Mike Ryan

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[Music] purple in the canyon that's where yeah but I'm I think that there's something uh rain that's it rain the energy drink yeah white gummy bear rain is a little favorite of mine so they all have to be like candy oriented though I mean that's a Jolly Rancher well I can't I'm learning new things about myself all the time that's what podcasts

are about so yeah uh I guess I do gravitate towards the candy flors uh you are you a big candy person man unfortunately no uh well maybe that's not unfortunate but uh well the unfortunate part about it is now from now on my nickname for you is big candy big candy that's actually a pretty good nickname I mean it's not bad except

I can't I don't do the candy I don't I love you don't even eat it that's even better why do you call it big candy well he freak he hat got this zero sugar personality these days he's just got the most Bland personality no man I just uh I love candy but I just can't eat it's bad for you know the bees

will creep in the what the diabetes oh the bees the bees is no good no um not I mean I don't have it but I don't want it so uh I won't I won't give it to you but it's all good man I uh I sneak some every once in a while and with Halloween just being here and coming and going uh

my kids cleaned up like a whole pillow case full of candy they did they not get sick well so Sarah actually as soon as they got back cuz they had like three different four different costume theme parties they had to go to and of course they got candy at all of them trick-or-treating right um so they came home with it and she

hid it somewhere from me too which is great like I saw it like the mother load and I was like oh my God this is so much candy and then I never saw it again and the kids I they get like you know maybe two or three little pieces of candy uh if they insist or they're lucky well I would imagine you're

in a pretty good neighborhood oh yeah it's there's a lot there's a ton of other kids too uh that have uh I mean it's a good neighborhood for trick-or-treating you know growing up uh we had feel like we lived in a neighborhood that just had a ton of old people and we'd go knocking on doors and they'd be like do you want

an apple or something oh they weren't into it they give us a can of corn or something yeah I handed out constitutions one time really little miniature constitutions that's when I was in college I thought it was really funny I was going to educate the youth on uh American history hell yeah they didn't think it was nearly as fun well you know

I guess when they're looking for looking for sugar and you show up with that yeah I said the only reason you have the freedom to come and get this candy it's right here in this little pamphlet yeah you know but that was my uh that was my uh Facebooking days yeah you know where I'd post how I really felt about things on

Facebook Okay share some political posts you keep knocking on my door and I'm gonna show you that second amendment all don't you live in granberry I do yeah are you like are you near the lake I'm not right Waterfront but then neighborhood that I live in is it's got a little Marina in it um so I'm close and um we got a

boat a couple years ago which has been super handy because my experience with boats before it's like it's a whole day of getting it out of storage getting it cleaned up and there's always a flat tire on the trailer something uh but we've actually been able to use it because we put it in a slip there in the marina so it's been

super handy uh which reminds me it's about time to winterize it's always a bummer kid but yeah once you start seeing those temps down in the double well in the like the 20s 30s in the forecast you got to start thinking about that otherwise it gets expensive to yeah so y'all go a bunch during the summer oh yeah try to yeah did

you have a surfboat or something yeah it's a Malibu yeah buddy yeah dude so I'm not great on the surfboard I just like to drive um but my kids are this year was the first time that they actually like attempted to get up on the surfboard Sarah is great with it really yeah she's nice with it uh but yeah they got up

a little bit this summer and uh and the older they get the more interested they become and Sarah's like always been into that she used to wakeboard a lot too so oh really where's she from new Bron Falls oh yeah brazes well I guess cranberry is on the brazes too wait no the brazas doesn't go through new Bron Guadalupe down there yeah

there's komal and Guadalupe can you do anything like that on the Guadalupe oh yeah really yeah there's a couple um so uh there's a couple of smaller Lakes there's of course um uh Canyon Lake which it's low right now but um you can surf on that one and then there's also a lake it's called Lake Placid and then uh oh I can't

think of it right now but it's interesting like the lake the whole entire lake is only like 8 ft deep so it's weird cuz it looks like a wide body of water but you're riding around on your boat and there's almost points where it's like you're just ripping around on a wakeboard or whatever and you're only in like six seven feet of

water so it's just always been weird to me it's like when I learned how to do it we're in 50 ft of water so I just feel like I mean damn you got a stump on the ground or something you just run that prop or whatever it just it always when you fall I mean you just die yeah it's just always creeped

me out uh being moving fast on a boat and you know relatively shallow water yeah I think that's a normal fear um I think it's weirder if somebody doesn't fear it well yeah I mean but there was all this waterfront property and they got these you know big houses it was wild though a couple years ago maybe more than a couple years

ago now but one of the dams broke and drained one of those lakes and like the city decided they weren't going to fix the dam and so there's all these like waterfront properties that are now sitting in front of a dry lake it's wild cuz it yeah they just all that water took off we had a bad flood and it overwhelmed one

of the dams and broke it and uh yeah the city was like no we're not going to fix that I would imagine prettyy fancy houses too oh yeah there's bunch of people that are not there's no recourse for that is it I mean unless they just want to band together and pay for it themselves or private get it privately funded but who

knows how much that cost imagine what bad luck I know dude it's crazy holy cow but that the dam or the levy or whatever it was like 100 well maybe not that old but like way old like 50 plus years old and so it when finally gave way uh I don't know why but if it was just too expensive or they felt

like they didn't want to mess with it but yeah just people that were living there just kind of out of luck are you from down there or where are you originally from San Antonio oh yeah that's where I grew up and then uh 2004 came up to Denton went to un and uh from there I've just kind of been around the north

Texas area did you go to music school or no you just went to hang I took a few classes I found out pretty quick they wanted to teach me more than I cared to learn so um it was cool though I mean I met some band members early on from there and I wasn't a jazz musician so uh I just didn't uh

have that I mean I taught myself how to play guitar and I really had a interest in music but the theory of it just really didn't compute with me it was just more of like hearing and learning how to do it um just by kind of figuring it out versus like I've never really been good at reading music from paper yeah um

I think people would be surprised how good of a guitar player you are well it comes and goes see I think I'm better than I am sometimes when I go to rip into a solo of like yeah no I get it you might not be like technically the most proficient guy but you would you would surprise you surprise me I remember seeing

you at a sound check at one point and I don't remember where it was but I was with one of my other buddies this was years ago but I remember you playing Good Love Good Love Is On The Way oh man and a little John marune and I that's when I was a fan I was like hell yeah dude uh I he

John mayor's definitely an early inspiration for me uh when I started playing guitar um that's funny that's like the most surprising one whenever cuz same for me I think if you grew up in the early 2000s playing the guitar and trying to write songs and singing If you're weird if you weren't into John Mar oh yeah and but that whenever I tell

people that it always surprises them you know they want to be like well who's a huge influence I've just noticed a lot of us shy away from the mayor reference and then when we finally say it people are like really John Mayor and I'm like well yeah I mean come on yeah he's great man he was great just absolute beast and of

course like in the uh growing up like kind of when I did that was when you know the internet first came around and then in college you know you had Facebook and Myspace and all this stuff and then there's just the uh the quick exposure that you had I feel like you found out a lot and put a name to a face

with the music and stuff uh he was like the initial kind of guy with the internet I mean I that was like right at the beginning of really being able to like yeah cuz I think he did like free downloads and stuff of some of his music and mhm that was pretty new yeah to do yeah man it was definitely uh an

interesting thing and when I was first starting to play guitar that was kind of what I did i'd hear a song on the radio or something and I'd try and figure it out to as best as I could before the song was over on the radio and then I'd go to the internet and they was this country tabs website that I would

I would just look up and they had lyrics and chords and stuff so I would figure it out from there and um yeah I mean I played a very bastardized version of many of the songs that I learned how to play cuz you know those weren't guaranteed to be right they was just like here's what I think it is and some anybody

from any place could just type up the lyrics and submit it to the website and then it's up live so I learned how to play plenty of songs the wrong way doing that yeah what do you think the process was for you going from sort of emulating people that you wanted to sound like wanted to be like maybe and then that transitional

phase of then like you probably don't consciously realize it when once it happens but that phase of turning into like actually who you are as an artist the way you sing the way you play um that's all like really Elusive and I feel like at a moment I've always had people tell me that like you just need to find your voice like

your thing MH and that's just almost an impossible thing to chase I think just by doing it long enough and doing it enough you just kind of happens yeah what was that process like for you or did you just start playing and you kind of had your own thing and it was unique and man you know early on I felt like I

spent a lot of time thinking about what wanted my voice to sound like and what I what direction I wanted to take but at the same time was kind of confused because my taste and my um my uh preferred music was kind of all over the place and I liked so many different things um I mean country was where I first started

to kind of relate I feel like with music from a lyrical standpoint and certainly once I started writing country was the natural vein for me to go in but I mean growing up I listen to all kinds of stuff like classic rock um Yacht Rock if you will like easy listening kind of soft rock from the day but then my mom was

a big James Taylor fan uh Billy Joel uh was frequently on the record player at the house Eagles of course Elton John's TV Wonder but then like I also grew up like my dad was in offro Broadway musicals and so like that whole uh Phantom of the Opera type of thing Annie Get Your Gun Fiddler on the Roof like watching theater was

also a really normal thing for us to do we had season tickets to The Majestic Theater in San Antonio so there would be eight to 10 shows we'd go to every year um and that was just it was really interesting I love that um but also it was just you know kind of muddied the water as far as what I like my

sound and so I never really knew how to really track any of that down I just started playing you know I'd learn a new song and it would be a lot of uh early on classic rock type stuff things that I could figure out how to play and sing to um but then once I started writing it was just like country started

to kind of reveal itself as to my uh most comfortable Medium as far as uh telling stories you know and what I felt like I could come up with melodically yeah lint itself to country songs um and then co-writing only open doors and that same kind of thing as when I first started writing with other people uh it became apparent quickly that

this was a real really handy tool to have and ability to have like you don't just get stuck on something yourself you can bring in your buddies after you break down this uncomfortable barrier of talking about anything and everything sometimes deeply emotional things when you're writing songs once you pass that you can talk to your buddies that you're writing with about anything

it just it becomes a lot more fun and creative of a process when you're when you're writing for me anyways I enjoy excuse me I enjoyed songwriting co-writing uh excuse me I enjoyed songwriting a lot more once I started co-writing interesting it just for years I did it by myself and I wrote some cool songs but I just felt like it was

uh often more productive when I was able to bounce ideas off of you know a trusted resource yeah so uh do you think it was like a confidence thing or was it just an enjoyability thing I mean definitely both because and for me like when I would do things by myself it would really take a lot of effort for me to start

and finish a song it would it seemed like it was if I got stuck it was just a lot harder for me to push through when I was by myself I would just you know let's go play golf or go take a walk or whatever let's find anything else to do um cuz I'm stuck and let's find anything else to do yeah

but when you're with your buddies you know you're you've got a common goal and then it's like you know let's work a little harder cuz we're all here together and let's we're I feel like we're on to something and there's just that little bit of added push that has created a lot more songs that have otherwise or would have otherwise just been

stuck in a notebook somewhere and never finished yeah you know yeah I it's interesting showing somebody an idea when I'm by myself I could even get like pretty well done with a song and feel really good about it listen back to it be like dude this is freaking good and in when I show somebody it and I start playing it for him

I will almost even if I'm playing the recording of it or I'm actually performing it for him within like two or three seconds they don't even have to say anything they don't have to do anything it's not even like their posture changes I will almost when I'm showing it to them I will almost like be like ah yeah this isn't this isn't

that good and they're like what do you mean I barely listen to it and you're like no I just I don't it's weird it's almost like once you present it to somebody you yourself almost look at it more objectively yeah just by showing it to someone MH and I'll just shut it I'm just like this is terrible this is not good they're

like I actually kind of like second thought this was a terrible idea let's stop this and uh and I haven't been able to pinpoint exactly what that is like psychologically for I wonder I don't know if everybody's like that I think that's part of what Cod writing is you're also like anything any suggestion that you make and say you're already you're probably

more apprehensive just because you have you're saying it to somebody else yeah so you're already filtering it and editing it a little bit which can become debilitating at times yeah but I mean I've just there's been so many times when I have an idea it's just not fully refined yet and I'll be like man what I'm trying to say and this probably

isn't the right way to say it but then you say what you're thinking and then like they kind of understand but then it just gets filtered a little bit and when they repeat it back or when they think about it now you can clean that idea up just a little bit more and sometimes that's all you need like you had the right

kind of thought but it took somebody else to yeah to twist it to make it sit just right you know in the lyrics where it needed to so who was some of the first people that you really started co-writing with um so in 2013 I started writing with seill uh which is a I got a publishing deal um with seill out of

Nashville um Chris dub Frank Rogers and Brad Paisley were the uh kind of the three-way partners of that deal and Chris was the one that signed me and was one of the first people that I wrote with and one of the people that I wrote with the most um so Chris du and then also Brent Anderson um who I've written probably half

of my songs with Brent um and was that just by way were you going out to Nashville and doing like writers rounds and showcases or something yeah so from 2013 to uh about 201 18 19 until right before uh 2020 I was up there every month for typically a week I would show in like I'd play shows on the weekend um and

then uh Sunday I'd fly up and then I'd write Monday through Thursday or Friday and then fly back home play some more shows and then yeah um you know do it again next month yeah you were grinding so yeah I mean and it was definitely something you know now that I've got uh two young kids that's it's hard to maintain that sort

of pace along with our touring schedule but um I still get out there I don't write for seagale anymore but I still am close with several of the writers there and um matter of fact Brent and I are uh We've started the recording process for our next my next record which don't have a release date yet but we're four or five songs

into it and hopefully by the end of the year we'll have finished it up and um yeah so I'm excited about that it's we I wrote a couple more for it just like maybe two weeks ago when I was out there I'm going back next week to record and hopefully write some more so uh new music is imminent but it's not done

so it'll be uh be coming soon though is it in stylistically in the same vein as stuff that you've done before yeah it's I mean there's definitely some uh familiar elements to it um but we're recording a different way this time which I'm really kind of excited about cuz it's allowed me to just be a lot more Hands-On with it uh traditionally

I've gone out there and we've booked a studio and a session band and we have you know two or three concentrated Studio days where we're in the studio with the band and really trying to get them as familiar as we can and explain as quickly and efficiently as we can how we want things played because the window is just kind of small

we've only got a few days to record everything while the band is here of course you can go back and overdub and things like that later but it just it starts to get pretty expensive when you're using a studio and renting space and paying for these guys and so this time um Brent has a studio at his house and he's got great

gear here and he's like a wizard with anything with strings so he can play every kind of guitar and slide and stuff and we're recording most of it ourselves we'll end up going back when it's done and overdubbing live drums uh and then adding some fiddle and maybe some other things but from the recording standpoint um him and I are kind of

back and forth on the harmonies and some of the I'm playing some of the guitar but he's doing a lot of the music uh himself he's just playing it there in the studio and pass after pass playing the different instruments but you're able to sort of Tinker with him a little bit though on just different sounds and ideas yeah so whereas in

the studio with the regular band or session band you know we can get through four or five songs in a in a 4-Hour block but with this process we're it's taken us we're getting one song a day maybe one song a day but they're probably really unique but it's also we're taking the time cuz you know sometimes after a day or two

you're like man I wish we would have played it just a little different or if this part was like that but when the guys are already gone you can't go back unless you want to hire him again to come back for you know a full day at the studio you can't do that and so um it's just really cool to be able

to kind of take our time and map these songs out and spend the time while you know the whole day we're playing it over and over and just be a lot more meticulous about the parts going in and if something's not sitting right we change it yeah no problem and do you enjoy that more I do I really do man and you

know starting early on in the studio from my first couple of Records I just found the studio environment to be very stressful because everything's under a microscope it's very expensive you've got a concentrated amount of time and you just got to get it done or live with cuz these things once they're recorded and once it's done like yeah it's out and it's

done you can't change it and it's for life and so when you're doing that for the first time and like I didn't really know what the hell I was doing and so I was also nervous about well am I putting am I putting this in the right hands do have I found the right guys to put this together am I doing I

made the right decision whatever there's just a lot of unsure thoughts about the whole thing um and recording with other people once I got to Nashville in those Studios it was much different than doing that same thing in Texas but um less stressful because I just felt like I was dealing with much more professional atmosphere and people that are doing it every

day and have been doing it like this for years um but it's still wasn't like I'd wake up on a studio day like I can't wait to get in here and create I'm still just like man I hope we get it get what we need and hope we can polish this y as best as we can and then like did you have

some anxiety about I mean I guess that's basically what you're saying some anxiety about like I hope this I hope they end up doing what I hear in my head yeah but when you just only have hour and a half to track a song two hours to track a song it's like they're it's probably you're not going to be sitting there like

really tinkering with you know the freaking you know the slide part and the sound of the I just I do think there's some really great songs that sort of get you know it's sort of ruined in a way like CU they just don't get unpacked in the way that they were supposed to and the Nashville model of recording is incredible because the

players are so good and they can get an incredible sounding song and an incredible arrangement in like under an hour and it sounds great it really does but that sometimes comes at the expense of like being unique and original and it starts to just sound like everything else I mean that's how you can get it done so fast yeah and but like

a lot of the iconic songs that we always keep going back to like it's all these Tunes from like the 70s and the 80s and the 90s like there I mean granted there's a region their recording budgets were like millions of dollars yeah so you've got that I get it but also they spent a tremendous amount of time playing through the songs

developing sounds finding cool little band moments and I don't hear that as much anymore and so I'm kind of in the same boat with the way I want to record because the recording studio is always really intimidating to me too because I'm not the best player yeah but I knew I had cool ideas but it was just going to take me a

second to like work through them yep but when you've got this freaking guy who's like an absolute Savant sitting there you know it's easy to be like all you do it just goad exactly but then sometimes as an artist that takes out the you know the uniqueness of it in a way yeah and there's definitely been more times that I've been absolutely

floored and the product and the end came out way better than I would have ever thought yeah it's like well I'm glad that you played this cuz I could sit here for weeks and never do this on my own um but you know it's just it's really cool uh and I really just am looking forward to this process more so than others

before cuz Brent has produced me uh he's produced a couple of my albums in the past we've written a ton together um but this way of doing it I just know he's of I can trust him for sure uh he knows what kind of sounds that I'm going for um and uh in a as far as producers Go I mean there's plenty

of them that'll take your money and they'll put you in a studio and get you a good quality sound record but I mean I was just I wasn't just trying to put out another record cuz it's time and we need one I was like man I really I really want to put out like I feel like right now is just a not

that I'm at a Crossroads in my career but I just I feel like there's a incentive for me to put out my best stuff every time that I do it and I just don't want to go in there and take a chance with somebody that I don't know that's going to produce my record the way that they might want to I just

I really am excited about this one because I feel like him and I have created really cool stuff in the past and uh the way that we're able to do it this time is just going of it lends itself to uh to being able to putting out something that's just potentially the best that I've put out yet because we're we know we

have a common goal in mind and we have the ability to just do it and spend the time with it to make it sound exactly like we want to so that was kind of rambling but uh that's the whole point it's uh I'm just confident and I'm really uh relieved once we started recording this way um and now that I've seen how

like just in the limited time that I've spent so far on this record it's uh exciting to me uh to see what it's going to end up being because I'm just I'm excited about this process whereas in years past I've just been like a little bit apprehensive um so just it's cool man I'm pumped about it I'm excited to because I've never

really I mean I've known you like for you know a few years and stuff but never really gotten to like I guess you've always been kind of interesting to me just cuz I knew how good of a player and singer you were and I'm like somebody doesn't get that good without being like super into music you know like there's some guys that

like have successful careers and stuff and they might be they might be good but they're totally kind of uninterested in the creative process I've discovered that lately which just was like mind shattering to me I just couldn't even wrap my head around it they like the performance element of it yep uh so I was always kind of curious about you cuz I

you always struck me as somebody that like enjoyed the performance but I just always felt like there was something beneath it where it's like you really enjoyed the creative process so like that's cool to hear CU it's actually more Uncommon than I realized man you know I there's definitely been times when it scared the [expletive] out of me um but you know

you grow and as a as an artist I feel like I've just tried to put my best foot forward every time and with this process of recording um I'm just I'm encouraged even more uh about this particular album I who knows where it's going to sit as far as my you know best work is concerned uh but this as for this early

on in the process I mean I'm as confident as I've ever been in anything have you have you ever had a record deal no you never gone that route no I mean I know you've had opportunities yeah we've I've certainly had some conversations um never was given any kind of formal offers we've just been kind of corded by a few uh a

few labels but the you know that didn't necessarily present itself in the form of a deal but I'm not against or opposed to uh to having more of those conversations but you don't really like have to have one like in your shoes I mean it's an interesting time you know the way that uh you're able to um kind of expose things are

exposed massive amounts of people to music these days with the streaming and internet and stuff I mean it can also be easy to get lost in the Clutter cuz there's shitload of it out there dude there's a lot um certainly uh pays to have a good strategy uh but um yeah man I haven't had haven't had any label help yet yeah I

was talking to a guy at a really big label and he hasn't been there all that long and he was on the publishing side of stuff and I think he's produced some records and like with some Texas country type guys and we were just chitchatting and uh he was tell even telling me he said you know it's a little awkward now for

me to tell you this because I'm like on the label side but like I spent my whole career telling artists they didn't need a label and screw the label and then now I'm like at a label trying to get artists to sign he's like it's a little awkward but he still kind of believes that's somewhat true I think it's just different for

everybody I've seen a lot of guys have so much success on their own and some have huge success with the label uh the Texas model is a little bit different you know cuz like even like a guy like you and go and sign in a label it's like watching you know um you know Parker Cody and all those guys like going go

and sign label deals it's not the same as uh being new to Nashville and getting a record deal like those are completely different like when you're like rolling in buses you know to go sign a record deal is different yeah way different and I think that's the way to do but we're in like a really unique spot out in Texas and stuff

where there's actually a uh like an infrastructure to be able to create something real on your own that's which really doesn't exist anywhere else in the country yeah it's a really interesting uh scene that we have down here um and it's kept me busy for a long time I've kind of since I did the publishing deal or since I had that I've

always gone out to Nashville and I've always had people that work with me out that live out in Nashville and so I've kind of played both sides a little bit um but yeah man I'm certainly grateful to have the uh the home base and The Roots and uh just the spirit for music that folks have down here uh it's a really cool

thing to be able to run around and play keep myself busy with um but yeah dude it's uh I mean if I wasn't if I wasn't playing music I don't know what else I'd be doing but uh it seems like I've stumbled on something that at least I enjoy very much and I'm half ass good at you know yeah you're very good

at it uh so I'd be shoe horses for sure I mean I still kind of do but different phase yeah I'm not quite there yet you know what would you be doing man I don't know dude I've I love to cook uh so I don't know that I'd want to own a restaurant by any means uh or be a chef cuz that's

a that's a lot of stress to you know different kind of stress but um I don't know if the stakes were not so high I feel like I would love to be a chef I just like to cook with for people if I didn't have to like make a restaurant survive and worry about that whole business I'd just like to I'd like

to do that I recently got into cooking a little bit more probably last year or so did you more so like uh I cook a lot of fish just pans pan searing stuff I'm like obsessed with it oh it's great you a stainless guy yeah oh dude yeah the art of cooking with stainless pans it's great I was frustrated when I was

a kid because I just didn't know the proper way but as long as you heat it up you got to bring that pan to temperature first and then it you don't it's essentially non-stick if you use the right you know kind of oil and stuff but yeah I got under the avocado oil thing it's got a high smoke point but I just

discovered the other day that there's some oil I can't remember what it's called but it's like the highest smoke point oil in the world but it's like some sort of algae type oil I don't know I haven't used it I know I need to figure it out and I'll text it to you cuz like I want to sear my steaks in it

or something okay just like you can apparently get it like it like will not smoke really the only other one that I've seen is like avocado oil that get you can get that pretty freaking hot yep then the olive o oil burns a little bit if you get it too hot yeah I mean I usually I usually go olive oil if not

I'll I uh every once in a while get wild and render my own Tallow oh yeah there so I'll use that like with steak you just render it down or something cook steak or do you just actually have some beef Tallow no like I'll just get I'll go to the store and just get a like 10 pounds of beef fat and then

render my own tall does that not smoke real bad I mean I just if I'm searing something I just except that I accept that it's gonna smoke a little bit so that's my dream is to have uh a lot of people think about the type of burner you have but I want to have like a ridiculous uh fan yeah vacuum thing so

I can just sear the piss out cuz the whole house is yes no I mean when we uh we cook a lot of bacon you know I use the stove a lot and we've got a unfortunately electric range right now which is not ideal I would love to have gas range but um I just hate how it turns on and off the

electricity or does yours like pulse yeah it's like why I just consistent I need you to provide constant temperature that's what I paid for cuz it goes from like 350 to 300 to 350 to 300 it's like dude stay at 350 yeah if you're flipping that Stak you're going to have like what 30 seconds where it's 50 degrees cooler m i mean

that dog is just not GNA hunt yeah the um most of the time if I'm really trying to get a good sear I just got to go outside with it get on the pit um oh like with a cast iron or do you still stainless steal it um no just like a barbecue pit like a cowboy a couple different options Offset Smoker

that you can put real wood underneath so you got real fire but I also have a pellet grill too that gets pretty hot which so you like the little stripes on it I mean or do you like it you eat with your eyes huh you eat with your eyes I know but I like I like it to be like a consistent sear

okay yeah so like cast irons I understand yeah no that's great uh and honestly I've never thought of it from a like if I actually prefer one to the other but either way it's got to be it's got to be seared a nice even sear whether it's got the you know the great on it or uh or the cast IR okay so

do you cook much fish syan fish I do we make a I make salmon most of the time and I'll cook it with the skin on I pull the scales off but the skin still on and then just pretty much skin side down you're cooking it 90% of the time on the skin side and then when you serve it you actually put

it skin side up because when you cook it that way the skin gets super crispy on the top and that's nice so you eat the skin oh yeah I don't think I've gotten the skin crispy enough to eat it's Tricky cuz you can't cook it hot it's got to be kind of like a medium low temperature and it takes a minute like

it'll probably take 20 minutes to cook a piece of fish I'm doing it entire completely wrong you just want to just barely hear it kind of sizzling you know you can take it on and off the heat if you have to but my fish always sticks drives me nuts yep you have to the best way to do it you have to have

it's got to be very dry you know so what I'll do take it out of the fridge you know like an hour or so before first room temp is important too you don't want to put a super cold piece of fish there because it'll be raw in the middle and overcooked on the outside or it allows you to sear it for longer

well cuz it's cold on the inside per Perhaps but the most important part that I've found uh to searing um is it's got to be nice and dry so I'll salt it first open with more salt than you need for like an hour before and it'll draw a lot of moisture out of the skin and then I'll just wipe it off okay

to where it's nice and dry paper towel and then a little bit of oil cuz otherwise if you put too much oil or there's too much moisture then you're just boiling it essentially and it's not yeah it's not going to be able to get crispy yeah I normally do the salt on my steak you know and then it draws out a lot

of that moisture but I've never done it with the fish I think that's my problem I think they're too wet i d dry them off like crazy and then like I did a halit the other night I was so excited and I dried the thing off like six times yeah and then stuck it in the pan immediately stuck to the pan just

ruined fish I like oh my gosh it's like a $17 halit oh man oh so frustra I was talking about that the other day with Sarah cuz she didn't realize that Hal is essentially like a giant flounder it's like never thought about it that way they're I mean you catch them in Alaska they'll be 800 lbs I mean they're just huge yeah

but they actually do taste pretty much the same they're really good they're really good but they're just they're flat they got two eyes on one side of their head like a like a flounder I guess I didn't know that yeah it's wild huh they're just thicker they're huge I mean I don't know what a state record flounder is but I'm assuming it's

you know this big but I mean a halit will be as big as that curtain right there I mean they'll they're just grou giant yeah they're huge and the a lot of times when they catch them you know they're on the bottom and so it's like you can't even tell if you're hung up or if you've got a fish unless you're like

you know what you're feeling you got to uh so they are they're like on the bottom of the O off the bottom yeah just like a flounder I had I don't know how I missed that just yeah man I mean maybe you could catch them in the like the Open Water too but um yeah just the way that I've heard the fishing

experience describe like there was this one guy that was he uh he ended up catching it was like a 600 or 700 lb halet but he um he was stuck he thought he was just stuck on the bottom and was just hung up on something and finally he could feel the line vibrating was like holy [expletive] we're on damn is this somebody

you knew no it's just a and maybe six or 700 lbs is off I mean I don't know it was huge they had it hung up and the thing was as tall or taller than the guy that was standing next to it and um so he has hundreds of pounds but I don't I did my first FL gigging for flounder I did

that for the first time like six months ago yeah and that is you ever done that oh yeah was it did you do it at night uhhuh do you have one of those flashlight things he had him like RI he had a slick rig like he had lights rigged up on the front of the bottom of the boat oh okay so you

were on a boat yeah and then he was up like at on the bow like with a joystick uhhuh or yeah sort of and it was like rigged up to the back to a fan cuz he had a fan boat yeah so he could move that fan and he was up at the front spotting for stuff and he had the lights going

up there and so he would just drive he'd drive you right up on top of them that's awesome and you just freaking stick them yeah man I've never done it from a boat I did it one time uh just kind of walking around see that would be miserable well I mean it was just pretty much uh you know Shin to waste deep

water that we were walking in but this we had these lights and it was so wild it was like a PVC pipe kind of thing with a it looked like a GoPro at the end of it but it was just like a some sort of a light uh and you could you could Flex it to where you could change the angle of

it and outside of the water it was a super bright light but as soon as you put it in the water it was almost like it illuminated twice as much space underwater as it did out of the water so you're just like you got your gig in one hand you're light in the other and it's kind of like a little metal detector

you're just like looking for them and they're buried a lot of times in the sand you got to shuffle your feet because of stingrays too CU they'll get your ass do you have waiters on or something no oh you're just like in B shorts and yeah I think I was barefoot you know oh yeah you would have got lit up yeah um

but you could maybe depending on where you're at cuz sometimes it's a little rocky or oyster bottom where you're going and uh shoes would be more appropriate but yeah if it's just Sandy yeah I guess if you're on a lot of them it was kind of Stormy when we went so it was a little bit murky and then it was raining and

stuff so I guess they were they were moving in like weird spots or something if we had have been walking like I mean we maybe would have gotten one in two hours 3 hours maybe but on a boat he would just like we'd go clear across to another spot he's like no we'll see some here and then he just drive right up

on him and we'd stab a bunch of them we got a ton of them H yeah I was a little surprised too my wife wasn't she wasn't weird about it at all like she was a little bit worried about not liking it yeah you know but she just freaking Trident dude those are so badass I love spear fishing I see I've never

gone spear fishing well I call it spear fishing it's it was essentially like you got a pole with the Trident on the end of it oh okay but it wasn't like when were you yeah like actually shooting it underwat I never got to do that is it still rolling yeah cool that's perfect I'm G to relight this little booger right here ra

I wonder if how does that work on uh we're going to get roasted for this yeah do you want a cup no I own it drinking that I own it bro g i can we say that I usually say every time I do it they're what are you drink I'm like Bud Li I can just see it coming you know and they're

like you like see them take a deep breath like they're about to freaking destroy you and I'm like yeah man I don't know probably about 6 months year ago they had a dope marketing campaign and uh I never really drank it but after that and then it's just I can't well they came back strong they did it's like it never happened Old

Shane Gillis is helping with that I think Zack Bryan helped too didn't he wasn't he a bud lighter man I don't know I don't know man I just know that Shane um how funny is that guy oh dude he's oh I love it mhm I love it I'm not uh as off can I borrow that L I'm not as official let's touch

that's when you need to zoom in uh as I don't know it as well as I probably should for um you know to be talking about it but now that the I paid attention to the kill Tony thing for a while now and uh of course listen to Rogan frequently and there's just I don't know the comedy thing's always been super interesting

I'm just happy to see that it's more available now I mean I feel like there's just a lot more I think better lot more places that you can go see it but even like I don't know dude I think comedy is so situational like stuff that I wouldn't laugh at normally like if I'm at a comedy club it's just so much more

funny when you're seeing it live in person yeah like I'm way more uh likely to laugh at something if I'm actually experiencing it live versus just watching a special on Netflix or something I've always thought about they always talk about how they have to work out their bits and stuff in front of a live audience oh yeah and I've always kind of

been curious about that cuz I think just songwriting is so similar to creating standup comedy yep the process the creative process but I never hear people in our world talk about like man I just got to work it out in front of some live people and I wonder if we should think about that more I mean there's certainly an element to the

live performance I mean you can't you can only rehearse so many times um but once the lights are on it's a different kind of performance when you've got a live audience in front of you yeah it's just but maybe they do also talk about in comedy how there's guys who are great writers but they're just not very good standup guys which okay

I get that because that's the difference between the performance element of it I think they're so similar yeah but think about a so kill Tony for existence for existence kill Tony for existence just got to lean into it uh what if there was a songwriter thing like that where you had a panel of people that would then live like critique you there

could be a com comedic element to it as well I don't want no part of that [expletive] that's what I mean but why like shouldn't there be something like that man that definitely sounds interesting but I mean that sounds and imagine a bunch of sensitive songwriters getting like destroyed anxiety attack waiting yeah but in a way I think it would probably be

good for most of us yeah I mean certainly to get a health dose of Humble Pie every once in a but like there's been a few like radio things where I've done that they'll like all right we're going to have our listeners call in and give you 10 words and you got to write a song with these 10 words it's like live

on the air did you oh yeah how many times has that happened well it's happened exactly twice with the same radio station um they're seared in your brain there were terrible I mean they're terrible songs and they're just trying to it's like a morning show they're just trying to get some interesting content you know and they weren't expecting me to hit him

with a you know an award-winning song um I couldn't do it but you know just writing with that kind of a deadline it's like man I like these open-ended writs where if we don't leave with the song you know it's fine we can come back later it's always nice to finish something but we started this conversation live on the air and then

at the end of this segment you're expecting me to have something written that I'm now going to turn around and play live on the air it's like this is going to suck I don't like this at all of course it sucked yeah but I mean it was funny it was Goofy and of course like the words that people called in to use

they were just like you know good luck getting that to make sense or rhyme with anything um but you know they're just they're just trying to spice up their Pro but those so those Rider rounds in Nashville I just don't understand why it seems like the there's a there's a disconnect in music where you have like the obligatory clap or the no

clap or like the half clap or like the uh half clap that sounds like you got like half of something you don't want or you thought somebody was clapping in the back of the room turns out they're just packing some cigarettes no oh no that one hit home so hard or the TVs man just the TVs on yeah there was one that

I did uh at it the Texas Rangers game and there was a suite but it was I played up in one of the little box Suites but it was like a shared Suite so there's a bunch of people in there but most all of them don't know the other people like you could buy two tickets to The Suite yeah so there's a

bunch of people don't know each other in there and I'm playing this little gig in there acoustic and they have me up on this little half foot tall stage right in front of the TV and they have the game like on the TV and my head is in the middle of the TV like directly into the middle of the TV and just

watching somebody like I'm in the middle of playing something and watching them just straighten my eyes just like try to lean around me you know to try to see what's on hey let me help you out here I'll just I'll just sink down a little bit it literally it gives me like Goosebumps it almost makes me feel ill I got my big

old stupid cowboy hat on like right in the middle of the brutal good thing I wore this one today see you didn't go through any of that you were so good that you just went straight to oh gez no I've certainly played plenty of times for bar staff you know that didn't give a [expletive] yeah um sometimes the bar staff is actually

really sweet no it's great I mean uh I've had plenty of good and awful times you know uh out there but it's just part of it man you learn to appreciate it and it I've it's always happened like whenever we've had our biggest and best gigs whether it be like biggest crowds or like a bucket list type of venue or made the

most money we've ever made in a night whatever every time that it's usually that same weekend we'll play a show that's like the worst like we like I remember our first time we played we headlined the main stage at Billy Bob I'm like hell yeah dude we made it we F this has been something that being a musician in Texas is like

your goal at some point is to play the main stage there and I was like hell yeah we finally got our show and we played it and it was a great crowd uh few thousand people biggest one of the biggest crowds we' played for the very next night we're like 100 miles away in this little town in East Texas and we sold

like 27 tickets all night and there were people that I mean they showed up and they have no idea who we are they're just there because that's the only place to go in this little town and I remember there was this guy he was like this legendary old man he walks in I'm assuming he's a legend he's got to be he walks

in and he's got like eight other women with him all probably between 60 and 80 years old the women him he's probably mid 70s you know handsome guy but oh so he's still going for old older ones he's still into older women and every one of these women they're with him and it's like they're following his lead like he walks in first

they follow behind he sits down they all sit down and then he's got probably a dozen different maybe more but this particular evening we're playing and I know he's never seen us before we never seen him before but he's got a line dance a different line dance he's got dozen different line dances and he just stands up when he hears a song

that he wants to dance to he stands up and right after he does all these other women stand up and he they follow him out to the dance floor he leads them in a line dance song's over they go sit back down and you're watching this while you're singing and I'm like dude I'm kind of jealous of this guy like how did

like save some for the rest of us the on this man um but no dude it was just it was awesome but you know 35 tickets sold whatever it was at the end of the night and the night before we were 100 miles away biggest show we've ever played it's like we're at top of the mountain and then just here we are

is reality no idea how good that is for me to hear and I'm telling you every time it's happened every time since it's like whenever we have something kind of breakthrough happening it's like holy [expletive] we've been trying to get in this room forever are we just like finally hit a some kind of Milestone just like well something the ebb and flow

it's I mean it's got to e at some point it's flowing right now but we got the coming yeah I've always said or I've just tried to take the mental I guess position of like don't go too high with the highs and don't go too low with the lows mhm so my family my immediate family sometimes gets a little bit confused maybe

I don't know they can be a little hard on me with like well you need to enjoy it a little bit do you even enjoy it like are you having fun at all and I think there is a part of me that's just calculated where I'm like I'm just not letting myself get too excited exced about this cuz I know in a

week something's just something's going to happen that's me that's me I mean I'm I'm chronically optimistic but at the same time I don't like when people see something and they'll try and get excited before something actually happens they're just they know or they think it's going to happen and so they just start getting all excited like well just hang on let's wait

till that money hits the account first were you always like that or did is that something you sort of just learned man I mean I've always been um kind of naturally cautious um optimistic but also cautious you know we've just had you know situations growing up where you know Investments or different things didn't quite pan out business relationships you know people and

our family have really gotten taken advantage of in certain areas and so like I know that sort of stuff is out there and it's possible could happen to anyone so um yeah I mean it's certainly some of some of that kind of stuff like things haven't always worked out for the best you know we've certainly seen our share of Misfortune over the

years as well but um you know just keep your head straight look forward and don't like you were saying don't get too bummed about bad things uh but also understand when things are going good that this ain't forever when I when I first started out I you know I had uh pretty much through the whole process of me doing this keeping a

band together and just doing that whole thing has always been a little bit tough for me um and I've had a lot of guys just kind of in and out here for the last like couple years I've had a cons some consistent guys that are great but and I so maybe part of it too was just finding the right guys but what

I have struggled with in the past is because I don't like to talk about anything before it actually comes to fruition I don't like to feel like I'm like bullshitting people either you know like if something good is happening for sure like it's already happened sure like I'll share it but I'm just not really into the selling something before it's necessary if

that makes sense and I've noticed like building bands you know there's a lot of guys I've seen that not a lot but some that I know are just kind of full of [expletive] and they always have great players around them and they're always kind of dragging people along and you know just kind of bullshitting people and then usually at some point it

comes out that they're full of it and then the band you know whatever guys leave and they're like man that guy's full of [expletive] and that kind of thing but I always see them like getting more people and I just never wanted to be that way at the same time it's like hurt me with trying to get people because I'm not great

at like selling what I'm doing if that makes sense and I feel like there's some sort of balance there cuz it's not fair to like band members if they never know what's going on and they don't know any opportun ities that are happening that's not really fair for them to be in the dark about all of that yeah at the same time

I don't want to feel like I'm just selling them all the time like sure High Hopes so it wasn't really as much of a question as it was an observation and I find that to be one of the most difficult you know difficult parts of the whole thing is just keeping a band together having a band keeping a band together sure no

and that was definitely a struggle that I knew all too well and still um have uh issues with from time to time but yeah putting a band together in the beginning it was hard to hard to get guys that were willing to commit exclusively because you know I'd find players they played with half a dozen different bands and it was just whoever

got the gigs first got the confirmed players and you know it's hard to book your schedule out when you don't have a confirmed band and it's hard to book your band when you don't have a full schedule and so it was just like you've I mean I was playing sometimes with two or three different players in the same weekend cuz you know

this guy could play bass for me this night but he wasn't available on Saturday so I had to get another bass player to come in and play on Saturday so and then it was it's hard to deal with cuz then you know some of the guys are better than others and some of them have attitude things and there're just like there's a

some of them you know can't stay sober it's like there's all these all these different uh variables that have to come into play and you know you're dealing with uh with artistic T Tendencies and people that you know an R kind of buy art maybe autistic also I don't know there's definitely some I've had some people on the Spectrum uh around maybe

myself included I don't know I Haven never seen this spectrum or tested myself but we probably both have a touch of the tism for sure but uh no man just uh dealing with different things um different personalities and you being a good hang I've learned as equally as important as being a good player on the on the road you know yeah but

even being a good hang can seem like that doesn't mean you have to be like funny all the time no just don't cause problems that's it yeah that's pretty much it you beof you can be off on your own you can hang out you can be full of Personality or not have much but just at the end of the day be where

you're supposed to be on time do what you're supposed to do and don't be a burden to other people around you know just like get by and make it easier for others to get by help and when how you can but yeah so cuz that's been you know something we've had guys that are just Monster players but then they just suck to

be around they're like you dread going to work on the weekends and it's like we're supposed to be entertaining people and all I can think about is how I can't stand this person I'm standing on I'm on stage with and it bleeds into you know just your overall zest for life you kind of it just takes the Shine off of things yeah

and then like if that person starts like pulling that energy you know and then other people start gravitating towards that in the group it's just like a toxic oh yeah man thing to develop sucks it's like if even if one person like I just hate the idea of somebody acting like they don't want to be there it's like don't be here yeah

don't be like if you don't want to be here don't be yeah like I'm not going to do this in between thing that we're just like acting like we're having a bad time I'm not having a bad time and I don't want to have a bad time but that smug like I'm too cool to be here I don't want to be here

fre I can't stand it bro yeah can't stand passive aggressive either that's a big one you got something you got an issue let's talk let's address it you know we can do it appropriately but we all have Tendencies of being a little bit too passive aggressive but I get it's like conflict avoidance the stuff you're talking about though is uh that's like

all stuff that's just has to be learned the hard way by just doing it I see a lot of uh like right now specifically you have people they put out one song of them playing in their garage and then like overnight they are like exploding and record labels are signing them and I mean they are freaking turning into like over Sensations and

I just hope there's so many intangibles that you only can learn by doing it like managing a band like what's it like to be out on the road like what's it like to get up have to get up at 5:00 a.m. what's it like to have to drive all the way through the night and then you have to do a radio interview

in the morning and then your voice is tired and then you still have to go like sound check and then how do you run a sound check and like do you know anything about live sound yeah like how do you organize a band how do you run a set list together like how do you run in ears like do you have that

equipment do you have that gear who's going to be your front of house guy how do you talk to the front of house guy how do you read this the freaking uh deal sheet at the end of the night make sure you didn't get ripped off like how much you going to sell your tickets for like I mean there's so much stuff

that goes into like doing all of this and I have a fear I'm happy for people that like have these explosive moments but I'm very like kind of fearful for them that they haven't learned like a lot of that stuff and they're just going to crash and burn yeah and a lot of the indust doesn't like it's even some of them have

a disconnect like you can talk to a booking agent and a label guy and half of them haven't been on the road like they don't even really know what it's like they've never even sat there during a soundcheck so when you're talking to your booking agent after and you're like what are these places like we need to figure out something with like

the sound that is going on in these places and they're just like well like they think you're being a turd it's like well you I don't know I'm ranting it's only because there's somebody who like can like understand what I'm saying yeah I get it man that's why I'm like I'm thankful for like a slow burn and having to learn the hard

way cuz I think it'll pay dividends I think yeah no that I mean that's what uh that's what I'm hoping you know for me as well I mean I've certainly had some pops here and there and uh noticeable increases in this or that and uh but you know it's something I've been doing for a long time and I continue to I will

continue to do for a long time you know I uh forget who it was if it was Ray Wy hubard or Hayes Carl singing a ray Wy hubard song or whatever but he's talking about this line of work No One retires and it's like look at you know there's plenty of options out there to study uh but man ray Wy is music

a great example of somebody who he really didn't pop off till way later in his life yeah and I mean even when you do like maybe you don't play 100 shows a year until you're dead but like I don't I don't plan on ever taking the live show off of the agenda you know I mean I would love to play 30 shows

a year you know if they're making the right money and I'm I'm living the lifestyle that I would like to um but you know I love to perform and I love to travel and uh I like I mean playing with the band and spending time with those guys is always just one of my favorite things to do and so I uh you

play a lot of sports I did I mean growing up yeah I played baseball basketball football so that like locker room teammate kind of thing oh camaraderie is huge yeah and that was something um I knew that football was probably the sport I was most passionate about um arguably for the least amount of time cuz I only played football for 6 years

but um you know and I remember playing my last game and I was just mortified I was like dude I'm never going to play football again like I've done this I've committed my not my life I mean I definitely did plenty of other [expletive] too that point there were so much that I'd put into it but then it was just like dude

I'm not going to I'm not going to have the same time with my buds like the you know not necessarily bleeding or killing yourself but there's a lot that you're like sacrificing to for the greater good of the team you know hopefully and just that sort of camaraderie and relationship that I had with those guys on the team it was it was

sad once it was all over because I knew that wasn't going to be a possibility for me in the future playing football in college was not in the cards for me but you know I have the opportunity to kind of continue that same sort of spirit with the guy in the band and we're all a part of something that's bigger than any

of us individually and it's just really cool to share that with people and to go out and see what we can make happen you know take these songs that we've written and uh share them with the world and hopefully you know get something back um put a few smiles on people's faces and you know leave our Mark however we can I don't

I don't I know what that means however big or small it may be in the end but yeah we're on like such a crazy free roll like you get born into America and then our biggest problem is like not having enough people at a show yeah that's wild yeah that's crazy that's insane absolutely insane are you playing in Vegas M what days

uh we're playing wonder if we can get this out before uh so we're playing Saturday and Sunday this Saturday uh yeah the seventh and e8th oh I'll be there really yeah hell yeah man I mean not at yours but I'll be out there well I mean it's hard to be at the same place I'm just kidding I didn't know that you were

playing I'm going to go on Saturday then cool where are you playing at so uh good question uh it's downtown I forget the name of the venue it's in a it's like a oh it's like the old Vegas no it's like they've got some sort of a tent set up and it's downtown Vegas I forget exactly Center May yes that's ringing a

bell is that where they're doing the cowboy Christmas um I don't know I don't it's not the rodeo Vegas thing right I don't no uh you're playing Sunday too yeah Sunday we're playing at zook zuk nightclub um it's uh oh cool Resorts World I think is the place that one's at and uh yeah I'm looking forward to it man we had the

zook thing booked for a while and this other one just came up the Saturday show just came up recently that's perfect so we're already going to be out there and we're like hell yeah let's double up so uh are you going to hit other ones while out that way or no are you guys going to come straight back no we're just flying

out for those we're going to they'll have backline gear and stuff so we'll just take our guitars and uh Skeleton Crew but um you gamble at all man you know I'll mess around a little bit and I really like to but you know I'm not the kind of guy that's willing to risk thousands of dollars to make thousands you know so I

feel like every time I gamble I'd win or lose a couple hundred bucks and that's all that I you know yeah I never really get up or down big cuz I'm not CPS you know I have but it's always whenever I've gone out it's like all right I'm with somebody that's going to play with me and kind of teach me the rules

but every time it's all it's always like seems like years in between where I play craps and so I always forget how to play so I've never really gotten in a Groove where I feel like I could just show up to any table and gamble by myself I always want to be like what should I do here what would be the game

that you like the most man I've won the most on roulette oh okay I've lost the most on Blackjack okay uh but I mean Blackjack is what I play most frequently I feel like I'm just more uh familiar with that game than any other but there's so many different variations you know single deck or people I don't even know if I've ever

played single deck I have and it's intense you know uh that's totally yeah I mean gez but I've just again I've never done it enough to where I'm really feeling confident about every move I make and I've sat at a few tables where you got some butthole sitting over here and you make the wrong bet he calls you out and then like

now you feel like a dumbass and see that every table I go to I just go I don't know what I'm doing I don't know how to play yeah like what I've learned to do is the first couple times I win I'll tip the dealer good so if I'm about to [expletive] up sit and do the wrong thing usually be like um

you sure you want to do that yeah you know they'll give you a little cue you're doing the like hit that happens to me all the time I'll slap my hand on the table like hit me and I'm like bam and they look at me and I'm like I that means stay don't want to do it I was doing this is that

a fair catch did you a fair catch I did a fair catch uh I would you got to play Sunday so I get it but I was going to say on Saturday we should go freaking clacky clack play some craps or something's I mean we're in Vegas Bud well I know I don't play till Sunday night yeah well got Su day to

yeah but yeah I got a I got a fragile voice you know well you know they pump all that O2 out there into the casinos it feels like is that a theory or is that a real thing I mean I've never felt more alive at times than I have in those casinos but I don't know if that's the oxygen or I don't

know what it is the cheap a little bit or expensive drinks whatever but uh well we should play while we're out there hell yeah we can find a table Yeah I uh especially if you want to play craps like I would I would love to sit in on a craps game let's do that and I was just talking uh so Casey donu

we've got a run of shows that we're doing um in December and we just played this last weekend and we were talking about it he's a big Gambler Casey is and he was he was uh teaching me some of the Finer Things about betting on the craps table okay and gambling in general he going to be out there I know he will

be he'll be there same time so he's playing zuk also um he stays out there for a while well he's done he's been doing it for a long time but this one I think this year he was he was saying he's just going to be out there for maybe a day or two oh okay um but um yeah he's he likes to

gamble if we found a crafts table and can get all of us on there uh oh that would be the best like just a table full of people that we know oh my gosh dude Los our ass that's the thing it's like it can still be sort of fun yeah if you're losing cuz at least you're all in it together but if

you if you if y'all get on a heater and somebody's rolling a long time there might not be anything more fun than all of us high five in and dude I can't imagine a better time than like a 30 40 minute roll oh yeah I'm in I'm totally in yeah man uh well thanks for doing this dude if we get I don't

know if we get this out before Vegas shows but you don't have a timeline on your new music coming out do you first quarter Loosely uh Financial term there first quarter of 2025 so yeah I mean that's a nice um I guess diplomatic way of putting it I don't want to I don't want to hold myself down too much but uh but

you got new music coming next year yes definitely and uh We've started it I'm going out next week to work on it some more so it's you over the next few weeks it'll start coming together uh but yeah I'm excited about it and you can find Mike on the worldwide web at uh mik r w it's htttp backback slimon www. Mike Ryan

Band Mike Ryan band yeah or my crying band on Tik Tok I made that joke on a Tik Tok live Bann uh on all the other socials right before you got here I could it was really hard for me to not say it what my crying band I did it on my Tik Tok live earlier I said Mike Ryan's coming later uh

not Mike Ryan I was like surely he's heard that a million times oh man yeah well the scammers beat me to the Tik Tok page I Mike Ryan in every form and fashion was already taken so I had to get creative with it kind of a compliment well I mean I guess yeah I mean those guys else wait hold on your actual

name on Tik Tok is my crying my crying band my Tik Tok handle yeah my gosh I hate to uh overdo it but I didn't know that hell yeah dude I thought that was just something stupid that people would normally say to you no man I used to I didn't know you leaned into it no I' started doing that long time ago

man I at the end of my shows frequently I would sign off with thank you for listening to my crying bandry I didn't know that was your actual Tik Tok handle yeah that's so funny well my crying.com you bet Farmers only.com the freaking all right see yall the [Music] sing I