like should not train record was bigger than the Beatles dude it was bigger than it wasn't it was I think it's the third most sold record of all time the God I mean it's just that's unbelievable and then the producer was freaking mutt leg I mean I think Harlem a lot

never leave harm a lot like that's that song is okay there are some Daryl Scott songs and I'm just like dude Dave oh my God you're not so good but can't I couldn't tell you the best song ever written like what would it be do you have any like what's the best okay give me the give me your top what are the

best movies we're gonna be three or five best movies ever made oh mine are gonna be bad but this was not your opinion uh what do you think the best movies ever made are oh yeah that's way up okay I'd say same power Ron this guy would be in there I don't know what they clap forska I don't know how they shot

using Redemption might be up there yeah you know more about movies than Isis but I don't know how they like classify I mean seven five rides one of the greatest movies of all time it's just the production is unbelievable um but yeah see that's easy but songs is just I couldn't do it I have no clue what the best song ever written

is yeah it is so elusive but that's what makes it so fun just like if it gives me goosebumps if it makes me feel something and it doesn't necessarily have to be the most weighty topic right exactly like and whatever the purpose it's serving yeah it's like uh someone asked me their day they're like [expletive] angry you to watch cows like Florida

Georgia Line and you know it becomes so success successful I was like why should that anger me like I don't choose not to listen to it and that's fine like and actually they have a song called Sundays probably guilty pleasure song of mine I think the Thrones [expletive] time I think it's fun I was like [expletive] you know but no I'm not

gonna then people find joy in it why would I take joy away from it because I'm bitter and I'm I don't like it I want to take it if people like it let it why it gives a [expletive] that's a free crap tree I'm not I'm not angry that someone made art and I don't like it like that's it's tarded yeah it's

a weird thing to go now it's a [expletive] people like oh some artists like oh I hate them they're destroying when you stopped like I never yeah Philip Haney who was the Tormentor Eli Young you know Elon young was getting some Flack when they were on the rise for having really modern pop kind of music and uh and he said this deal

is like you know all those 90 country songs you know where they are he goes they're still [expletive] there you can still listen to him no kidding we didn't steal them they're not lying gone forever yeah they're still there it's okay and like I always thought that was hilarious if you don't like it don't listen yeah it's not a big deal like

when I'm not gonna lie though when the radio comes on and I hear I hear something so stupid I'll hit my Dash the power button didn't [expletive] be like come on that was trash but I'm not like expending the end I'm not like wishing their vocal cords [expletive] and they quit making music they're making people happy do you think that a lot

of people that get that emotionally attached to it though I find that a lot of them are people that really aren't very creative themselves and they've never really done anything like that I think definitely people take I think music is a reflection of people's creativity I think um it seems to me this is gonna it seems to me the most intellectual people

like that I know and this does not mean people that are dumb listen to other types of music understand like that when Drew can't Drew Kenny's one of the smartest guys I know like but people who listen to his music are all these types of intellectual people okay it's like it's intellect music it's not uh I'm not saying that you've had to

I'm not saying just they're the under there's this underground scene of like kind of music I want to say music Styles but like this that's what it is it that is but I quality of music that there is more po that's more poetry like I think Drew Kitty's a poet so I really do I think his music the songwriting is very poetry

based and I think his clientele or his song his base really appreciates The Poetry aspect of the songs which is not your typical 28 year old kid you know see but I've always run into big problems with that because it suck in some ways the music snob thing starts to become a cop-out jet in they like against themselves that they're doing this

really high level songwriting and it's and it's like no people don't like it and it's not popular because it sucks it's like the guys I'm not I'm not saying that about it that's all right no I'm the guy said this is so funny thing about the guys in Nashville like the song matter of national it's like it's like uh it's like well

I'm a songwriter and you're like well you're a singer songwriter but yeah like while I'm a songwriter I live in National rat sauce I was like which ones well I mean it cuts it right but on the song I hear this singer we're here to help you write songs sure no I'd written the songs that are popular I'm the one that wrote

those songs I thought actual evidence two percent of the [expletive] music consumed on the planet exactly yeah and it's but they're so snobby about they're like well what well cool what songs did you write well I haven't you know I mean I haven't really got any country thing but I'm the I'm the like seniors come to me for help but they're like

yeah I'm definitely asking for help but it's also like let's it's like let's combine forces and try to write a great song that's not like I'm not you can't take care of things that I did by myself a lot does it negate the fact later I don't get respect as like a songwriter like my manager told that scene so weird to me

I know right like my manager told me he goes man did you he has a view if you lived in Nashville um and you didn't pursue the live music scene because you'd be known as one of the greatest best writers in town I'm like why would it be any different than now yeah people just want to put you in a box right

100 100 that's exactly why because they're not in that box it differentiates their box right and they get really protective and tribal a hundred percent and honestly there's a lot of jealousy that comes into it well and they can get jealous so they want to and uh I've written a lot of bad songs trust me yes I recorded some bad songs um

in a but yeah it's just that's always boggled my mind of like I don't understand why I'm not the one so that our scene's not celebrated because we have this tremendous amount the scene has tremendous amount of listeners we have tremendous amount of fan base and it's not respected at all against people who have no listeners and no fan base yep so

bizarre yep so bizarre and just like back to the independent thing what it takes to put all that together is just astounding to be able to ride it record it sing it produce it Market it brand it all of those things put together it is just it's a mountain and then it's odd that it's like you wouldn't be considered It's like because

you can do more than one thing you can't do one thing very good yeah well they the you know Nashville hates the um they hate the Spotify thing has destroyed it's it's sunglass I mean it's pulled its body armor out because the Nashville would pretty much they didn't own the radio stations but they were very High influence they could pretty much control

what people listen to and controls power right when any in any aspect so if you can control what's on catchy radio you can control who's famous and who's not pretty much you know and um and now they have no control yep you can go straight and more you know and Morgan Wallen and we Maureen wallen's a great example of someone that man

I'm really impressed for this songwriting on some stuff and that and some stuff I'm just like a little bit odd how I can go that fast like it's like some stuff I'm like dude like what a great song I know the next one's just I'm just like yeah God damn it what did you why are you doing yeah it's really bizarre but

a small thing it's more production in this song it's just a rapping I just get so and trap beats I hate it what's funny I hate trap beats on like hip-hop yeah like I just hate the way trap beats sound with that little hi-hat yeah it just it's just so in my in my opinion it's so [expletive] lame like the lamest thing

is a [expletive] cowboy redneck Cowboy trying to rap like to me that's just so lame it's just so lining it's like it's just so lame but not get I get that it's popular and my wife loves it right and so like I said some songs uh some songs I'll be like I mean damn that's good you kind of you kind of want

to be like is you hating one that's all he does when he has a second song I'm like [expletive] oh dude what he does cover me up is just I mean it's unbelievable I mean it's unbelievably good his vocals are incredible his great pianist player and like uh and I'll be in the kids sometimes I'm in the kitchen and something will come

on us I'll say [expletive] me I'm lost like what I was like Ugh this [expletive] song let's say next you know it's like I like that song well that's see that's the whole thing is she likes it when she saw that really matters yeah that's cool but for me I can't stand that [expletive] like it draws me in crazy and it's I'm

not on this like it's destroying country music no I think you crave music however you want I just [expletive] hate it sure listen to it sure so yeah because it's not like your music is like what's your tradition no I'm not out there trying to save country music um I uh it's not I'm I don't even considerably consider myself that I guess

I mean yeah I don't if I'm just you know I understand who I am I have always been a little bit curious about some of your stuff where you like on your records you'll have quite a bit of fiddle and stuff other folk rock kind of thing and definitely and then live it's not that yeah um I mean try to change that

right now a little bit more than full folk here stuff but it's for me it's I don't know as a songwriter it's just like well the way you the only way you amplify words is with Melody right so when Melody takes music right music amplifies to the whole point of simplified music so that's like you always hear the saying like well that

song was just over produced you know or that song was underproduced you know because you want to push a song in a direction where everything you do behind the lyrics amplifies it right and you can do too much or too little to take away from the song you can literally produce a record of the song in a way to where you doing

a disservice undone that a thousand times on my records I'll always feel like I've gone the wrong direction on some songs for sure I wish I wouldn't have done it I wish I'd done a different way you never feel right never felt right never felt right on the record still doesn't feel right just still a great song but just I really I

really just took everything away the Avenue away from that song and um and that's the that's the that's the that's the key is for me is that's why there's no genre because it's like the song doesn't have to have still fiddle mobile it's like no let's try to amplify the lyrics as much as possible whoever the [expletive] we can use yeah that's

what I did that is the way your stuff has always hit me that's why I've always was a fan and then your recent stuff too where it doesn't it's just really unique and it doesn't follow a lot of the trends of what's popular like right now but it also it's not popular [Laughter] right but I wouldn't even say it's not popular I

mean I guess it depends on your definition well I mean yeah just you're definitely like shirt is not like playing a freaking Arena but Parkers you know Parkers original as [expletive] nobody sounds like him no one's riding like him right his songs are good they're catchy they're fun they're you want to sing them kojo dude kojo is badass he's [expletive] great yeah

like how awesome is that the two you know and Co is just a [expletive] crazy wild what a crazy party just nutsoid thing that's just awesome yeah that's a hard one to put your thumb on well I mean what is it's just K it's chaos it's chaos but it's rock it's not country at all it's rock and they has a rock show

and it's and he is a [expletive] rock star uh the one on your new album it's the first song food does it feel alive with that I mean that's what my favorite songs ever written for real wow because that one like really hit me and that for sure has that full grok that is to me lyrically that was like man I just

that's so out of my side of my wheelhouse and vocal range and everything it was tough to sing and tough to write and yeah that song was a stretch for me that's I love that I was not expecting you to go all the way up at the beginning of this song that's all I've said that song yeah well that's cool that makes

sense that um and they're like on that whole record uh it's like lyrically it was just cool man because you could pull like the melody is doing a lot of stuff in the production is like super fascinating but then if you were to just read those lyrics on a sheet of paper like they're pretty weighty oh thanks I mean it's covered record

for me so there are some songs that there's probably two songs written on that record before covet and then I wrote that whole record in the like six months probably really most of it yeah um yeah because I just held up I left my house and wrote the damn thing um but that was pretty much the whole attitude that record was especially

Phil I feel alive is about covet that's what the song's about it's about don't [expletive] tell me what I can and can't do sure I'm [expletive] hitting the road and going playing shows I'm gonna [expletive] what you said that's pretty much the songs about which is however irresponsible it is well you know we'll all know in 20 years when we you know

the Kool-Aid is on the outer mark on our drinks so um but yeah it's like after sitting at home for I'm not actually that was I said I was sitting down for a year and a half it wasn't covered I took the I did not touch right for a year in 2020. well I didn't write that record so I was 20 21

and a half and I read that song so I was really over it and that's a I was like it's time to go back to work guys like we can't [expletive] sit around wait on this [expletive] yeah like how much longer are we gonna wait like we can't wait anymore it's a year and a half in and we've done our part move

on you know so if you're starting you're just like starting the process of writing for the next record now um yes so this Monday yeah I'm not reading the song since the last year and then so you would probably try to record not cheating for June July yeah I mean it's assuming I could write some a record in six months which is

something that'd be task that I'm gonna go to like I'm like I said I'm all in them all in so you know I bet my first Nashville trip goes not good I've been my second guess pretty good and then I get a key at least a keeper off my second but I'm gonna go almost two or three times a month yeah until

we get it done but you'll be touring pretty much that whole time well yeah I never do something he does that's why I took Monday took January February off October bust Mass all year if I'm Gonna Take January February just soon yeah well right on dude well I'll probably try to hop on a show with you at some point yeah please do

see out there but I appreciate you doing this thing and like I said man that freaking last record I was jamming it well thank you I really thank you well likewise I mean you know I think that thing would that's the only reason I was telling you that is just fishing for well I think I think it has a lot to do

with Josh Dorado Studio I would agree and I think the tones that he is getting is just to warmth and this but it just feels it just sounds better than everything else your record sounds fantastic and it really it really does um but you're in due for a new record aren't you yeah I'm working a lot of stuff okay yeah because yours

was done way before I was starting on my throat yep yeah I'm a tanker though see I drive Josh nuts yeah well I did too I drive most people nuts yeah I drive you out I drove Josh Notes too but he pissed me off Josh is like we got to a level we were just we were so brothers that you know yeah

it was just and we knew exactly what to do and when to do it I know that but uh Josh has always been a sweetheart though he's a great employee I enjoyed it and he gave us a great record and um and you know we say goodbye I was like you know this isn't the last time we're gonna work together but we'll

work together again in the future hopefully you know maybe more old and gray but totally yeah totally I know he's I mean he's little dude I like co-wet soul might be that this is he the biggest rock star right now sometimes I wonder yes you think he's bigger than the food Fighters but I'd like maybe not in like South American stuff like

that but like yeah I think in the international market that's where it starts to change yeah but dude what do I freak I don't know all right he sees it's huge I reach most all these guys seem and I dude I just think it's so freaking cool to be Indie artists from Texas that can have that type of success spotifys it's just

so amazing it spot relay is incredible and it drives people crazy it drives the wreck well Rick well it has a record label and so does kojo and I think Parker signed as well but they have to join they have to they have to find they have to pick these guys up because they have to they need to make money off it

because they watch them go by watching these guys do individually like Cody Jinks actually Cody Jinks whatever no I'm not 100 it's just it's interesting that in our Market it's all about like in the Texas deal it's all about being independent and making it happen and then finally when some guys do that and they hit this level of it's insane and then

all this used to be that way I know but then it's guys where you're like dunk I mean Randy and Abbott were huge too yeah but the level that these kid these guys are getting two I don't know if it's just the platform has changed but Randy and Wade when Randy Abbott Ragweed I mean they were huge they are I mean Randy

and they're still obviously still Legends but they're their day in the sun was like I mean it was epic proportion but there was there was nowhere to grow it exactly so they found what code just started doing well he started playing the creek four times in a row well she was like let's go do it at the Coliseum and his big risk

and he just started doing the Coliseum well it started working and Sam was like and Parker was like well [expletive] coach I was doing it let's do that's fine once we sell out here he's once let's go to let's go to uh Wolf Pen Creek and it started working and I think the older guys didn't realize that they were what they were

doing but when you when you play a place and you sell it out 10 15 times a row you're kind of snuffing the fire out you know what I mean you're not letting it breathe and build more flames and Embers because now you're packing their restartings and everyone is like God damn you gotta do this I want to go see him but

[expletive] it's gonna be a train wreck in there and now you got you got room and then all the people with hacks yeah money start showing up who want to more drinks more room more all that stuff and I think I think I think a lot of the older guys were snuffing out their Flames a little bit because they would just sell

them anyway out like 10 tons and that's interesting and that could be completely wrong I mean what do I know I don't know but that's just kind of my thought I think at least add that to the internet I think Abbott would agree with me Abbott always said it I don't understand why we didn't do what kojo Parker and coat are doing

now like why we did not fall that game plan hitter is how growing it to the I just think that they were I don't know if it's because they didn't believe in ourselves enough like that or if it was just like dude that's like outside that's like the big boys do that or no still didn't and someone finally was like what I

like kojo was like well I'm big boy let's freaking do that you know but it took the guys coming before it's even because this goes all the way back to like 70s eight hundred percent I mean Ray Wally and Robert Earl back in the day and Ray Wiley especially got Clark I mean those are their OG's of Texas Music you know so

it just takes that long to like kick down the doors and yeah finally I made a Pat Green was getting played on like free radio stations in Texas when and that was in 2002 dude think about that no one was playing his music and he was playing the [expletive] Houston Rodeo didn't know think about that there was like two stations playing his

song one single it's like what and now there's 70 reporting Texas stations and yeah think about how much pet trailblazed yep I mean that's pretty freaking cool yeah I think it's great and so that's so my point is it's weird to see these guys do so well then there ends up being that little crowd swell if people are that are like they

don't like well no it's all it's only good the more like I saw everyone and watch it dude I'm telling you watching Parker and Co passed us by it's a very tough Phyllis wall especially when it first starts happening because you're like ah there they're gonna put them ahead of us on the spill you know you're like you're like I never counted

pop around and then once you realize it you're like [expletive] like you go to a show and you're like holy [expletive] these people are going [expletive] nuts of these like they want nuts and um but what I tell guys to get bitter about it and it's and it's a it's a it's a it's a human reaction that's normal you know to have

like this like you know and um but when I tell everyone it's like dude the more eyes we have on this scene the better it is for all of us and it's like we're all in this pull together the more attention we can draw to our scene the less power that Nashville will have over us because they've had power over us three

years and it that if they sit there and say they haven't done anything to deflect this it's [expletive] [expletive] I know it and everyone else knows it so um that's my story so hell yeah dude that's a good place to end it probably yeah so where's uh so do you start playing in March hey I do acoustic tour March and uh and

then we hit up full back I got one full batch of the 25th of February I think it's 25th in Houston and we head up acoustic and more to the don't act so excited everywhere well I wanted to sleep bad I'm sorry I tried to offer you red hole Yeah I wanted to go for that low-grade caffeine yeah I'm gonna get uh

some Taco Bell on the way home and I'm gonna crash out hey kid and thanks for doing it man I did just see you Jared glad you're doing this it's cool hell yeah [Music] [Music] [Music] foreign