William Lee Martin

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[Music] purple in the canyon that's where it's not you know and that's are we starting now yeah we kind of just free it oh okay cool yeah we just let it rip okay and then we'll just start it yeah cool I usually give like a little I mean kind of an intro quasi intro all right let's it's actually see your int what's

crazy I actually don't have an intro at all we usually just run it I don't have an intro so I'm just curious why did you decide on the gray socks I mean you got and black I thought they were um they were viby okay you know I thought they had a certain vibe to it I also thought um there's a little gray

in here there is a little gray in there you're right I'm wrong and the biggest reason is I grabbed one sock and I said oh my gosh I need to find one that matches so I grabbed the other one I only have four kinds of socks in my entire drawer a't that weird that way I never have to go looking for pairs

so the short socks are all the same socks okay the long the boot socks are all the same boot socks I got dress socks that are all the same and then I have just a few like uh that the kids get me for different colors yeah okay you got to do there's three basic colors and then just one kind of that you

got to go find a pair so I just buy new ones like almost every other week you're spending that kind of money huh yeah dude it's pretty crazy the podcast has been good I mean that's why would you make money other than to spend it on socks sock you know that's kind of what I've always been taught my whole life really was

that your whole life spinning socks or did you get to be 31 and then suddenly started buying socks and then you cried at night saying I'm finally a grown-up no well my parents are big sock people are they so uh your dad seems like not a sock guy he seems like you know like he really lived in the dawn Johnson kind of

no socks and slip on kind of Don Johnson why am I thinking of the little Ural cake things what are those called are those called Dawn something no I'm sure you know what I'm talking about but Don Johnson was uh from Miami Vice and that was an 80s thing okay so yeah wow I feel old now well I don't know do you

want to hear other stories from the olden days those Ural cakes are pretty old too they probably from the 80s yeah and the older that you get the more likely you are to touch them anyway that's why you got to put your hand up there so I figured we'd start with you just telling us a joke that was it that was it

oh all right so I actually do have uh a pretty I'm sure people tell you this all the time about the story of like how when they first saw you kind of thing but ours I think is a little bit particularly unique because you knew you end up knowing my family and some people that I know and were from the same quasi

Hometown I'm from decar you're from I guess Rome uh well I was born in blue so I'm an original mounder bagol okay yeah but general area yeah general area now we live here so like my freshman year a college I hadn't really I guess my senior year of high school I got a little bit into standup there was some guys like Nick

swartson and stuff like that I started watching and then my freshman year of college we ended up going to I was trying to remember it earlier but I think it was hyenas I don't know if it was in worth yeah and Arlington me and a bunch of my buddies they're still all my friends and uh I texted him when I when I

found out I was doing a podcast with you too cuz my freshman year we went to a comedy club and I don't think you were headlining I don't think and this would have been I don't know close to 10 years ago or something then I was headlining okay you were headlining okay uh I didn't even know enough back then to even you

could have been first and I would have been like this is great like I didn't even know enough to uh and you destroyed that room and uh and for years after that for and it was like right at the beginning of like social media really getting super popular and uh none of us could ever quite like figure out who you were and

we could never find your stuff ever again and it was probably over 10 years ago and uh I had like moved to Florida and I guess this would probably be four or five years ago I saw one of your videos pop up on Facebook or something and I was like because I just remembered it was a vivid memory of how funny you

were and your face you have a memorable face you were kind of a wild man too I remember you just eviscerating this one blonde girl up in the front that was kind of being she was being a bit much yeah that's uh and she ended up leaving and we just thought it was the greatest thing we had ever seen in our lives

and uh and so then I saw your video pop up and I texted all my buddies that were there I was like this is the freaking guy because we would always talk about it for years after that's cool and then we found it there and then it turns out you know my dad and all that and then this happened and I was

like damn what us freaking yeah it's uh you know it's been a it's been a journey uh I really miss the clubs I don't do the clubs much anymore now we do theaters yeah and uh but you know those days and hyenas is really they I owe everything you know they really gave me a place to not only try it out I

didn't find stand up till I was 30 oh how cool so uh yeah so how scary it well it was in a wasn't I uh I wrote advertising out of college and uh now I even uh I even admit with a fake degree so I dropped out uh after my freshman year and then I was out of college for I don't know

three years got married and then when my son came that's when I decided I needed to grow up and finish an education okay and so I work full-time go to school full-time for three and a half years and my senior year uh got served with papers for divorce and uh I dropped out second time but as I say in the show now

I uh learned my lesson and went down to Kinkos and I made me a degree yeah it was it was before there was a good printer so you had to cut and paste to make it look real and um uh it took effort back then yeah it really did none of this digital crap now and even my buddy was like uh I

made this resume cuz I was going to school to write advertising and I thought you know that'll be the closest I'll ever get to show business honestly that's what I thought it' be the closest I'd ever get and uh so that was kind of the compromise and um uh sure enough uh armed with a fake degree and a resume that was bunch

of [expletive] and uh bunch of stuff that I'd never done even my buddy's like you're going to get caught what are you going to do when they catch you I said I'm going to tell them hey you were looking for a creative writer how creative was that yeah you know and uh and then I wrote advertising and I was absolutely miserable with

my life I was 27 and uh divorced and uh absolutely U close to Suicide I think yeah well and uh as I tell people especially now you know the men are more likely to commit suicide after a breakup than women are especially when there's children involved and people don't realize how devastating that can be to not be able to see your kids

you know when you want to and tuck them in and all that other stuff and I tell people now uh that I've lived through all that best advice I can give to men is live brother if you really want to piss off the woman that broke your heart live well what do you mean just do what you want to do no live

don't check out oh quite literally yeah literally live yeah maybe you know 28 years from now you know you end up with a comedy career and a million followers on Facebook oh yeah and now your ex-wife has to hear all the time how charming and funny you were at a comedy club when they were uh in you know in college well I

didn't I didn't say you were Charming no I was not I used I used to be just brutally just I you know I took it like a bulldog up there man dude it was life it I mean just to go show you we talked about it for 10 years well we would always bring it up man you remember that freaking guy Cowboy

guy yeah like we would always bring it up yeah you know I finally dropped the you know my name was Cowboy bill on stage for forever and uh we dropped it uh I guess in 2016 a year after my one year a year after my first national television special and uh there a lot of things that happened to change it you know

the name actually was not a madeup name is a name that my grandfather gave me at Birth his name was William Lee my name is William Lee he didn't want me to be called uh Little Bill like he was uh he said call him Cowboy bill and I was named after the old wrestler back in the 60s and uh that's where the

name came from and then the special came out in 2015 uh my wife and I uh we paid for the uh taping we sold it to CMT and then they said uh we're going to use it we're going to have to bleep out the language in it and uh at the time I was really struggling on whether or not cuz I don't

cuss at home uh really and I don't you know I don't cuss around the kids and at the time we also had a children's charity called Cowboys of care so it there was really two personas there was the Persona that I was really using on stage and then there was who I was in real life and I wanted those to get closer

and then rededicated my life in uh to Christ in uh 2016 and I really wanted just a rebirth of it all so that's when we dropped uh Cowboy Bill and started going by my maiden name William Lee Martin you were doing cow the cowboy thing before it was cool I was yeah so you dropped it just in time for it to like

get super popular well you know everyone's in a c funny yeah I well I don't wear the I actually take off my hat when I walk on stage now because in the theaters the lights hit on top and you pointed out while ago you know your facial expressions on stage huge and once I took off the hat uh people could see the

face even more and some of the lame jokes I tell have to be sold with that mug right there yeah I feel you on that but it's uh the cut of the eyes and that kind of stuff yeah I try to tip the Hat up but it's kind of a pain it is and then what I found also uh is that once

I took off the hat you know I'm a tall guy anyway 6'2 or so and with the cowboy hat because of the way the lights hit I also was bringing up my shoulders didn't know that till we took off the hat because wait hold on explain that to me you because you almost you know you're trying to Shield yourself from the light

so you know even though you tip it up you still not to be blinded you're still and I didn't know that until we took that off and then suddenly my shoulders dropped back down and my neck got longer wow and uh I actually uh point my face towards the light now D talk about some subconscious body language stuff yeah it really was

have you gone down some I'm sure you have to have gone down some rabbit holes on body language and yeah well you know that's the great thing about standup is that you can tell who really you can like in a club setting you learn after 20 years you can see who's not comfortable with you uh picking on them and most of people

that I never dive into the audience unless they provoke it you know so uh I don't you know now it's become so popular for Comics to be especially on the internet own the Heckler you know there's one guy Christ every time he puts out a deal I own this Heckler and this Heckler and this Heckler and I put on one of his

post I was like if I got heckled this much I would quit there's a problem yeah oh either doing it for social media so it's either a setup that's my theory is that he's got somebody in there so he can get the social media because those things get hits either that or you just suck yeah it seems like most stuff now and

I like a lot of the crowd work stuff but it seems like most of the stuff I see is all crowd work yeah and uh it's a real problem uh it really is it becomes because people then think that's what a comedy show is okay so explain the difference between like what traditionally a true standup comedy show is supposed to be versus

some of the stuff that gets the most popularity online well the difference is you know there's an old Heckle line that I've always used uh when I came in they gave me a microphone when you came in they gave you a seat so one of us is supposed to talk and the other's supposed to shut the [expletive] up there you go you

know that used to be my favorite all the time and that's exactly what standup should be you're not coming in to voice your opinion you're coming in to hear his opinion or her opinion and uh you know where it all changed is about 10 years ago when people started getting offended and thinking that this was a one-on-one conversation it's not oh so

you saw a definitive moment where it started to shift it really did uh through the popularity of the internet that suddenly people now feel like they also have a voice when they come to the show you've literally only paid to come in and sit and laugh that's really all that you've been paid yeah to do and people are like uh what's my

money yeah and you can take it and walk back out the door it's not up for debate it's not called debate right it's called standup comedy so it uh that's the beauty of the being in the theaters is that you don't get a whole lot of that people are actually coming to see you in the clubs that's really what changed in my

career uh right after the pandemic uh I told my wife I said uh I don't want to do clubs anymore and I don't want to do cruises or anywhere that they haven't paid to come and see me specifically uh and that's only in the theaters and uh those people actually have come in a comedy club half the people are there to see

the comic who's on stage and the other half is there just to be there and some people are there to be thinking that they're going to be part of the show and uh I didn't enjoy it anymore and I didn't want to do it that way I figured I'd do a different kind of living if I had to continue doing it that

way and that really didn't start till four years ago uh for me uh it was the impetus to get out from the security blanket it really was uh Co taught me a lot of things you say security blanket that would be the clubs infrastructure explain that how does CU what I don't in a lot of other art forms there's not that type

of infrastructure well I mean you have the clubs I mean you guys have the clubs and the club yeah but it's it doesn't it's not I guess it's not quite as um structured as it seems out as an outsider looking at what y'all do well just because there's you know 15 people that own most of the clubs oh so if you're in

with those 15 then you've got work oh but if you're out if you're out you're out it used to be like that a little bit more at least in the Texas country stuff yeah with certain booking agents that's changed quite a bit because of the internet yeah it's uh for me everything changed uh career-wise I guess two and a half years ago

and it was based on the movie uh the founder what really changed and it's about McDonald's which is ironic because we're in the parking lot of a McDonald's yeah we're just in a shadow of in a trailer in the in the parking lot of the McDonald's it's uh they uh I was watching the movie with Michael Keaton and there's a great scene

in it where the financial guy tells him he says you're in the wrong business you think you're in the hamburger business and you're in the real estate business and I've been telling jokes at this point you know for 25 years 26 years and uh that's I watched the movie over and over and this light came on it was like I'm in the

wrong business forever I thought that I was in the haha business and I'm in the ticket sales business but it's a difference in mentality and I called I had an agent in La uh I had a uh a manager in Boston and I had a marketing team in Atlanta and I called them all and I said listen uh I don't want to

do clubs and I don't want to do uh cruises ever again uh I really don't want to work anywhere where there's a food a plate of food being served to anybody H so you guys have the same dinner oh yeah issue that yeah well at least with you they just have to hum along right I get it uh but for us brutal

it's a very you know you have to be within the moment yeah and uh especially as the show develops because there's call backs there's all kinds of structure to it but I told him I didn't want to do it anymore that uh I'm in the ticket sales business and at the time I thought you know what I think I can sell 400

tickets in any Market that I go to uh well that seems like more than most comedy clubs sell anyways well they sell about 250 but 250 but they make you do five shows got so you got to sell 1,200 seats you know to make a good living yeah but that in the in the same location in the same outrageous uh and uh

you've also got 1500 comedians competing for 52 jobs so is that it cuz in my world it changed significantly because of the internet you don't have built-in crowds anymore where we play so that's a lot of venues are struggling that haven't maybe gotten on the same page they think like well there people still just go out to have a drink and discover

a band it's like no they discover people online that they go to a show so do comedy because that's always perplexed me because it seems like comedy clubs are still doing the same thing that they've always done yeah and that's why a lot of them are dying really okay yeah and uh they also in my humble opinion uh quit caring about the

show itself like when I started the opening act couldn't cuss at all and the feature act could cuss a little bit and then the headliner could say whatever you want how you wanted it or anything else and it's because they got out of the show part of the of the business they just put up three acts and then they wouldn't put together

three acts in a comedy club that would complement each other isn't that wild that seems like so obvious yeah you would but you know once it just becomes the hamster wheel that all they're doing is every time you would show up to a comedy club that's the other thing I told uh that staff uh all my management and all this stuff I

said every time I show up to a comedy club my key question is who was here last week and they'll go I can't remember that's why it doesn't matter to you so us sending you posters uh to have some high school kid put them out in the uh on the street somewhere you know in the restaurants that are popular whatever Town that's

why they're still in your office that's why when we send you the little tents you know to put on your tables that's why those are also still in the box you know they don't care most of them most of them don't yeah you know and I didn't want to do that anymore I just Co was that grand reminder that this thing will

end for me sometime soon you know how did all the people you work with take it uh not great cuz fired everybody you fired them I fired all of them because they raised the stink about it or no because they said you can't do it that way Bill and really what they wanted what they were trying to say is that it makes

our job harder uh because if we can call Four comedy club uh owners that own eight comedy clubs a piece that's 32 weeks that I don't have to worry about booking for you and I can book all my other clients in the same place and work it and I didn't want to do it that way so comedy agents take like 10% or

yeah it's the same structure as everybody else uh my first agent uh my first manager and agent was a guy named CW Kendall and uh he was a trip you know he was he I think he took 15% and signed me to a five-year deal and uh I used to call him the colonel because Colonel Parker yeah and uh he was the

kind of guy that goes hey Bill listen I got you a great gig it pays you $1,800 uh the bad news is uh you need to know a little bit of Spanish also you need to learn the guitar and it'd be great if you could wear yamaka while your up there yeah and you got to be gay you're like gosh this tough

just briefly yeah they said you got to screw the elephant first I said no the elephant was going to screw you and I said no he's got to screw the elephant you drive a hard bargain good for you and then he was double dipping as well so you know he would he would charge me commission but he would also charge them to

produce the show okay so you know the gig would end up paying $3,000 I'd get 1,800 it he'd get 12 up front and then I had pay him uh Commission on the 1800 when did you find that out uh it I you know it's so long ago 20 years ago so it was pretty easy to discover it's pretty easy to discover yeah

how'd you how' you discover it uh well you know when you're at a corporate gig and you know you're getting $1,800 and they go this is the best $3,000 I've ever spent it's that simple they just say it's that simple you go H yeah can I see the contract and then they show you and I'm like wow different contract than I got

what how did you approach him what uh well I fired him and it's the same it's also the same time that I uh signed uh with blue collar so um I Blue Collar uh the management of them in 2000 came to see my show ingal he and I are good friends Bill inal and he uh he's the one that introduced me on

stage with them at zany and Nashville for my audition and it was uh those people and uh a lesbian uh softball team which seems to be redundant uh it goes back to the gay thing yeah but they were there and about four other people on a Wednesday and I'm thinking well I'm not going to get this gig at all right and uh

so I go out and I just made fun of the ladies I just dove into the crowd and did that whole thing and stayed away from the act as much as I could CU there was nobody there to see the Act and the next day they invited me to Ruth Chris's Steakhouse and I'm literally eating like a prom date that's not going

to put out right yeah I'll take the appetizer you met because I thought you know they're just going to say hey thanks and at the end they signed me and uh so I fired CW now that I had somebody but he still had me for two more years on this contract well but you couldn't fire him based on that no all the

other stuff you was doing well because you'd have to go to court and prove all those kind of things and uh when you're struggling uh you know young act you don't have $2,000 to go hire an attorney to try to get this guy so I just fired him and then he sued me he sued me for the two years and we and

my favorite story is this is that we sett a lot of cour that um uh that he would have fairs and festivals and he would have colleges for the rest of the year and then the thing would be over and uh that's not too bad not too bad so I get flown to Nashville uh by the blue collar guys uh management and

it was an incredible week I got to open for George Jones and the Ryman uh I got to walk down the alley and take the tootsies entrance of the artist entrance you know back then uh we also got to uh a private um walk through of the Country Music Hall of Fame you know on exhibits that's not out and stuff uh then

we went to the IBA convention which is the international exhibitor buyers Association ingal was hosting uh Jeff Foxworthy got humanitarian of the year for building a Children's Hospital in Atlanta um Larry the Cable Guy was there but he wasn't as big at all I mean that was just when Blue Collar was really what year was this roughly so 2000 uh 1999 2000

somewhere around there right before it all exploded uh Johnny Cash and June Carter also uh made an appearance at this convention I mean it's big money convention and uh they hadn't been seen in public for 10 months because they both had pneumonia and I got to shake Johnny Cash's hand I mean you get to shake you know Jesus's hand basically and uh

and then I the next morning I got to fly back home and I got to drive down to the Austin County Fair which is not in Austin everybody knows that's Travis County yeah uh but Austin County Fair and uh I call before I get there now they've had me in a five room hotel suite really whining and dining my dad was in

town whole thing right in Nashville now we're driving down to do this County Fair back to it yeah well it's it what a reality check it was so uh I get there and I said where is the uh my hotel and they said uh CW has put you up in the Wayne motel okay the motel and it's the kind of place that

uh that's without a g yeah absolutely correct yeah Wayne okay got Wayne Mo like Bruce Wayne okay Wayne yeah he owned it and it's kind of place that uh they you know they'd hand you the key and go I'll cover you kid I mean it was in a terrible neighborhood and uh the it had like 1970s uh you know Carpeting and uh

but the TV the TV weighed 7,000 lb it still had a back because you tried to take it yeah no sense in it because the remote control was tethered uh to the uh so yeah it was you mean like it was had a cable or what are you talking about no it was uh there was a case for it that was locked

into the nightstand and so you had to move it that way so it was not going to disappear and uh I literally pulled back the comforter I laid on the sheets cuz I only had like 4 hours sleep and I had to drive down this thing and it's a 4-day thing that he's booked me for and uh I take a shower and

it's one of those kind of places that you go put down the wash Rags on the on the bathtub floor so you're not stepping on whatever girls thing I mean it was literally one of the wor worst motels and then I drive to the to the fair and there's as I'm walking in there's a poster all the people that's going to be

there uh sleep at the wheel uh Roger craigger cter girl um uh Chris Kagel one night and uh I'm in none of those pictures none of those it says also appearing Mike Mesmer hypnotist Comm chainsaw artist Comm clown comma and then and comedian Cowboy Bill Martin so I got fourth billing without a picture behind the clown and the chainsaw artist and they

didn't they didn't even give them good names I mean I'd be I'd be more apt to appreciate it if it said Buzzy the like holy cow buzzes here just any clown in the world so I get there and the guy that runs this thing is great big old belet guy I mean you could not have put him in Central Casting make him

more believable you know that booked this whole thing it was a great guy but I get there and you play these fairs and festivals it's uh just a 10 building with three open sides and a stage and uh I get there and I'm like Mike uh where's where's the audience sit and he's like uh yeah man you start talking they'll all come

over oh and I said well that's not really how standup Works bud I do a lot of call backs and I this is after you just got to hang I just got I mean I was I was here and now uh you know uh yeah so people think it's hard not to I struggle with it cuz it's like there's a part of

you that you kind of know you're being a little bit pretentious yeah ultimately but you also know what you I tell people all the time young Comics you have to be in a position to win and as standups uh it's really hard um uh to put on a good show people think that if I just turn on a microphone that it can

be a good show no you have to have people facing forward you have to be have people paying attention you have to have uh that center of attention it is not only necessary it's absolutely vital to everything that goes on yeah if it wasn't necessary for to for like a full production of a show like why I mean like in the music

world the biggest acts have they spend millions of dollars on lighting and yeah all sorts of production yeah if it's not necessary then why do they have to do it but yet I'm going to stand over here on a stack of pallets and like do something that people actually want to see no I mean come on well this the first night was

Roger cger and girl and uh so I tell him and I'm supposed to go up before the First Act and then I'm supposed to go up in between the acts and introduce the act and we come to a compromise that I'll introduce the First Act and then I'll do standup in between the two when people are already over here that still sounds

like a nightmare it well uh the first night uh yeah so uh the first they go up and yeah people start fing over once the band starts playing and everything else and I walk out on stage in between and uh I go how y'all doing and some lady goes get off the stage we're waiting on Roger ker and I can't go after

her cuz it's a fair and a festival there are kids walking around and kids and strollers with balloon animals and good balloon animals cuz apparently the C the clown killed right just crushed yeah just crushed I saw him in his dressing room just crying wiping off the stuff going they'll know my name next time you know oh he did not Crush no

he did great with all the kids and stuff you know walking around and everything else but uh I can't go after them and I do the show and uh the 15 minutes whatever they want so did they ever know that you were a stand-up comic uh yeah so but we got through the first night and I walk off stage and Mike goes

hey don't worry about it this is kids night and it really was it was a bunch of kids with the FFA uh jackets on and beer that they stole out of their dad's uh refrigerator in the garage hey at least they were drinking you know they helped a little not at all not at all and I walk off and I throw my

beer down and I and uh he goes it won't be like this tomorrow and I'm thinking you damn right I won't because I'm going to get in that Ford truck and I'm going to drive back the four hours back to Fort Worth and sleep in my own bed oh good for you I don't have the balls dude no well I called I

called my new manager and uh he said you know listen if you want to walk I don't know if I can get your money and uh but if you want to walk I to I sent CW all the parameters you have to have chairs in front of you have to and he's really the guy that really talked about you have to be

in a position to win and this thing and I said well I'm GNA call my dad and uh talk to the old man see what he thinks and he I called him up now my dad never ever cussed in front of us okay occasionally if he's working on the car or something you might hear something but nothing like just what I was

about to embrace and my dad never ever stood up for me either if I got in a fight in School uh there was no hey I'll go to the school and clear this up no it was hey either take an ass whipping or learn to give an give it yeah so tough old man and I called or I'm going to give it

to you yeah exactly and I called the old man and told him what and I mean the f bomb flew out of his mouth because he was also in Nashville with me right yeah so he just saw everything he says God damn it boy I'm going to tell you call us CW you tell him I'll kick his ass myself you just had

all these people and blah and he just and at first it's like the first time he ever stood up for me and it made me feel good and after a while he just kept on doing it I'm like okay I get it no damn it I'm telling you right now you don't need that some [expletive] at all he said how much is

he paying you I said $6,000 he goes I'd stick around another day really you're going to let your pride getting the way I mean it turned just like that how much is he paying and at the time it was the biggest check i' ever made you know it's a lot of money it was especially in 2000 it was huge money yeah so

he like but yeah I'd stick around another day it does change it and it does and then the next day I came out and it was uh Chris Kagel and it was an older crowd and I had you know my house your mama t-shirt that was my catchphrase at the time and a CD that come out and everything else and I did

sleep at the wheel and met all those guys and it really was an amazing next 3 days right and uh I called him and I just all I kept thinking is they're paying me all this money and all I did is about 15 minutes work of work every night you know I went up in between and did 15 minutes and then brought

on the next one and that kind of stuff and I thought you know before they really discovered that they got ripped off I'm going to go ahead and have them cash this check when they wrote it to me and they so they uh they cash the check for $6,000 that they paid me and I to this day I still remember so $4,000

were the merchandise and those four days damn yeah were you slinging it yourself uh oh yeah all by myself back there Mike the owner his wife would be back there with me but we the whole time we would they all it had a big Texas flag that said how's your mom on it and uh damn you crushed yeah and I called my

dad and it's first time I ever drank Red Bull because it just came out right and I was driving back uh on Sunday night uh back to the house with the money in the console oh gosh good luck on the other end of that conversation well no I called him he was great I called him and I said no I meant poor

him you were on a Red Bull and had 10 pay in cash driving well I called him and I said hey Pop I want to tell you uh first time ever I've got $10,500 truck and uh I wouldn't have it if you wouldn't have said stick around it goes son I want you to realize how many hours I got to spend behind

that wheel to make that kind of money yeah he said don't let Pride ever get in the way of feeding your family it's real easy in Show Business to think oh woe is me but you're there to provide for a family it also goes both ways though don't do anything and everything just to make a buck you know yeah again put yourself

in a position to win yeah and you have to have lines yeah things you won't cross things you won't do just to just to earn a dollar right no it's absolutely true it's absolutely true and I guess it's deceptive too even someone like your dad that loves you and knows a lot of the stuff that you probably had been through and how

hard you worked and stuff it's like unless you're and this goes for almost anything in life unless you're actually the one there doing the work um you don't really know how much has gone into it I see it a lot with like business with successful business owners or anybody in entertainment really anybody that does anything like you could be a Big Time

attorney or an accountant and nobody's really going to know all the work that it took yeah to really get there to be able to make that money like you don't you don't the 15 minutes yeah when you break it down like I got paid 6K for 15 minutes it sounds ridiculous but you weren't getting paid for those 15 minutes you were getting

paid for the years and years that it took to even get to that point to be able to make that money to be prepared for that moment so I don't even that's why I wouldn't feel as bad about turning down some opportunities cuz it's uh there was a lot of there was a lot of other work that went totally unpaid for right

that isn't on the bottom line you don't see it on the spreadsheet well that's why that's why I uh I'm reluctant to take corporate gigs you know they don't most of them don't appreciate the fact that you put in anything you know and uh so we just kept on upping the price on the corporate gig that's kind of the way it's happened

with every yeah everything yeah it's uh it's like it I don't I'm going to get treated as I found the same if I'm making, 1500 or if I'm making 10 times that amount or whatever it is you know whatever and uh I found that uh it's still going to be in a hotel with terrible lighting terrible sound and uh yeah I might

as well if I'm going to [expletive] myself out yeah then I might as well be a well-paid [expletive] I would agree with it the money does change it a little bit and I'm not even saying like I don't really think what I do or you know a lot of the art forms like I don't go as far as to think they're like

really changing the world or something like I don't I try to keep things in perspective uh try not to take it too serious right um kind of to what you're saying like your dad had to drive how many hours just to make that type of money it's like kind of ridiculous when you really boil it down so but there's a fine balance

cuz then you also have to respect yourself a little bit um I'm not expecting people to just gravel over me or just treat me you know like a king or something but you've probably been in the situations too where it goes the other direction where they like they literally treat you like [expletive] yeah like or like they own you I get that

at private events that's where I've had to kind of like yeah turn stuff down cuz it's like well you don't like you don't like own me for a day or two yeah well for me you know I did a gig it was well-paid gig uh at a u at a hunt hunting ranch you know one of these Exotics and uh you know

my family were all hunters and everything else and the honestly these hunting ranches some of them you know the animals are so docel because they've been handf hand fed and uh you know we were there and uh they literally I don't know if you've gone to any of these but they will pull up to all these animals and go that one's 15

15,000 that one's 25,000 that one is 30,000 shoot whichever one and I you know we're in a in a rig without a gun or anything else we're just out you know they're showing me the property and everything and I'm watching this I'm like just hit it with the damn car it's right there at least it gets it a running chance yeah it

thinks it's going to you're going to walk out and give it a carrot you know and then they're high-fiving and everything else but uh the owner's dad as soon as I got there in front of everybody uh hey you're the comedian man I love Comedians and then he proceeds to tell me the most racist joke ever like I would think that's funny

you know and I that's not really my bag it's never been my thing you know it's I've always said every time I see somebody turn their head twice to tell me a joke here is coming yeah maybe you ought to just stop don't let the Hat fool you there brother yeah racism's quiet yeah uh it's louder uh I've always said it's quiet

up north it's uh loud in the South but it exists in both yeah which is worse yeah I think up north at least you know agree at least you know because you're going to get it in both but that quiet like weird yeah that yeah that yeah hey yeah no I'm like hey bro my favorite was I was in Oklahoma uh City

and I was doing a comedy club and this was years ago and uh I was let's say dating uh the one of the cocktail waitresses there that was also she was um what a what a great idea yeah uh yeah what is it about woman with a tray uh but uh she uh she was also that's back when there was still the

Southwest Conference and she was in Playboy uh girls of the Southwest Conference wait hold on yeah Playboys yeah Playboy oh yeah I magazine so no Playboy magazine uh girl of the Southwest okay and she was half black and half white right and uh so uh but this guy walks up and he goes hey man I got a joke for you and I

go well you got to tell my girlfriend cuz she loves these kind of jok well you had already seen him look yeah I already saw I knew what it was coming then I go uh Kinsley or whatever her name was I can't remember now and I said baby you got to come hear this and he you know just dumbfounded I go see

that's the point buddy you can't tell it in front of everybody don't tell it in front of me I would agree with that so uh I that's about the only thing I don't like about uh the interaction with people is that they automatically assume that who you are because you wear a cowboy hat oh right and that's really part of the reason

why we started Cowboys who care it's actually a little weird too that cowboy culture got that connotation it gets lumped into Southern Culture pretty easily and pretty quickly but for anybody that's really traveled to the Deep South and then has been around like cowboy culture they're really not very similar they have like some similarities but it's very different this won't be popular

for me to say uh but I think that's uh now in large part has to do with uh stuff like um Yellowstone you know the similarities or the differen No the fact that uh you know all the cussing and everything else that goes on in it and all the things that are said and everything else uh I've Been Around Cowboy culture my

whole life and uh you know when you watch Yellowstone and you don't see one guy take off a hat to shake a lady's hand in the entire show or any of the uh what I what I fell in love with the fact that how my uh dad was and my uncles were and that kind of stuff that there was a sense of

honor to it and uh I know it's not popular to say but I think that Yellowstone does less for the cowboy culture and than it does just to promote a stereotype that people are already ready to buy into well they merge multiple things together because there that I guess that's the weird thing too is within Cowboy culture if we'll call it that

there's a bunch of little genres of that as well I mean you have people that Ranch for a Livin uh then you have like Rodeo Cowboys then you have cuz that's like a kind of a different culture even uh and then you like you know like I know cattle ranchers and stuff that like wouldn't want their daughter to be with like a

Rodeo Cowboy oh yeah you know what I mean uh and then you've got more of the Horse World so like horse trainers and that whole thing I will say generally speaking CU I was a I've been a horse shoer for a long time and like my you know a lot of my family members are um really my brother-in-law that whole side of

my family um and so I've been around a lot of uh like highle trainers and people who show horses and the depiction of the way this like a stereotypical horse trainer is um and there's nuances to all of this but like it's not that far off in that regard but the way like an average cattle rancher operates like no he's not flying

his Chopper in to go Buri a dead body like and then taking people to the train station that ain't happening and granted they have to dramatize it a little bit and then it kind of It kind of a little it feels a little bit like Dallas the tv show Dallas right it absolutely is yeah we were talking about the me and my

wife were talking about there's a new show now about uh something on the beach and I said they've been doing the same show forever first it was Hawaii 5 then it was uh Baywatch and now it's a new incarnation of the same stick and that's what that's all this is that's all Yellowstone is it's Dallas but now the horses are real yeah

they got like a few things right but I'm with you generally speaking I don't I don't think uh the True Values of like the average person in that culture is not being displayed well and uh you know one Cowboys or care I don't know if you know anything about it but uh that when you started it but Resistol does it now too

or something I would like to think they do it but they haven't done anything with it got and it's kind of a sore spot with me but uh it started in 2010 uh a young lady uh had cancer she was 11 years old and her mom and dad were big fans of mine asked me to put my name on a golf tournament

to raise some uh money for her and got to know her and her mom and dad then her cancer goes into remission then it came back with the Vengeance and she lost her battle with cancer in June of 2011 and uh we were invited to the visual the night before they pulled the plug on her and uh coming home uh I was

I mean I was devastated crying saw what they went through what we have with our children and stuff and uh Michelle drove home and I just started praying about it and I knew I wanted to help didn't know how and then I get put on a uh a cruise ship uh you know I was working the cruises and stuff and they actually

put me in a in a crew cabin with bunk beds and I'm pretty pissed off about it you know because I'm a tall guy that means I can't set up uhh for a week you know cuz literally the bunk is here and there's nowhere else to sit in this little bitty cabin without a window and uh so I have my hat box

and I put the Hat up there and everything else and the next day I'm just trying to figure it out and I Googled kids with cancer images kind of opened up to the universe see if I can find any sort of answer and uh and I had all these Big Bright Beautiful faces Smiles uh and then uh because of where my hat

was setting because of the bunk bed uh I could see my cowboy hat and that was the aha moment what these kids need cowboy hats what seven-year-old wants to wear a wig but what seven-year-old wouldn't want to wear a cowboy hat so I called my wife and I said I'm I'm pretty sure the Lord's telling us that we need to deliver cowboy

hats to kids with cancer and get involved in this world and uh so we started Cowboys care uh and it we gave away a little over 10,000 hats thanks to Resistol and uh I met with Stan reading who was a president at the time and now he's at American hat just a great guy but I sent him a message and I thought

you know I'll start out with Resistol and Stetson the two and they're own by the same company and I'll start with the biggest and I'll just work my way down maybe somebody at least see the marketing for their company but I think uh I can get what I want and they get what they want and uh within a day I sent a

thing to Stan and he sent me an email said hey come over to our offic in Garland if you can and we made the appointment I went over and he said you don't know this but my uh stepson uh has been in and out of Cancer Treatments uh his whole life well uh and uh the uh Warehouse is yours whatever you need

what are you going to do and I said I don't know I didn't know how to get this for it but I knew how to build a website so I built a website you know so we' already filled out all the paperwork and hired an attorney and there it's a process to become a uh a nonprofit and uh and I said I'm

going to build a website and I built a website and like two days later from that a lady sent me a deal and said hey uh I saw your post on social media and then I went to the website I've got a cancer uh a summer camp for kids with cancer in Illinois uh can you provide cowboy hats this year it's Rodeo

wow and uh I said how many you need and she said uh we got 300 kids so I called Stand at resist all and I go um I need 300 hats 400 actually to fit everybody and he said come get them so me and my wife and my daughter went over and picked them up you know weeks later and drove to Illinois

uh to a summer camp and that's how Cowboys who care started and I really uh I thought it was a couple things one uh Rodeo is still the only uh family oriented business in the entire country you know and it's an American Business as well the rodeo world and I just thought you know it's just it people can really get behind this

thing and we could really do an impact and we were going strong until the pandemic happened and then and then we couldn't get into the hospitals and then we had to Pivot so I came up with a program called uh request a hat so people literally wrote in and said hey yeah uh my kid has cancer or whatever and uh we would

send them a brand new hat straight out we did that for two or three years and I thought you know it's not going anywhere uh and I need Rich folks to talk to Rich folks cuz the one thing I grew up poor and the one thing I have found is that rich folks love to talk to Rich folks uh and they love

to talk about how not rich they are you know that was your experience they live to talk about how not rich they are yeah really well we you know we uh we only we only had to go to the you know we only went to Europe for 10 days this year you know oh they don't even know that they're being pretentious yeah

that's terrible yeah and it's that way in the you know this and the more expensive those horses get oh gosh yeah so they love that I yeah let's yeah they ho home the $120,000 for yeah that our an entry fee was you know so yeah you know what do you do as we're talking in a million dooll uh there's like a tinge

of not even a tinge there's a heavy part of it that's kind of complaining yeah it's a little bit like wait do you not even real have you looked around here for a second yeah absolutely little weird absolutely and uh but I thought I can't get it to grow and then I also had this Vision you know every Rodeo has tough enough

to wear pink right and they've been doing it now for 20 years with Wrangler and it's for breast cancer aess as a matter of fact I used to wear I used to be part of it even in standup comedy I reached out to Wrangler I said I want to be part of this program even though I'm doing standup uh and so every

Saturday I'd wear a pink shirt on stage and I would talk about this program but now this is years later with Cowboys who care and uh couple of years ago two years ago I came up this idea uh that uh the ribbon that for Pediatric cancer is gold where every Rodeo they're going for gold right so why not have a go for

gold night and for Pediatric cancer and awareness and uh research more than awareness research and help and maybe help you know a Ronald McDonald House or anything else but I also know that rich folks like to talk to Rich folks and so I need to be out of less of the equation so I approached Resistol to take over and uh um it

hasn't gone anywhere since I mean they took it over uh but yeah but just nothing's really happened nothing happens at all interesting yeah it's been and I debated on whether or not even when we were talking about this now to even go into that part of it yeah but I think it's still a great idea I think going for the gold every

Rodeo everything from high school to the junior leagues to the Senior League in Rodeo could get behind this because it is a family oriented business the part with the charity stuff that I find difficult is figuring out like where the money's actually going yeah that's uh cuz even the awareness thing at this point you know well we know we're aware yeah that's

that was my whole thing with uh the tough enough to wear pink I'm pretty sure everybody's aware of breast and can yeah and like I think pretty unanimously like nobody likes it yeah you know I don't think we're like convincing I don't think somebody's seeing the pink T-shirt it's like oh you know what not a fan of it anymore so it's like

I think we should do something about it yeah but I think that my whole thing was when they asked when I asked them to take it over was that they would uh get somebody that uh one worked for the company that knew how to grow a charity I don't have that skill I have no idea yeah two that uh that they maintain

the story of how it all started because for Ashley Miller she's really what sparked this entire thing and uh three that they that they grow it into something uniquely big you know uniquely big and it I still think there's an opportunity there you know uh if you've ever gone to a hospital and we would make these hospital visits and you could see

the smile on not only the kids' faces but also Mom and Dad yeah and the cowboy that was my whole point what I was trying to get uh with the Yellowstone is that uh that cowboy hat can actually be pretty magical you know it's not like a ball cap like what I'm wearing now you put on the cowboy hat and a lot

of these uh hats these kids had never seen a cowboy hat never we delivered to a Orthodox Jewish Hospital in the Bronx and so when we first came in you know and I had four of the Cowboys with me uh you know you got looks from people like what the hell are y'all doing here y are yall here to make fun of

us I mean cuz they had the whole thing you know the curls here and the everything and uh and most those kids had never even seen a cow except maybe in the Bronx Zoo yeah you know and then walk through there and the imagination that these kids would have with the hat and that's where I think that I would like to see

a little bit I grew up in a generation when you knew uh John Wayne was the good guy you know and I know that those people don't exist uh in most of our Lives I mean you and I have a mutual friend Andy Hoover you know he's a good guy nearly all the time most of us have Blurred Lines on what's good

and bad and we're human uh but I just thought that the cowboy hat is should be also looked at With Honor I can't really think of anything else in American culture maybe other than you know like the American Soldier but even then uh I can't think of anything that has a longer tradition that's more romanticized in American culture than like the American

Cowboy well it still exist I well I know it still exists but then it also predates even like a World War II hero right yeah like you're going like way more 1800s so I really can't think of anything else that's more romanticized and still around and then has such like it has certain values so directly attached to it typically as well just

through yeah like film and things I really can't think of anything else it's a powerful it's a powerful thing so yeah you throw a cowboy hat on a kid's head and it does it like kind of opens up a whole world of possibilities but it still seems so grounded and rooted in some really great core values yeah I think it's awesome well

it's uh it's at a point to where I got to figure out if I if I want to continue doing some maybe doing something else you know with it you know I love the idea of the going for the gold so that's great I do own the uh website now going for gold going for the gold going for the gold you own

that website I yeah own the well Sho you could probably sell that domain name and make more money than the charity would ever make you think so probably think about I mean that come dude maybe going for the going for is it the gold the gold if it was going for gold it might be freaking yeah so serious dough yeah sell it

to a gold company and just use that money for the charity you think yeah that I like the way you think yeah so it might make more I don't know but it's uh it's a big part of uh what I would like to see a little bit more of the culture embrac because these kids do need help and the families really do

need help yeah and that's the whole thing is that we were we were really uh you know 10,000 hats that's some smiles and then maybe you could also because you don't know that when a kid gets cancer like that a lot of times mom can't work or dad can't work either one of them you know because they're going back and forth to

the treatments and everything else and it's it can be pretty devastating to so is it something that you would like to just kind of take back over or well or just I mean you do it together but clearly somebody needs to spearhead it yeah I uh I know that I've decided that you know I decided that I was going to take off

2024 and uh think about it and pray about it and uh and see where it lands yeah so prayer is a big part of your life it is uh you know I grew up uh in the church uh when I was 16 17 I thought I would probably preach and uh and then by the time I was 19 knew that probably wouldn't

be happening and uh but then it's a big part of it you know I owe a lot to prayer uh and uh when people tell me that God's not real um I uh I have instance where in my worst times uh he was you know uh I don't know how much time we got have we already blown through our dude I'm down

to how are you on time I a got nothing yeah cuz I could talk to you forever yeah so I fig like probably four or five more hours probably yeah well we're good I'm going to have to have some to eat but uh I was kidding no I me too uh so uh I didn't know I had my oldest daughter till she

was uh 16 okay uh so I'll tell you the whole uh story because it's actually part of my testimony uh you're like to be clear you're like a like pretty devout Muslim uh yeah no Methodist almost the same almost the same but we can dance uh and uh so I was uh four years before this now I think you also know that

I write songs right I did know that yeah so uh and that's where I really thought my show business career would be since I was 5 years old I've been writing songs and uh poems or whatever uh but four years before all this happened uh I heard a song by Shelly Wright on the unknown called unknown and there's a line in it

that says Isaiah prayer at 1111 now this is right when I started uh standup comedy and I was about as far away from my faith as I'd ever been but I just started I heard the line and uh I started saying a prayer at 11-11 when you when you say like as far away from your faith as you've ever been what do

you mean I was divorced I was drinking all the time if I didn't have my kids I was hammered drunk most of the time uh I was running around catting doing the whole thing you know living uh a life just really for me and uh although I kept telling people I was a good dad uh because I would get my kids on

you know my son every other weekend and every Wednesday and then at one point it changed and I had him from Sunday to Thursday and because of my travel schedule uh and I told everybody it was that guy but I was also the guy that was uh out in a bar every night spending money I didn't have you know and spending money

that I could have used for all kinds of other stuff to uh maybe even finish my education or whatever you know but I was doing standup and I was doing the whole thing uh but I just started I started asking for forgiveness and thankfulness and guidance and everything else right and I was amazed on how many times I would look at a

digital clock and there would be four ones there you know so it gave me a restart to the day twice a day and I mean that first three or four years in standup you know the money's just not I went from open mic to headliner in two years that seems fast it's incredibly fast okay uh but the money you know you're still

making crap money and you're spending a lot of that on the expenses to get there and then when you are there you're spending too much of it on the bar you know on all kinds of stuff so uh so but for four years I it became a stopping point in my day when I would say a prayer so then I land blue

collar and they run a big article in the Fort Worth uh Star Telegram back when everybody read the paper in the art section big picture of me on the that front page of it even took it over at Boswell High School where I went to school you know with my old letter jacket on and the whole thing you know local guy does

good kind of story and uh a couple days later I get a call from my ex-wife that said hey uh I got a call from your daughter and uh she wants to meet you now the story with that was that there was a girl when I was 18 years old that we weren't even dating but something happens as we all know as

grown-ups and eight days later she said that she was pregnant right and uh from our perspective uh I told my dad about it is our first real conversation that we ever had my dad about real life stuff and he said you know uh let's talk to him and you know let's do a blood test let's make sure it's yours and uh and

then we'll go from there and we sat down with them and they sat down and now two grown-ups her dad and my dad were making decisions on what I'm doing at 18 you know and uh her dad threw our my parents and myself out of their house that their daughter never had to explain anything or take any sort of test or anything

else and then it just kind of went away after that so I honestly for years thought that I would get a phone call but it would be an apology hey I'm sorry I ever put you up to this because uh it literally was eight days later that she said that she was pregnant right so she was or she wasn't she was okay

she was so uh but because they wouldn't do the blood test I honestly didn't think that you know I had a child out there and then now the blue collar thing happened uh they said that they never saw the uh thing uh but needless to say I called my attorney and he's like you know I just don't want you to open yourself

up to uh you know 16 years of back child support because that can be financially devastating I said well I want to know I want to know what's going on and so we decid to do the DNA test now you don't even have a blood test now you got a DNA test right so it's not like Mory pich or anything else it's

pretty seedy and those people literally treat you like a criminal right like you're a deadbeat guy like you had to be brought in to prove that you know this well and your perspective probably was like well if it is my kid like yeah I want to be and she's been told her whole life I find out uh that I was her father

right she's been told that her whole life and now and that and I take pretty good pride and being a pretty good dad you know yeah and my son and I were pretty close and my mother's passed away by this point uh my grandmother's gone so the two people that would be there for me with me at this thing are not there

and nobody's there with me I'm absolutely alone in life right and uh the lady there is pretty Curt about the whole thing you need an initial here you need a sign here and I sign it she goes you need to date it and I said what's today's date she said 1111 whoa yeah and I literally felt the hand of God on my

shoulder it's like hey I set you up for four years so you know you're not alone sign this thing and let's see what happens and with tears in my eyes I signed the thing and dated and it came back 99.999999 eight so there's still a chance yeah so you took them to court no she and then once uh so we decided that

uh I decided I asked her if it'd be okay that we meet and the Chapel of the hospital where she was born I figure if that's where she started her life that's where we should start our life and uh now uh you know here we are so many years later and I mean it's been years later she's 38 so uh and she's

the principal at Springtown uh Middle School really and we're very close once I met her didn't even need the DNA test she is so much like me it's an amazing uh study on nurture versus nature because uh we both uh are naturally left-handed idus actually uh we both Mumble when we get tired we both laugh at the same thing she looks like

the old man you know she uh she really is she's a better version of me and I can honestly say that but yeah so when you found out though you were right in the thick of like kind of living a life that you knew it shouldn't right no when I found out uh well when the whole thing happened I tell my daughter

all the time I don't sure if she's my best work but she's my quickest uh so she uh she loves that line no but uh yeah when I was 18 yeah but I've been living on my own since I was 15 years old so uh yeah I was well no but when okay but when you had her well yeah I mean you

were young and being a goofball yeah or when you I guess made her yeah but when you found out you were already 30 right like you had yeah I was 34 years old I think 34 well into your comedy career four years into your comedy career yeah and at that time how you when did you so like you said you rededicated your

life to Christ like when did that happen uh for real for real uh quit playing around with it yeah in 2016 whoa okay all right yeah okay yeah because I was still praying and everything else and uh and I tell people all the time I tell my kids I get tired of people saying what we need to do is bring prayer back

to school prayer is always in school prayer is an individual event prayer is something that you can do no I tell my kids all the time when they say you can't pray in school that's the that's a lie you can pray anywhere that you want to agreed you know when Daniel was in the Lion's Den he prayed right he was not with

anybody yeah it was not a public dispay of prayer you know a relationship with God what a lot of people get bogged down in it's a personal relationship you know uh I've actually had people at a church once tell me that how could you don't raise your hands in the thing I said cuz my God's more of a low five kind of

God you know he's if it really is a personal relationship why do you care yeah why do you care yeah you know and I think we spend too much time in this country caring about what other people do say and think you know one of my favorite jokes I'm doing right now is that uh racism is taught in the home right I

was fortunate that I didn't grow up with racism like my mother loved literally everyone she didn't care what color you were who you slept with if you came into her house you were family she would feed you treat you warmly on the same token my dad was also racist uh not racist because he hated everyone equally he didn't care what color you

were who you slept with he didn't like you he didn't want you in the house so but when you live with that uh that it truly is on the Merit of your actions then when you've been raised that way I think that helps I think that helps I think it needs to be taught more in the house and that yes kids you

can pray at school your head close your eyes and say whatever you want to yeah I mean honestly most of the stuff that Jesus ever taught uh isn't really practiced a whole a whole lot in like popular Christian culture the idea of praying like it's actually always kind of bugged me a little bit like I didn't I didn't get saved till I

was uh 26 um and uh it's always kind of perplexed me it bugged me a lot of stuff in popular Christian culture bugs me still to this day um like even praying in public I find to be a little bit bizarre CU like what are what are we really communicating like Jesus even talked about like go do it in the Privacy home

you know close your go into your closet close the door so you're not like out like with all the other Hypocrites out praying in the streets so even like whether you're in church or you're out in public and stuff just kind of making a show of it I find to be like a little too Cavalier no I laugh because uh what drives

me insane at church you want to hear what drives me insane just start talking just say anything just anything yeah so the other day was going amen Lord and then yes Lord then I was going to walk up across the street hey yes like shut like everything's a prophecy well this is all yeah this is all popular Christian culture now yeah it

uh the church I found uh it's really a cute older Church uh it's an older congregation uh even when the choir stands up to sing several of us are in the back counting oh they're all here oh thank goodness because they're that old goodness yeah but uh it's uh the preacher there is uh is closer to what I tend to think you

know that it's a it's a very personal relationship yeah I sometimes get a little like I totally understand what you're saying I absolutely agree uh but there is like from my vantage point with what I believe um about Christianity is that he's not he's not giving anyone personal revelation that like disagrees with what's already been he's already put in the Bible and

so sometimes the personal relationship thing can start to go down a rabbit hole where it's like who are you trusting are you trusting your own thoughts and your own feelings or are you trusting the god of the Bible because he's already given us a lot of Direction and uh instruction and so you know I talked to a lot of people that you

know well the Lord told me this and it's like okay the Lord told you to divorce your wife like I get it but then we start going down this Rabbit Hole of like personal happiness and personal fulfillment and like the Bible talks about like the heart is desperately deceitful who can know it you know you can't trust yourself basically yeah for me

I think it uh I'm probably taking that I know what you're saying no it's no it's for me it's some of it has to do with the fact that uh kindness I think needs to be uh given a little bit forgiveness needs to be uh used more I mean we go into church and we'll say the Lord's Prayer and not listen to

any of the actual words in it you know what okay so that you brought that up I've always thought the Lord's Prayer was so goofy to recite I the intent behind it like totally down with I get it but I've always thought like God's kind of sitting there because the way it's presented in the Bible is Jesus says this is how you

pray like he's giving us an example of how to pray like almost like a blueprint and then he would I just like to think of him like with the disciples and he's like all right so this is how you pray and he starts saying it and they start reciting it after him our father and he's like no our father and they're like

Our Father who are in heaven he's like no I'm trying to trying to tell you this is how you do it like you don't have to say it exactly like I want to know what's in your heart like I want you to express yourself and then we just Our Father who are in heaven and then we just recite it right back to

him I've always thought it was kind of interesting yeah mild digression no it's uh there are things that ritually that's where I think that people get bogged down okay uh there was a I didn't experience but my brother uh you know we both decided to go to this church and uh I wasn't there I was on tour and the guy behind them

like the choir sang and they clapped and the guy behind them was like Hey you're not supposed to clap shut up if I feel like clapping I'm clapping how that goofy dude yeah that's what that's the Lord told me that what did he tell you that I shouldn't clap well it goes on the other side to it too because some of the

churches that I go to tend to be a little bit drier uh they're not very theatrical or animated at all and it goes the other way where some of the pastors will be like can we get a little bit more you know and it's like well you know I agree with not like muting like if somebody feels it now as a musician

do you go to do they have a band I can't stand the music thing uh and it's seems a bit ironic because I play right um but it's tough to explain because numerous people now have tried to get me to do it um and like I guess lead worship or whatever and it's always just kind of weirded me out the whole thing's

weirded me out a little bit like I wanted to be a group it's supposed to be like corporate worship like people doing it together and I don't even necessarily think there has to be music I don't think there's anything wrong with there being music but at some point when it starts to just distract from like the point you know it starts to

get a little bit weird where it's like there's a light on the lead singer and he's up there like doing his thing oh it just felt like a concert I think it's really bizarre and then I'm on the other I'm on the outside of the uh the worship um the Christian band thing like I'm on the other side of that so like

I talk to the musicians that go and play in churches and a lot of those guys aren't Christians like self admitted they're like I'm not into that stuff it's freaking weird but they're employed by churches and they play in the bands and they have green rooms for the bands and they show up you know hung over or whatever and then they go

out there and play and then they go back in the green room and make fun of the people giving the sermon which a lot of the stuff that they tell me that they hear in these churches I'm like yeah I'd be making fun of that too this is ridiculous you hear my favorite um uh joke and it's not mine I normally don't

do joke jokes but a joke yeah is that like a street joke yeah so these are not different than yeah it's different than a bit a bit is what I've written okay but a joke a joke just a regular joke these would be like my type of thing like yeah uh but uh this guy goes to heaven and uh guitar player if

you've heard it you can stop me but if not it makes better for the podcast if you just laugh at the end but uh this guy goes to heaven a guitar player I'm glad you told me the end too yeah so just so you know I'll Point At You and uh but this guy goes to heaven and uh he's a good tar

player and St Peter's like oh dude I got you down you're in the Heaven band already and you're G to you're going to love it I mean it's amazing it's got an amazing Green Room okay uh every snack every beer you want is in there uh we've got merchandise being sold for you don't have touch it's going to be amazing uh in

the band in the band oh Keith Moon on drums we got Jimmy Hendricks on League guitar we've got Elvis and frankon atra singing backup we got Mozart doing all the charts said every night it's a packed house it's the most incredible night and you're just going to enjoy it and he goes wait uh if they're singing backup who's singing Lady and he

goes Jesus got a girlfriend it's uh it's uh who is the it's yokoo it's yokoo yeah Jesus got a girlfriend yeah so uh but that's the way it felt you know so our little church we don't have a band you know and uh and I get it but there are there are times that I think that people are going to see the

messenger and not the message and that's the biggest difference for me and what is that and even what you said with the personal relationship with God that's the good and the bad you know is that personal relationship is just that how do you define that well that really becomes your definition of it you know but if we if we just try to

look I know it sounds very hokey and very 60s say but if we could just try some kindness and generosity to your neighbor love th neighbor if you could just try those two principles imagine how far this world could get it's uh it's a little bit ironic that you so you're freaking Cowboy Bill I'm like whatever into the western cowboy thing and

we would be considered like conservative traditional type people probably uh but yet some of the things that we adhere to sounds like a little bit more um like an old school like liberal in some ways there's some Live and Let Live there's like Peace Love kindness I just find it a little bit interesting that some of that stuff I think the older

that you get the more you realize you know like I go to uh my kids my grandson's uh football or baseball game and um you know one of them is 11 and the other one's eight and you see and hear the ranting on the side Wild Man all over the place and the older that you get the more you realize first of

all none of those kids have an ounce of possibility of making it to the next level yeah 0% nobody yeah so why is anybody worked up on anything that they're doing let them enjoy the game let them get through the game and but I'm always amazed the older that I get the more you just want to walk up and down and just

whisper in people's ears it don't matter yeah this don't matter yeah what you're doing with your kid yelling and Bering them and then getting them in the car and telling them that you missed a tackle and all that other stuff that's going to matter because years from now he'll be in therapy talking to somebody about how the old man didn't think that

anything that he did was right maybe there's a part of me too that I want competitiveness don't get don't get me wrong there's a there's a balance there is I know it's there is a balance but at one point when you have taken yourself uh out of the equation that it's all about you and what it looks like to the rest of

the parents that you aren't yelling I understand competitiveness you got to be competitive is it you have to train a child on Surviving and but at some point you know I coached for a long time baseball and I would tell my parents all the time listen uh here's what you're not going to yell uh lay off the high ones uh why do

you swing at that bring up your elbow I don't do it if you want to come to the practices we'll do that during practice if you want to yell any of that kind of stuff but once they're at the game they already have enough pressure on them at all let's see if they can just hit the ball yeah okay let's see if

that happens yeah and then because none of those kids can you know place a ball or anything else at 18 years old just let them swing and let them enjoy it and yeah let them if they're upset about losing that's a good trait you know you don't want to lose you know it is a competitive world but at some point you got

to find that balance and I see way too many people way out of control in those things yeah they're probably way out of control in way a bunch of other areas of their life too absolutely not that I'm the freaking Beacon of control and uh discretion but I wasn't you know when I used to coach even before my son was born uh

I got thrown out of more YMCA and that's young men's Christian Association Baseball you know what I guess I forgot that ym CA was a Christian organization it used to be yeah I think it is anymore what they what's the C now uh still Christian but I'm not sure the whitewed Christian like we're talking about for sure my mom used to my

dad would have she'd buy them those big old boxes of those uh Blow Pop whatever the lollipops and she'd make him sit there and suck on Lollipops cuz he'd get thrown out of basketball games and stuff yeah it's like he wasn't too crazy but and I've also been an Umpire just once in uh I don't know how those guys dude you kind

of have an ire Vibe you've also got the stature for it you kind of have that well I don't have no I don't have the temperament because I will you twist off I will twist off you start yelling at me about balls and Strikes and we got little league yeah I don't I don't know how to I don't have any kids but

so I mean I'm really talking out of my ass but I don't know how to develop tenacity and uh um like pushing through adversity and being tough I guess while still cultivating some tenderness and kindness and thoughtfulness I feel like that's a tough line to well I not that I've gotten it right uh but uh what I have is three kids that

are pretty level you know a lot of it has to do with the fact that you get down on their level eye to eye contact so you're not up here you're actually at eye level you know uh also talking deep you know uh in Anger uh it's tough on a kid my dad was a bully so uh did that make me tougher

not at all and the less I as a kid didn't want to be emotional because I was a I was a you know I was a writer I was an expressive kid you know I was all those kind of things I was also a drummer and all those things my dad saw me play drums twice and I played for the Texas state

Orchestra he saw me play at my brother's graduation and he saw me play at my graduation he didn't want to have anything to do with me or the drums and uh what he used to call the drums was not the most flattering either yeah you know and uh but he was a bully uh to me you know and I didn't want to

be that guy but I also know that you have to raise a child to be strong as well so there is a balance and some of that has to do with talking not and as I tell Young Fathers all the time the key to raising a good child in my humble opinion I hear this all the time if you don't stop that

I'm going to knock your teeth out oh that's weird yeah that's a weird statement well it's weird in the fact that after does it you don't knock his teeth out now you're the one that has taught that your word doesn't matter yeah right so don't draw a line you can't cross exactly so what you're saying is that parents need to well if

you say it you better do it I don't think you should I don't think you should do it I don't you don't really uh believe in the abuse uh but uh I see it all the time yeah it's just empty words empty words all the time and then you wonder why they don't do what you say yeah so if you say you're

going to take away the PlayStation for 10 days it's 10 days you know or whatever the case may be uh as a divorced dad that's the one thing that I tried to make sure that if I told uh the kids I was going to be there Thursday at 5:00 I was there Thursday at 5:00 you know do what say you're going to

do yeah and uh and regardless of if anyone else around you is doing what they say they're going to do right because it's easy to fall into the Trap of like whoa you don't especially in marriage and like as a man that's something I try to reflect on a lot is if and I'm not saying my wife doesn't follow through or anything

but personally I believe in terms of being like a leader um that requires you to do things that other people aren't willing to do and hold yourself to a standard potentially that other people are not going to hold themselves to and you need to do it regard regardless of if anyone else is going to do it yeah and that's like sounds all

great and bold to say until you're confronted with that maybe a lot even you're around people that are just not holding themselves to the same St standard and you're able to suck yourself into that and say well you know they're not doing it well I think that also falls back into our lives of Show Business um you know one of the reasons

why I've been able to make money in this business for 28 years where so many Comics uh have failed and continue to fail it's the same thing in I'm sure in your business people fall in love with the lifestyle of it and not the business part of it that the discipline of it that yeah I can't get hammered every night on stage

and expect this to continue on yeah maybe I'm having success because I have one song out that's doing well I can't tell you how many people that I opened for uh in country music that were hellbent on being a diva because they had a song out you know and they was doing well and then my old manager used to call it Miss

Mill cramps you know next time you see them and that second song hasn't hit as well they're so much more humbl they're so much more nice there's you know the nicest people that I've ever met in this business were the biggest SARS the biggest you know straight was great uh and I'm going to drop some names you know I've toured with a

lot of guys I was the opening act for George Jones for a couple of years and then uh I but I worked also with Letta Lyn and um uh Rascal Flats uh I was on the CMT tour for a while with Brad Paisley they were great uh some of the people that only had a couple hits out were absolute jerks I've definitely

observed that um the people at the highest point of the industry and this kind of goes is not even just in Showbiz what I've noticed people at the Pinnacle of whatever it is you're doing are typically some of the most humble nicest people and a lot of the people in the middle that are I guess trying to get there or something some

of them are a bit misguided typically that's probably why they haven't got there we tend to almost think as a society that you have to screw somebody or treat people terribly to get to the top and that's not what I've noticed like typically people at the you can't especially today with the internet and stuff like news travels really fast and you just

can't be treating everybody like [expletive] and screwing everybody forever and still remain maybe you can get there quick but you ain't going to stay there well the uh purist uh and I remember just blasting G Brooks when he came out but uh you know that it was pop country and the whole thing but he would also massage those fans if he had

to stay out and two and a half hours of signing autographs after the show you know he did that kind of thing mhm and he would go to a radio station that was just on the map uh barely and go in and talk to the DJ for two hours and that kind of stuff and there that goes back to what this whole

conversation started with that there is so much work that has to go into it before they ever see what actually came from it you know and uh put in that leg work and there are no shortcuts you know I'd have young Comics ask me they're like hey how are you getting booked everywhere and how are you selling tickets and everything else and

I said well listen I don't talk at night uh especially if I'm having cocktails that's my time after the show if I'm having a couple of beers and a couple of shots at tequila or whatever after the show I don't want to talk business but I'm available I get up every day by 700 7:30 even on the road you know and uh

at 12:30 I go to lunch nearly every day at about the same time so if you want to talk then I'm great and then you know you'd stay in a condo with them at the club or whatever you know cuz that's where the club would put you up you wouldn't hear from them at the morning at 12:30 roll it around you don't

hear anything and then finally you come back from lunch and they're like uh yeah scored some pot or whatever and then and then I had a girl that whatever and uh you want to talk now no now we're back into my time you once I get into 3:00 now I got to get into show mode and I'm going to start looking at

this set because I got to talk for an hour and you got to talk for 15 minutes yeah I've had to lean into the process pretty hard in the last few years uh I'm enjoying like the slow burn and the grind of it um but you see a lot of people around you that have these quick just kind of meteoric Rises out

of seemingly nowhere and I don't I don't wish for it I'm glad it didn't happen to me uh cuz the perspective you gain and then also having to really enjoy the process and like the actual thing that you're making and the work that you're putting in becomes the thing that you get the most joy and fulfillment out of rather than just the

outcome because the outcome is so fleeting and as I've gotten a little bit older and you can see people have these quick hits and these quick Rises and then the way up is easy it's that way back down that starts to get especially if you don't love the process then what are you doing Wayan Jennings said you have your whole life to

make your first album and then you got nine months to make the second yeah and that's where a lot of people fail that they put all of it in that first one all the effort all the grind all the stuff and didn't think about what happens after this point and that kind of thing and uh yeah or nowadays it can just happen

I mean you just first song you upload to Tik Tok you don't even have to have anything out and then they're scrambling to put something out what about what do you think about this uh the uh you know the Richmond and Richmond yeah that's one of those kind thing I mean he's I mean hopefully he's mentally grounded enough to be able to

handle it I don't know but you can see some pretty amateur things from the get-go like his whole ticket debacle where he got he said that's ridiculous that they're charging a hundred bucks a ticket and then he like threw the venue under the bus it's like you freaking [expletive] yeah like you charged 100K or whatever to go play that show yeah how

do you think who's pay him for that like don't charge so much it's just it's such a Detachment from how like the whole thing works and then you know if you did grind it out and you had played that venue for the last decade and you sold tickets for 10 bucks for the last decade and that venue owner kept believing in you

and said we're going to get there one day and you finally got to the point where like he was able to pay you a lot of money he was finally able to make some money on you what a freaking winwin that's the American success story but he has no perspective of that so then it's just like and then you know who knows

I don't know the guy but it sounds like there's a little part of it too where you get so far into the world of like kind of waving a flag about everything like you're some Beacon of just moral good in the American way right that you that starts to become more of what you are then you have to find a cause in

everything that you do and then meanwhile you just burn a bunch of bridges like who was under that brush fire that you just lit well there's a guy that owns a business and there's promoter like there's all sorts of people that make money too man it's not all about you and well like Steve Martin said in The Jerk It's a profit business

yeah and profits not bad it's it is the American dream we're all looking to invent the pet rock sure no matter what business you are in I mean you know that you can sell inkball told me I put out uh two specials uh a Christmas special and a regular special on Amazon Prime at the same time and ingal uh he and I

were talking about it and uh he's like Billy really got to be careful I put out uh 10 albums in 11 years and a couple of them you know I wasn't as proud of the other one and I said you know the difference between you and me Bill is that you have the hit you had uh Here's your sign and you can

tour with Here's your sign for the rest of your career and you're still going to sell 900 seats and that's still a hell of a great living 900 seats in the theater is a great living uh I'm still looking for that hit I'm still looking for whatever hit that is and that's what I mean by pet rock Even in our business you

know uh everybody in y especially the difference between your business and my business they want to hear y'all's hits you know if you ever want to get everybody to go to the restroom have the Eagles say this is off my new album oh for sure for sure you know I tell young uh record recoring artist all the time I said what I

would always say if I was uh that person is uh hey you guys want to hear the new Tim M girl song yeah it hadn't been released I got it and then play your song and then go all right that was actually my song yeah you can live by the sword and die by the sword everything that we do is subjective yeah

completely absolutely there's some objective standards of like typically this works the best people like this type of stuff the best but it's totally subjective so we can't like I try not to get mad if somebody doesn't like something or it's not presented in the way that they would like it you can trick people and like in that scenario they might like it

because it might be great but presented as one of your songs it changes the entire Dynamic it does of How It's subjectively yeah perceived yeah isn't it weird it's very weird but that's also how the Eagles got a huge career was from subjective perception yeah none of it was objective to begin with so you can't really get mad when it's not at

the end well you know in for Comics uh the question I was asked this the other day uh are the who's the funniest Comics that you see and that is such a [expletive] question because you ask Comics that typically no somebody asked me that yeah I was asked that in an interview for radio and uh because I said the most popular comics

aren't the funniest Comics a lot of times you can go to a comedy club and you can see a guy that's absolutely destroying a room but he can't sell eight tickets you know and that's all about the perspective that you're talking about show bu man it's how you make people feel yeah it suddenly it's uh who's funnier uh well it's who sells

the most tickets really is how we're judged you there are guys that are out doing Arena tours right now I don't think he's the funniest guy out there but he's selling you know 30,000 tickets yep how can you argue with that yeah and if you're doing that same type of uh art you're chasing that same thing what a rabbit hole to go

down if you start focusing on anything anybody else is doing it's like good luck just can't well that comparison that goes back to the Bible and that kind of thing but the comparing your uh yeah that's a rabbit that's something i've been guilty of my whole career I think we all have to varying degrees but you can also let yourself slip into

it too I can feel myself slide into it too much at times well it's real easy with the internet oh it's internet you pull it up and suddenly you know Heckler owns uh comic owns Heckler about cops and you see it's got 14 million views and you're like he didn't own him first of all he didn't own him just told him get

out yeah that's not owning but it's starting to get I'm I also don't want to sound like I got it all figured out like I for sure do not like I'm just I'm in the grind right now I'm in the freaking meat grinder so but I'm loving it like I'm enjoying life and it's Al just like so much perspective because it's already

just insane to me because like I've got songs that just have so like just millions and millions of uh of listens from like all over the world and I get DMS from people all over the world and like I knew no one in the industry and just had to grind to like cut a first record didn't know what I was doing I've

finally been able to like sell some songs and stuff like that like make a little bit of money and uh but just have like no clue no Guidance just you know support but just didn't know what you were doing and so if you can just step back for me I just got to step back and kind of look at the whole thing

you know out outside noise has a big effect on it too you know you're just hanging out people like man do you see so and so they're blowing up you know and just not letting that stuff it's like yeah dude I'm happy for them that's great but and they're like well what do you think you should start and it's like ah dude

I'm yeah that's great that they're doing that there's probably some takeaways I could have but uh I'm doing my thing and I'm like enjoying what I'm doing and it's all and just staying kind of putting the blinders on to a certain degree and that goes back to the process though if I didn't love writing songs and just making the music the happiest

I am is when I come up with a new song and just a Melody I know that feeling find something cool in the studio I love it and uh even my family will get a little not weird but they're always kind of a little confused um once a song comes out like if it does well or whatever or like I get a

good a good show or something and they're like well why aren't you more excited you should be more excited I'm like cuz I'm not committed to that right I'm not committed to the outcome and you can say it but until somebody sees you put it like into like really sees it happening then it kind of weirds people out a little bit because

they the only way we can think of the happiness and joy is coming from the outcome I'm like well you didn't see me high five my buddy when we came up with the melody and how excited we got when we heard that cool Shaker thing like that was when I was really enjoyed it the out cuz the outcome's fleeting it can freaking

change overnight it can blow up overnight well my uh career really the focus has changed like uh one of the things I love saying is that uh the more commas that you have after your name the less common of a life that you led right so in the obituary if it simply said William Lee Martin comedian period then as much as people

would go well that was a lot of fun for him to do with his career that's why now the focus has just adding the commas songwriter uh producer uh actor uh renaissance man yeah all these things that I want behind there so I everybody told me first of all I've been writing songs since I was uh five years old so I probably

written 1500 songs but 10 are good right uh but I couldn't get anybody in Texas to write with me even though uh so many of the Texas artists all had the attitude of hey you tell the jokes and we'll write the songs like uh the process of writing isn't writing yeah you know and that's all comedy is writing you know actually all

it is rewriting and uh so you me like editing yeah so you're always looking for the word that changes it to absolutely flips it right well in my opinion in the songw writing sessions I've been in that's the part that gets swept under the rug is editing like people just don't spend the time like is there not a word that's better than

that word right there how are we not yeah it's and it'll drive me crazy because a lot of times when you're writing a song uh sometimes you just have to go okay it is finished otherwise it becomes you never are able to put it on display sure and eventually the art has to go into the museum and that way people can look

at it and everything else so you have to eventually get to that conclusion uh but when you're writing a song I don't know if you feel like I do but uh you know my songs aren't anything that's funny that's the funniest part of it my whole life is about being standup but most standups aren't funny off stage like you would think you

know unless you're an impressionist you know then oh no those are kind of weird yeah they are weird yeah cuz then they're not really living their own life yeah so and class clowns normally don't become stand-up comedians because it's a very studied uh it's it is spending time observing other people and then commenting on that observation but with the songwriting I couldn't

get any Texas artist to write with me and then out on the ships there was a guy that started writing with me and we wrot wrote a really great tune called uh 400 horses and I love the idea that I finally saw this thing come together and then I wrote with a guy here locally uh Chris rivers and we wrote a song

called I'll stand for you uh which is when they were kneeling during the national anthem and it had nothing to do with anybody kneeling is why I stand for the national anthem right and that got I don't know uh 8 million views or something on Facebook or something and then I still couldn't get anybody you know the local artist that I knew

personally here in town to write with me they still had the attitude and then when the pandemic happened uh I couldn't go out and tell jokes and I really took it as God shaking up my little ety sketch of what I thought the plan was like What if you can't go tell jokes for the rest of your life what else what else

are you going to be what else are you going to try I gave you a whole lot of skills I gave you a whole lot of talents on other things that you're not even touching that you've been doing your whole passions that wake you up in the morning and have you and then soon as I started writing and writing some pretty decent

stuff then I that's when you get all the naysayers why you doing that nobody's going to ever going to cut songs they don't cut songs anymore you doing yeah no nobody's ever going to cut songs now they all want to be part of the writing process why are you doing something different than I would do right so but I write honestly as

goofy as it sounds or cliche or Barry Manalo as it sounds uh I write the songs uh that I want to feel passionate about I wrote a song uh that I think if I can find the right artist it's called Uh God in a bar and it's about a guy finding literally find speaking to God in a bar a guy that came

in with a Bible and he's out of place and he's got a cup of coffee and he uh he can see right through you like looking through a window and then his whole life changes because he found God in the bar and God's everywhere kind of thing and but that's the kind of stuff that uh that I really enjoy and get passionate

about and then you'll still get somebody telling you that you shouldn't pursue that so has um a society always been adverse to absolutely change multi well change but like multi-dimensional like type people not at all uh when I was growing up uh there were still the bean Crosby out there were uh I mean you list any comedian and they were also a

song and dance man uh they were an actor they were a comedian it was only in the later in the 70s that standup became its own entity okay and people like to compartmentalize anybody so you can not be this because that means I need to be something other than just who I am and there are people that love a compartmentalized life I

can't live it like my brother has worked for locked Martin for 40 years that would drive me absolutely insane it's his it's absolutely how he feels safe you know he goes to work every day at 7:30 and gets out of work at 3:45 every day so do you think that's more common I think it used to be I think now you have

to have a hustle you know he's like an obat he's a he's a unicorn he's been at a job for 40 years there's nobody I hate to be the old man in the room there's no kids keeping the same job now for more than three years you know the old joke uh the old line that every HR would ask is what do

you see yourself in five years different jobs and now the kids can go in three different jobs yeah I'll see myself in three different spots okay so do you think in terms of the Arts people like to consume things in more compartmentalized I think it's easier ways I think it's easier uh but that's also uh one of the reasons why I dropped

Cowboy bill from the name ah yeah uh people every interview that I had uh with a nickname uh of cowboy Bill the first question was are you a real cowboy and so every we never got to any of the depth of exactly where my comedy has grown to and I think it's grown quite a bit and it's grown over the last five

years I'm actually doing stuff now in my standup that uh I am so proud to do because I feel like I'm saying some real stuff you know and really getting some not gimmicky laughs but I'm getting some just honest human which is you know even professing uh my Christianity uh I get blasted quite a bit oh bro in your world that's a

weird thing to even that and what's funny is nowadays that's way more bold than trashing it but it's actually uh it's from the other Christians that I get the most Guff from um judgy oh okay cuz you don't you don't okay so a lady CU I still talk about real life and my life is not I am not a choir boy and

I've never pretended to be uh I tell people that the show is relatively clean which only means that compared to my relatives it's clean yep you know uh will I say cuss words in it not many but yeah they're going to it's part of the vacular I'm doing better than I ever did you know uh boy if that's not uh if that

doesn't sum up the Christian Life right there I'm doing better than I ever did yeah well I uh I have four new shirts that are coming out because of what the Guff that I've taken uh by Christians one says I know Jesus and you ain't him I like that one says uh I've claimed to be a Christian I've never claimed to be

Christ uh yeah and you're not like justifying necess like the whole idea is that you change you do change when you become a Christian you have a changed life but that starting point is different for everybody yeah and also uh your ability to do always the right thing it's not as easy for everybody you know what I mean I'm a work in

progress yeah you're telling me but if uh if you think I'm going to be perfect at this I don't know yeah but uh well in some people's perception of what's allowed and what's not yeah and I've always I've always thought it was weird that you would draw the line on language when the language that we speaking wasn't spoke when they wrote the

Bible so how would they know if that word was worse than that one is pretty dicey um but it's like most sins like whenever Jesus talks about Sin he a lot of times he talks about the intent like of the heart where your heart's at so you know I mean just like where he would call out all the Hypocrites and uh you

know they would be doing all the right things and saying all the right things but they were dead on the inside well this lady sent uh she just kept uh every post we would put she would say he's vulgar don't go see his show and uh oh she was going after you oh all the time and what's her name uh I don't

have it I would give it I would absolutely give it if I had it uh but my wife uh finally responded to it God L her and she said you know my husband uh he tries to bring laughter into the world and it's how he makes a living and you as a Christian keep saying this stuff and the lady quoted uh a

scripture in the Bible and it talked about being obscene right yeah but in the same scripture it also said slander don't do slander the same scripture it's like well you're not reading the whole thing you're pointing out him but what you're doing is slander your the definition of slander is that yeah also we could we could bring up the one that if

you have an issue with a with a fellow Christian you're supposed to approach him in private yeah well that's why there's one that says uh instead of judging me pray that it don't slap you is that the I need to do more merch like that not jokes but with just text yeah no I uh and Y and I mean let's face it

if you're buying a t-shirt fellas either one of you his face on a t-shirt or my face on a t-shirt which one do you think's gonna sell yours all day stick with your face all day yours yeah dude people want to punch me yeah I just want at some point you just want to gaze into his eyes don't you I have a

super punchable face yeah people think that's ridiculous until Micah I've known Micah since I was like 13 or something and a lot of people have known a good kisser dude he's uh I mean it's borderline I us I usually like when they come on to me but I usually have to be the aggressor with him so I'm not really into that but

he's just a tough cookie to crack dude a lot of people think I'm being ridiculous though when I try to tell them like when I go out to bars like how many uh like fights I have to not get into uh and it's been like that my whole life and people think I'm like full of it until they see it happen and

they're like what on Earth is happening right now why do you think that is you think she got a punchable face I think I put out like a I don't know what the vibe is yet I know I put out a Vibe um I love playing poker big poker player and poker will teach you a if you end up be getting good

it's probably because you've started develop some level of self-awareness um because on top of just learning the game and knowing what you're supposed to do learning how people perceive you and then not getting offended by how they perceive you all you do is just adapt to how they are perceiving you and their perception could change in real time so just trying to

pick up on that I didn't C any that I just kept gazing into his eyes is lovable punchable eyes you are into black dudes huh I knew it but they I don't know man so in poker I can't I just can't Bluff anybody I had to figure that out the hard way CU they'll just sit there and be like they'll just call

me down with anything are you one of these guys that watch poker uh on uh I used I used to when I was younger when I was younger really yeah really I just loved it liked it doesn't it help that they show what the cards are on everybody well yeah but you're getting to you're getting to figure out like different angles and

why they did it and stuff like that you're kind of watching it for a different reason is that really I just watch and I'm like why am I watching this there's no mystery yeah it's like uh in football if they would flash okay here's the play that's coming this one and this one well let's see how that works out well no it

is it's a puzzle it's a game it's like chess yeah it's bizarre I totally understand why somebody wouldn't like it absolutely get it no I but I'll clacky clack at a craps table I mean High action let's do it I'm into that too I uh I'm terrible with uh any sort of gambling stuff at all I really am and I always had

a policy when I worked at cinos that I wasn't going to give the money right back to the people that gave it back to mey and they always want you to you ever notice they want you to cash that check before you leave the casino oh funny they AB they'll tell you hey you can take it right over there to the uh

cage there and you can cash it I had always heard that they used to pay in cash uh sometimes yeah they still do I guess you don't really do casinos anymore well yeah I mean occasionally we still do it but no it's always in now it's all legit so they want to pay you and get a record of everything but they definitely

want you to go over that cage because they figure they can get it out some of it out of you they probably do they do they do out of me for sure what yeah if you ever noticed there's not one light that's not burning in a casino there's not one light that's not burning no clocks no windows no clocks no but I'm

telling you uh they're making money somehow because every light's burning on the inside of that joint yeah there's no doubt that they're making money see that's why poker though you're playing the man you're not playing the casino right playing the man playing the man you are a 60s kid we're going to have you in a white van soon not with that hair

not with that what decade is this hair uh no that hair is too perfect you can't have a white van and that thing oh no and go buy candy there they won't have they'll have you a restriction ordered where you can't be near a see the exact reason you're saying the exact reason you're saying I just can't help but stare into his

eyes look at his hair is the same reason you walk into a bar and a guy's just like I want to I'm just I'm going to hit him I'm going to hit I'm going to hit him so some people think you know the good-look dude might have it easier but watch out sometimes they Scrappy cuz they had to be well uh when's

the last time you got in a bar fight in a bar fight yeah um it's been a while uh in a bar fight um well I guess it would have been I mean I probably would have uh we were outside of the bar okay uh but it was a while it was a while ago it was a long time ago I've learned

how to dissipate the energy a lot and now they're getting kind of weird because like I just had one in recently in Nashville where some guys approached me I was just sitting there with my buddy and he works for me he's an engineer he's my drummer too and he was one of them that I've always told him like and because we don't

normally go out like after shows or anything like I don't really go to bars very much anymore right and I've always told him like dude I'm telling you if we go out somewhere it's just one of those deals like somebody will just come up and start just talking trash so we were sitting there watching a band and some a couple dudes stumbled

over and he the first dude just walked up to me and he goes you're just going to stand over here and be the coolest [expletive] guy in the bar and I was just sitting there watching the band holding my beer and I go and I looked at Wyatt and he goes and uh and I was like I'm just sitting here drinking a

beer dude and then his buddy you know leans over and does the little t-shirt thing and he puts his finger right there and I just stared at him and then he was like I got you I got you and I go dude y'all two y'all are funny man I was like I bet I bet a lot of people get bent out of

shape by y'all but y'all are funny and they kind of look at me weird and then the third buddy walks up and he's like dude are you Jared Morris and uh I was like Yeah man they were from Texas and then so the third buddy came over and he was actually a cop too so then he like was like oh my gosh

I love your music and then the other two were like oh yeah us too so at least I have that now but that used to just turn into probably a scrap we live in a society where everybody thinks everybody else has it easier than you have it no doubt and while we all have it easier than most of the entire world well

and uh as a Christian and uh I'm sure we got to wrap this up soon that looked like they were just switching the disc oh yeah we can yeah we're going to wrap it up when we fill up a disc you know we did it yeah it's not even take was that a that wasn't I anyways I thought we were going back

to the homosexual thing I didn't oh a disc oh okay go you yes all important so I just lost all my train of thought filling up that disc Daddy but yeah it's uh but when you think about what everybody in this world is going through uh and you run into Christians and they're like oh these are the signs that it's the end

of time one person is going to be finally right on their on their guess right yeah but uh I hate to be the bearer of good news but there are more people putting more effort in feeding uh the UN fed than there ever has been in the history of the world there is more going towards trying to keep people out of slavery

uh and poverty than there ever has been in the history of the world while we do have conflicts in the Middle East and we have other things it's actually one of the most uh less wartime than it ever has been in the history of the world when I hear people say this is all it's terrible the worst it's ever been yeah the

signs that it's the end of times even with the presidential election coming up don't you think that when 6.2 million Jews were being killed uh and that somebody might raise her and go this feels pretty this is close to the end of time no kid uh in the uh in uh during the black plague when they were literally throwing bodies out into

the street cuz there was nowhere to keep them anymore don't you think those folks were we're thinking this the end of time so my thing to people is uh it's probably uh there's such a vast less of a chance that it is the end of the world why don't why don't you worry a little bit more about what the world that you're

living in and as Christians uh trying to make that world vastly better than always being your focus on what comes after this world and that's my biggest complaint uh if I have one with where Christianity is in America is that the focus is always on the afterlife and not nearly as much on just trying to help your neighbor put a smile on

somebody's face to lend a hand to ask the old lady next to you can I mow your grass for you know knock on somebody's door and say uh here's a cup of coffee even though I don't drink coffee know what I mean so praise the Lord that's uh sorry I'm sorry that's my call back right there that's my comedy call back I

got this thing licks oh yeah you're there now that's all I needs a pretty boy telling jokes now oh no now I'm going to punch you in the face yeah I it's okay I felt it already you know metaphorically well this has been great yeah man thanks for doing it you're the man I'm it's so wild that I finally actually got to

meet you it's so funny I'm going to make you listen to God in the bar before I leave here yeah we're going to demo jail yeah demo jail that's what we call yeah we're I already told him to lock the door what's the equivalent of demo jail in comedy do people sit you down and do a bit in front of you oh

yeah no you don't get it as much with comedians you know because they but sometimes when they do it uh like Foxworthy did it to me the first time I met him and I know we were trying to wrap it up but it's a cool story first time I met him it's in Branson we're working together he flies in uh he's non

pretentious at all uh he soon as he comes up shakes My Hand firm handshake you know so some of those guys you know you do that limp wrist kind of that's how I do you really soft and uh so but he goes uh hey Bill uh I want you to see this thing in the dressing room there are all kinds of people

we're walking down the hall and he goes every time I come to here all I want is a three-piece from Kentucky Fried Chicken and some uh klaw and some mashed potatoes and uh we come around the corner and Jared they've got 60 pieces of chicken it's on him they got a vat of klaw and a bigger vat of uh and he literally

Scoops what he wants and looks at the lady and said three pieces and then with there and all these people are standing around and he goes hey Bill uh I want to I want to ask you about a bit and he does it in front of me it's about his daughters uh and his wife and all their dogs are female and uh

they're all cycling together and he finishes a bit and everybody laughs and he goes what do you think and I said I mean it's funny but can Jeff Foxworthy get away with a cycling bit right now and he's like that's what I thought too and everybody else looked at me like I was a dick cuz you weren't the Yes Man there I

was not the Yes man what he wanted at that point was a real Comics opinion of about a bit and uh and I found the longer that I stay in the business that's what we get we don't get that kind of jail I know you guys do because they're like everybody thinks they can write a song oh my gosh yeah just one

little title yeah and they're not ever that good I just I'm actually open to it if you God in a bar is pretty good God in a is pretty I get it cuz you're already unpacking it you already kind of unpacked it a little bit but yeah I mean I was cringing on the inside the whole time you were telling it yeah

it's okay it's okay maybe that's why people want to punch me maybe those statements right there uh yeah no it's uh it's weird when alcohol gets involved but you know I've I are we wrapping this up I think we are cuz he's going on a PE break again oh it's still just on this the Foxworthy one yeah well thank God my face

can't be in this anymore so uh yeah it's been a pleasure my wife's not going to want to watch it if you're not in the film anymore so let's just cut out of this thing oh my God like hell I can see him all the time well oh man I wish I had the balls to end something like that just look at

a guest and just be like well thank you see you [Music] and sing the sweet Mel [Music]